I broke my golden rule and bought from him a few weeks ago (he owes me over $950, been waiting almost a year).
The name on the return address and the PayPal owner wasn't Shane; it was "Roy Romig".
what in the world possessed you to do that????? accepting all that has been posted about this member as fact(since nothing has been de-bunked yet) it isn't a stretch to say he is running a criminal enterprise to defraud people of their money. what you did is to essentially facilitate that criminal enterprise.
since you are a prior victim of him I can't even think of the proper word to describe your actions. anyone care to help??
@keets said: I broke my golden rule and bought from him a few weeks ago (he owes me over $950, been waiting almost a year).
The name on the return address and the PayPal owner wasn't Shane; it was "Roy Romig".
what in the world possessed you to do that????? accepting all that has been posted about this member as fact(since nothing has been de-bunked yet) it isn't a stretch to say he is running a criminal enterprise to defraud people of their money. what you did is to essentially facilitate that criminal enterprise.
since you are a prior victim of him I can't even think of the proper word to describe your actions. anyone care to help??
Could be wrong but I believe mach1ne is just trying to cherry pick Shane's auctions to recoup some of his lost money.
mach1ne stated on the first page : There is 0% chance he is going to 'take it off my tab'. In fact, he might just block me for asking and then I would have missed out on the $11 coin that I can turn into a $100+ profit. Taking it off my tab would literally mean he's just giving me someone else's coin, an I'm not going to pass my debt onto someone else.
@bolivarshagnasty said:
Seems like there are still a lot of raw nerves on this subject.
"anyone care to help??"
Don't think so Scooter.
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Add to that we all had a bad experience with a beloved young forum member who got way over his head the same way as Shane. It ended very badly for said forum member.
None of us want a repeat of that.
@cohodk said:
I consigned some coins to him and still haven't gotten paid nor any further contact. Unfortunately for him I live nearby and will be contacting all the local authorities. If anyone would like to piggyback on my complaint, please PM me. It's time for this to end.
@bolivarshagnasty said:
Seems like there are still a lot of raw nerves on this subject.
"anyone care to help??"
Don't think so Scooter.
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
The fact that this thread can help other members from getting ripped off tells me it should be talked about for as long as it needs to be. For me this falls under the same category as reporting fakes on eBay or eBay sellers that gas slabs. This forum is a place to protect and inform other collectors, I don't care if you were a good guy once or not. If calling out a coin consignor that rips people off is regarded as disparaging personal remarks than this forum has some issues
@cohodk said:
I consigned some coins to him and still haven't gotten paid nor any further contact. Unfortunately for him I live nearby and will be contacting all the local authorities. If anyone would like to piggyback on my complaint, please PM me. It's time for this to end.
Good luck and I hope it goes well for you, keep us posted.
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I liked Shane as much as the next guy BUT......generally speaking, anyone who willfully defrauds people (people who trusted him) again and again is NOT a good guy, imho. Not sure why the authorities were not involved a long time ago???
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@bolivarshagnasty said:
Seems like there are still a lot of raw nerves on this subject.
"anyone care to help??"
Don't think so Scooter.
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
The fact that this thread can help other members from getting ripped off tells me it should be talked about for as long as it needs to be. For me this falls under the same category as reporting fakes on eBay or eBay sellers that gas slabs. This forum is a place to protect and inform other collectors, I don't care if you were a good guy once or not. If calling out a coin consignor that rips people off is regarded as disparaging personal remarks than this forum has some issues
I was referring to keets' post asking to help him describe what mach1ne had done. Read the entire thread, it might make more sense to you.
@bolivarshagnasty said:
Seems like there are still a lot of raw nerves on this subject.
"anyone care to help??"
Don't think so Scooter.
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
The fact that this thread can help other members from getting ripped off tells me it should be talked about for as long as it needs to be. For me this falls under the same category as reporting fakes on eBay or eBay sellers that gas slabs. This forum is a place to protect and inform other collectors, I don't care if you were a good guy once or not. If calling out a coin consignor that rips people off is regarded as disparaging personal remarks than this forum has some issues
I was referring to keets' post asking to help him describe what mach1ne had done. Read the entire thread, it might make more sense to you.
Shagnasty
My apologies I see now what you was referencing and makes more sense. I had read the entire thread, I just mistook what you were referencing.
Over the years, I have dealt with several dealers and customers who get themselves into financial trouble... usually through their own fault, but sometimes stuff happens. I have always tried to be patient with those folks and didn't let it bother me too much, especially when there was good communication from them. As long as they were staying in contact and keeping me updated of their situation and their plan to get me paid up, that was acceptable to me.
But when you see stories of those who get themselves in financial trouble and then ignore those they owe, that is so much more disappointing than just the fact they owe the money.
Hope all this ultimately gets worked out for all involved.
I know that several years ago he lost his employment. He was a computer geek (as I recall) and put together an ability to very efficiently photograph colorful coins which was the cornerstone to his E-Bay side business. When he became unemployed he focused on the E-Bay activity exclusively as he was also a single parent ( as I recall ).
The guy's life was "complicated" but when he sold your consigned coins, you'd get a check in about a month because he'd need to wait to ensure the coins weren't returned. He'd send an accounting of the sale prices, fee's etc.
We even chatted about his record keeping to ensure he was properly retaining enough to pay taxes on his sales, etc. He was incorporated.
