Pogue 1854-S Quarter Eagle
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Before the first Pogue auction, a book listed an 1854-S quarter eagle as being part of the coins to be auctioned off. We are now at the last auction and I don't see the 1854-S as part of it----anyone know what happened to it?
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they are keeping a few coins like the 54S $2.5 and the 54S $5. at least this time they won't embarrass themselves at the sale, they are just not putting them in auction
The 54-S $5 is a coin I want to own one day. Gotta start saving.
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Or just work smarter.
Or win the lotto.
Or live long enough to collect on your own life insurance policies (many policies will let you do this when you hit your 90s).
"Or win the lotto".... Now why didn't I think of that? Of course....that will allow me to buy several of the coins on my list.... I must run down to the 'stop and rob' and get a bunch of tickets - four or five should do it.... Yahoo....
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Why don't you buy an 1854-S gold dollar? It is smaller, but it's a lot cheaper and was minted at the first San Francisco Mint building during its first year of operation. Given my historical interests and lack funds for a coin project as large as an 1854-S quarter eagle, that works for me.
Another important quarter is the 1841 that they own. I would really like to see them in lot viewing and at what price they would bring.
Better plan, because saving seems pretty unlikely.
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The guy at the S-B table at Long Beach didn't even know about the Pogue 54S $5 when I asked him. He told me all the Pogue gold had been auctioned, which is consistent with the above.
The 1854-S $10 is also fairly reasonable.
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RanShadow:
If so, "The guy" should have admitted that he did not know, rather than provide inaccurate answers to questions. The Bass-Pogue 1854-S quarter eagle and the Eliasberg-Pogue 1854-S half eagle have not been offered at auction in a very long time, certainly not since the Pogues acquired them. There are also other post-1840 gold coins that have not yet been offered.
There is much information about the Pogue V sale in my current article, including material relating to evolution of the Pogue Family Coin Collection, which is not found in the auction catalogues.
The Marvelous Pogue Family Coin Collection, Part 20: Overview of the 5th Sale
The Marvelous Pogue Family Coin Collection, part 17: Importance of the 4th Sale to Collectors who Cannot Afford the Coins
analyst quit hawking your fake news. you don't know squat about what pogue has or what they are doing.
it is well known-as said by brent, this is all they are selling. he worked things out with his dad to do so.
calling stuart blay, he is yakking again!!!
I asked after those when "the guy" told me they had "all the Pogue lots" coming up for auction available for viewing with them at LB. The SF gold drew a blank stare and a redirection.
Caddyshack:
Obviously, I do know some things, More importantly, there is no "fake news" in my articles. This statement by Caddyshack is malicious and is clearly in violation of Don Willis' rules. It is curious that CoinCommando, ElmiraCoin and Caddyshack have all recently joined the forum, anonymously, and have each been making nasty remarks about me. Are these three different people?
My articles are carefully written and facts are checked. I repeat that the Bass-Pogue 1854-S quarter eagle and the Eliasberg-Pogue 1854-S half eagle remain in the Pogue Family Coin Collection and will not be in the Pogue V sale. In 2014 and 2015, it was planned for Stack's-Bowers to auction these two coins and the plans were changed. I am certain that my facts are accurate and there is nothing fake about my reporting.
Caddyshack:
Plans in the past have changed, and current plans may be changed as well. In any event, in this thread, I referred to coins that were not in the Pogue V sale. My statements were factual. I did not make any declarations as to when other Pogue Family coins would be sold. How would Caddyshack know, anyway?
Caddyshack:
I never made any remarks in my articles or on this forum regarding Brent's relations with his father. It is inappropriate for Caddyshack to make public statements about this topic.
In any event, my currrent article is an overview of the contents of the Pogue V sale. It is not about coins that are not included. I am not putting forth predictions regarding the contents of the Pogue Collection in the future. There is information in my article that is not available elsewhere, regarding the evolution of the collection.
The Marvelous Pogue Family Coin Collection, Part 20: Overview of the 5th Sale
The Marvelous Pogue Family Coin Collection, part 17: Importance of the 4th Sale to Collectors who Cannot Afford the Coins
Resurrecting this thread. I see that an 1854-S will be for sale in the upcoming Heritage 2018 April 25 - 30 CSNS US Coins Signature Auction - Chicago. It appears to the same coin in D.L. Hansen Registry set. Could he be upgrading to the Pogue coin? Interesting to follow these rarities. We will certainly know in due time as he actively maintains his set in the registry.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-quarter-eagles/quarter-eagles/1854-s-2-1-2-vf35-pcgs-secure/p/1274-57003.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
Interesting. Maybe there was a deal for the Quarter Eagle and Half Eagle. The only piece I know of that's the equal of the Pogue piece is in an NGC holder, so that wouldn't work for Hansen, unless it's been crossed.
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@Regulated - There aren't many upgrades to the one for sale at CSNS. That's definitely the David-Graves-Hansen specimen which is PCGS VF35 now, in Hansen's registry set, and was listed as NGC VF35 as recently as the Bently sale in 2014. In the rosters I've seen, it ranks 6th of 12. The higher five examples according to the write up at Heritage are:
PCGS AU50 (formerly AU53NGC, and still listed as such) ex FCC Boyd & Harry Bass... PCGS CoinFacts says their AU50 top pop is the Boyd specimen.
PCGS XF45 ex. Rio Rancho
NGC XF45 C.L. Lee family
XF45 (estimated grade) in Smithsonian
NGC VF35* last auctioned by Heritage in 2009 - probably the one you are thinking of.
Would Hansen make a horizontal move to go from a PCGS VF35 to a presumably-crossed ex NGC VF35*? I don't really see that as likely, so it's probably (1), (2) or (3). Which one does Pogue own?
They missed the NGC AU50 that is the sharpest 54-S that I've been able to identify. It's ex-Bell and has full wing and neck feather detail.
https://www.archive.org/stream/jfbellcollection1944stac#page/20/mode/2up
He either did a deal for the Pogue 54-S and its Half Eagle counterpart, or got the Lee specimen. The Bell coin isn't in a PCGS holder yet, and he doesn't buy NGC.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
Interesting... in their Roster, Heritage lists the Bell coin as "Additional Appearance A" and notes that although the Bell catalog lists it as "strictly very fine," it appears VF or even better by today's standards, which sort of jives with what you are saying. They also mention that Breen thought that the Bell coin is the Boyd-Bass coin, which they think is still possible.
So is the #2 PCGS XF45 ex. Rio Rancho Collection the Pogue example?
Bell is definitely NOT Boyd/Bass, which is Pogue (I bought it out of the Superior auction in 2004, and Pogue bought it from us within hours). CoinFacts lists the coin as if it was in a PCGS holder at the time, but my recollection was that it was NGC, although it was a long time ago. Maybe it was NGC 53 in that sale? I miss being able to remember everything.
If you look at the Bell photo linked above, you'll see that it has a lot more feather detail than either the Boyd/Bass/Pogue or Rio Rancho - the Hansen coin actually has more detail than either of these, although it has a lot of scratches and is obviously not Bell.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
It's interesting to note the color change and addition of a spot on the Hansen coin between Richmond and it's current incarnation.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
If Hanson was able to purchase the Pouge coin and upgrade on this legendary coin---I am impressed. Now that he has acquired most coins, he appears focused on quality.
It’s all speculation at this point. It will just be interesting to see the final outcome. This thread seemed like the right place to bring up the possibility.