I don't know why that coin won't cross as an AU-58, but I always feel like you have two strikes against you when you send an NGC graded coin to PCGS. That's why I always cracked them out for the up grade or the the cross if that's what the customer wanted.
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@DIMEMAN said:
All I can say ...... what does it take to get an unc grade! I don't see any wear on this coin.
Light rub on cheek, and on several hair curls, with light grazing/friction in the fields. You can get by with a hair curl or two, but not a half dozen of them. And a somewhat rounded and lustrous cheek is normally needed for unc....at least on a CBH.
I really like the look of this coin. The luster is all there, there isn't anything distracting, detail is nice. I think the grade is correct but it's a 58 that I'd be happy to own.
@fivecents said:
I believe this coin is original skin.
Does anyone still think this coin was dipped long ago?
I'd give it a 1% chance it's original skin. More than likely that brownish peripheral tone is secondary toning.
I've only seen one blast white CBH (a mid-1820's PCGS MS64) that I felt had good potential to be 100% undipped and original skin. I studied that coin for like half hour to evaluate every little "pebble" in the luster. The coin was like Mt. Everest in sharpness with no high point luster breaks...it had luster on luster with that unique field luster graininess so common to fully original gems. The only trace of tone was a small rainbow crescent along the edge of the coin's obverse from 4-6 o'clock. It had the exact look of a bag toned Morgan where such crescents are normal. I'd have bought that coin except it had a lot of obverse tics on Miss Liberty...and was no 65 shot.....the seller was asking 65 money.
@fivecents said:
I believe this coin is original skin.
Does anyone still think this coin was dipped long ago?
I'd give it a 1% chance it's original skin. More than likely that brownish peripheral tone is secondary toning.
I've only seen one blast white CBH (a mid-1820's PCGS MS64) that I felt had good potential to be 100% undipped and original skin. I studied that coin for like half hour to evaluate every little "pebble" in the luster. The coin was like Mt. Everest in sharpness with no high point luster breaks...it had luster on luster with that unique field luster graininess so common to fully original gems. The only trace of tone was a small rainbow crescent along the edge of the coin's obverse from 4-6 o'clock. It had the exact look of a bag toned Morgan where such crescents are normal. I'd have bought that coin except it had a lot of obverse tics on Miss Liberty...and was no 65 shot.....the seller was asking 65 money.
Thanks RR!
I am not a CBH expert, so it is good to know its not original skin.
Coin looks a bit flashier in the OP ATS slab photos than the TV. Do people like a more flashier photo like the slab photos or a more muted photo like the TV?
@Zoins said:
Coin looks a bit flashier in the OP ATS slab photos than the TV. Do people like a more flashier photo like the slab photos or a more muted photo like the TV?
I would want the more "muted" image versus flashy...I can see more details (the good kind).
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Oh...she be flashy., the awesome type of flashy. Nicest coin I have ever owned by far.
Selling at CG at $1 NR. It will go for moon money. Should be on the Ian's site in a week or so. So you can see Tood's images when it lists.
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Wow...It's hard to believe those are the same coin. I wouldn't have given it a second look based on the ngc pic.
NCG's imaging is a big fat joke it this case. What a BS insult of an image. NGC should be ashamed and feel bad. Just look at the two images. NGC is 2nd teir (wide gap) in grading and imaging. I always 2nd guess a high dollar coin in a NGC holder. Just like I 2nd guess a high dollar raw coin. Usually there is a reason.
Reason: The coin couldn't make the grade at PCGS.
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The same.
I don't know why that coin won't cross as an AU-58, but I always feel like you have two strikes against you when you send an NGC graded coin to PCGS. That's why I always cracked them out for the up grade or the the cross if that's what the customer wanted.
I am in the 62 club.... Good luck and a lovely bust half.
Best, SH
Still waiting for results. Been almost two full months. Could be a bad sign.
Not necessarily.
Lance's images show a cleaned coin. As NGC called it a 58, that tells me that the images are off. I'd have to see the coin in hand.
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Still no Trueviews.
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I'd call that a win
Glad to know that was wrong at AU55...looking forward to the TrueView.
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Here's the Trueviews.
Awesome! Looks lovely. Congrats.
Lance.
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Thanks Lance!
Someone should post the NGC PCGS images side by side.
All I can say ...... what does it take to get an unc grade! I don't see any wear on this coin. What a beautiful coin!!!
It is beautiful
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Wow...It's hard to believe those are the same coin. I wouldn't have given it a second look based on the ngc pic.
Light rub on cheek, and on several hair curls, with light grazing/friction in the fields. You can get by with a hair curl or two, but not a half dozen of them. And a somewhat rounded and lustrous cheek is normally needed for unc....at least on a CBH.
No question AU58 from the Trueviews. Apparently NGC has a high resolution option too, but not with the coin out of the holder.
Congrats buddy!
Congrats to you.
Tom
I don't know how to explain the NGC photos. If nothing else, I now know to ignore them. I can't see what purpose they serve.
Lance.
I really like the look of this coin. The luster is all there, there isn't anything distracting, detail is nice. I think the grade is correct but it's a 58 that I'd be happy to own.
I believe this coin is original skin.
Does anyone still think this coin was dipped long ago?
Nice coin. 60
I'd give it a 1% chance it's original skin. More than likely that brownish peripheral tone is secondary toning.
I've only seen one blast white CBH (a mid-1820's PCGS MS64) that I felt had good potential to be 100% undipped and original skin. I studied that coin for like half hour to evaluate every little "pebble" in the luster. The coin was like Mt. Everest in sharpness with no high point luster breaks...it had luster on luster with that unique field luster graininess so common to fully original gems. The only trace of tone was a small rainbow crescent along the edge of the coin's obverse from 4-6 o'clock. It had the exact look of a bag toned Morgan where such crescents are normal. I'd have bought that coin except it had a lot of obverse tics on Miss Liberty...and was no 65 shot.....the seller was asking 65 money.
Thanks RR!
I am not a CBH expert, so it is good to know its not original skin.
Coin looks a bit flashier in the OP ATS slab photos than the TV. Do people like a more flashier photo like the slab photos or a more muted photo like the TV?
That has got to be one of the nicest AU58's I have seen. I'd buy AU58's that look like this all day long!
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Means a lot coming from you because you have a great eye for coins.
I would want the more "muted" image versus flashy...I can see more details (the good kind).
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Oh...she be flashy., the awesome type of flashy. Nicest coin I have ever owned by far.
Selling at CG at $1 NR. It will go for moon money. Should be on the Ian's site in a week or so. So you can see Tood's images when it lists.
She's a Beauty, a one in a million girl" The Tubes.
In my opinion it's an AU58/MS64.
NCG's imaging is a big fat joke it this case. What a BS insult of an image. NGC should be ashamed and feel bad.
NGC is 2nd teir (wide gap) in grading and imaging. I always 2nd guess a high dollar coin in a NGC holder. Just like I 2nd guess a high dollar raw coin. Usually there is a reason.
Just look at the two images.
Reason: The coin couldn't make the grade at PCGS.
No excuses for that bad of an image in or out of the holder. Bluevetcc(sp) AKA Todd has zero problems imaging NGC coins in the holder.