Is this $2 1/2 real?
jwitten
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I vote no, for several reasons (which I will say later). If you are pretty good at these, chime in:
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Does it weigh out correctly?
Latin American Collection
Maybe it's the angle chosen for the images, but I don't think it real. Those obverse die scratches in the field around the stars are bothersome to me, as well.
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NO, poor counterfeit. Put it next to one of your other Liberties and the color is probably wrong too.
Not mine, so cannot weigh it or get better pics. Trying to help out a fellow collector by telling him its fake. Others are telling him its real, so he isn't sure what to do.
Obvious fake. There's a spike coming out of the denticles at 12:30 on the obverse which is a dead giveaway and there is a blob of metal against the left side of the truncation of the bust. There are several other problems in addition to the color and texture of the surfaces being all wrong. Most counterfeit US gold coins are made far better than this one.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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I would say no. The piece has mushy details and that spike that PerryHall mentioned. By this time the mint had this design down pat, and the coins were virtually always quite sharp.
Plus all the above and I'll add what's all that junk going on in LIBERTY?
bob
Might be real... chocolate coin.
1 look and obviously counterfeit to me!
Looks like a Modern transfer die counterfeit made in the middle east/israel dating from the 1970s to 1990s (maybe even more recent).
The reverse is semi-PL. Gold coins with PL luster usually raise my radar. Nearly all real ones (99%?) tend to come frosty with swirling luster. When too many odd things add up....not a good sign.
@Koinicker said: Looks like a Modern transfer die counterfeit made in the middle east/israel dating from the 1970s to 1990s (maybe even more recent).
From what I've learned, by the late 1970's to early 1980's fakes of this low alloy (bad color) were no longer being struck. Large tool marks also had virtually disappeared from the fakes by then also. This is a crude, fatty, old, C/F.
BTW, it strikes me funny to read "modern" used with a forty-or-so year old fake.
Of course I don't know when this was made @Insider2 but it wasn't contemporary when these were circulating. So maybe as early as the 50s, maybe as late as ~2010 It's not the highest of quality transfer die counterfeits of Liberty head gold.
All I'm saying is I was around when these fakes were in the market. Counterfeiters were not able to produce anything approaching the quality of this coin in the 1950's. It is quite possible they appeared around 1968 but I doubt it. I first saw coins of this quality in the early 1970's. By 1975 the fakers had produced much better fakes.
Counterfeit.
That is one mushy , ugly coin.......certainly not a US mint product.
Fake... looks too cartoonish to me to be legit
IMO, the coin is "no good". The stars and the denticles looks funky.
It is counterfeit. But I wouldn't call it a "poor" counterfeit. It is a pretty good quality counterfeit, and it looks like it is made of good gold.
I agree with the folks who say it's no good.
I vote it is a fake
Too many signs of die tooling (spikes, blobs) andsome overall mushiness for it to be real.
I agree that it is counterfeit... all the reasons above..... also, the facial features around the mouth and chin look different... Cheers, RickO
You are correct. My enthusiasm at being able to detect this fake clouded my judgement. I guess what I should have posted is: "I think this coin is a counterfeit" and then write why I believed it was. That would eliminate where and when it was produced as it does not matter.
I have been in a few counterfeit seminars and this fake would have been detected from a foot away (because of its color alone) by the instructor or any major gold dealer at a show. The coin is gold; however, its fineness is below the standard for a genuine specimen.
I need to realize that a coin considered to be a "poor" counterfeit by David Hall and the PCGS graders, who are far above any skill I might have learned, can still be extremely deceptive for most of us.
I agree that is is not really a "poor" fake. I have seen far worse. But even the ones worse than this fool people. This one is good enough it has fooled a lot of people so far.