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Real or Counterfeit 1909-S VDB Lincoln?

SmithAuctionCoSmithAuctionCo Posts: 170 ✭✭✭
edited February 15, 2017 10:01AM in U.S. Coin Forum

It is a legit 1909 cent, but has the S mintmark been added? I've compared it to the known mintmark locations, and it seems in line with one of them, but I'm not certain. Thanks for any opinions!



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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where is the VDB ? :smile:
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  • COINS MAKE CENTSCOINS MAKE CENTS Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The s looks funky to me

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2017 4:52AM

    I think that whole thing is a counterfeit. The "V.D.B." letters look to be poorly spaced and too thin. The obverse letters and rim look look like they are too high. The brown to black toning looks like it's been sprayed on.

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  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭✭

    The "s" looks mis-shapen as well

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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭

    I'm going with fake.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭



    The V in VDB appears to be substantially different. The period beside the V is close to where it should be. I don't think I have seen an S mintmark like yours. Yours has machine doubling that I haven't seen on an SVDB before.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I say fake

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  • MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That ain't even close! Fake.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks bogus to me.

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭

    s" has been added ?

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1909-S VDB has strong serifs on the S. The coin pictured by the O.P. does not.
    The 1909-S VDB normally has all periods present, i.e., V.D.B. The 1909 VDB from the Philadelphia Mint often is missing some of the periods in the VDB.
    Therefore, I vote counterfeit.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2017 5:42PM

    I am wholly unreliable here

    I only observe that the 'D' in 'GOD' appears to be sagging out of line.

    Anyone else agree?

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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On genuine coins, the top serif of mintmark is spaced well below the "toe" of both 9's. The coin presented by the OP has the top of the mintmark aligned with the "toe" of both 9's. Forgery.

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  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Here is a fake that I have had for 35 years.

  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭

    I would believe Bill - it's a fake.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin is no good.

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't believe the coin would pass. Send it in and you might get lucky with a mechanical error. :D

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the criteria delineated above, it is certainly a fake....
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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely bad

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    The reverse VDB image is inconclusive as I cannot ascertain the periods locations after the D. B.

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