Somewhere in all that struggling to get by I suspect he was robbing Peter to Pay Paul. He still gets coins from somewhere as he still posts them on E-Bay. I wish he would have reached out to someone to prevent the pickle he's in. His debt to various posters and consignors has to be going on at least a year by now. Can't see a very bright future for him in this business going forward.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
From what's been detailed here now and before, he's chosen a poor path to be a good father by not simply being a stable provider for his kid (by risking his freedom due to potential criminal prosecution) but also for setting a poor ethical example for his kid to follow. You would pray that this would the best motivator for him to clean up his act if guilt hasn't inspired him from ripping off consignors.
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dollarafterdollar, before he went bad, shane had a really good excel list that let the consignor know how much was owed to them and he paid within a month or so. I liked his service and he was friendly and fast with communications. In fact during that time period, he was doing so well selling coins and many on here and other forums were consigning nicely toned coins to him.
Not sure how he got himself into the pickle he's in but I wish he could have just posted on the forum that he made a mistake and that he will try to get everyone their money back asap. I feel as long as he had communicated with everyone, some people wouldn't be so pissed off/angry.
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As mentioned by @mkman123 , he was an upstanding member of the community for many years, often posting online, attending shows, and having very nice toned coins. A while back there was some discussion here that the financial structure of his business situation changed in an unexpected way and things started to turn south. He still seems to be paying people back, albeit slowly. I agree it would be nice to keep the communication lanes open.
A note for Shane, tough financial business situations can happen to anyone and are not the end of the road. Communication can help as mentioned by the people on these forums. And hopefully his friends are assisting as well. Depending on his situation, he can declare bankruptcy if he has obligations he cannot meet. It's not the end of the road as Trump's companies have filed bankruptcy 6 times and he's still in business.
I hope he is finding a way to work through this situation, ideally paying everyone back. It was great when his business was going well and he was a member of the forums. Hopefully things will get better.
By the way, if he recently sold a slabbed, toned ASE for you and you aren't paid on time, please contact me and I'll see if there's anything I can do.
I'm out $2500 or so. As others have stated, prior to the issues, Shane was great, a standup guy, dare I say a friend? Then all of a sudden, no communication, no money, nothing. I reached out several times trying to establish contact out of concern when it was all coming out, his response - blocked me on Ebay. Since then, still nothing from him.
I wanted to assume the best of him, but I don't believe he has the best of intentions. Sad.
he got his mulligan(s) a long time ago, now everyone wants to hope he'll do the right thing. he has proven he won't and doesn't intend to because there are apparently plenty of suckers he can dupe with his deceased father's name now in play.
people tend to get what they deserve, so send him more coins and wait to see how it plays out for you. then add a comment to the next thread in about six months.
@abcde12345 said:
Sounds like someone who deserves a mulligan.
If it were just financial trouble and he was trying to make it right, I'd be right there with you in saying a mulligan would be appropriate.
But when you hear about people that are owed money being ignored via email/telephone and/or being blocked from communicating with him through eBay, that's quite a bit a different story!
On a different forum, there was a similar person, sold great things by the pictures, but the pictures were not of what he sold. No communication, no refunds, etc. His ebay sites were posted, people started buying, and everything they bought was filed as an SNAD, negative given, full refund, bad guy out the shipping both ways, or just abandoned the stuff.
The only remedy for scammers is legal action. It would be one thing if he admitted how he had defrauded others and made payment plans. "The Wheels of Justice turn slowly but exceedingly fine." http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1198871
I hope he starts communicating with his consigners and turns around his business soon, but in light of the discussion regarding his Dad's name, I do want to mention that in his last sale to me, he did use his own name on the shipping package. I can check the PayPal account but I normally never look at that, just the name on the package and packing list.
I didn't mean my comments to start a pile on. I was curious whether he was catching up with his consignors. It doesn't make much sense to me that he would scam anyone; I sent him $50,000 of material at a time for photography, and if he was going to scam anyone, it would have been me. I wish Shane would come forward and explain things. There is almost certainly a solution to this, even if it is setting up payment plans to repay consignors. Delayed money is better than no money at all.
@logger7 said:
The only remedy for scammers is legal action. It would be one thing if he admitted how he had defrauded others and made payment plans. "The Wheels of Justice turn slowly but exceedingly fine." http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1198871
Not necessarily. If he is repaying individuals albeit very slowly (and there were comments in older threads that made me believe that this might be the case), legal action will undermine the goal of getting everyone their money back. Even a civil suit would cost attorney's fees and add extra costs. Delayed payment, even partial payment, is better than no payment at all. It doesn't make sense to throw good money after bad. In the law, there are several individuals referred to as "turnips" as in "you can't get blood from a turnip." The fact that you obtain a judgment is no guarantee that you will ever collect, and execution of the judgment is often more complex than litigating the underlying suit. If I recall correctly, Florida laws are very liberal such that an even greater number of people are judgment proof. If by legal action, you meant police action, if he is trying to catch up (even if very slowly), you would almost certainly kill the prospect of eventual payment.
I have no sympathy for folks that defraud others, especially on a forum such as this. And whats even more bothersome is the people that still come to his defense even though clearly he has no intention of making anything right, and looks most likely will continue to screw folks with a relatives name
@cohodk said:
I consigned some coins to him and still haven't gotten paid nor any further contact. Unfortunately for him I live nearby and will be contacting all the local authorities. If anyone would like to piggyback on my complaint, please PM me. It's time for this to end.
I recently went through a six month ordeal with a "disabled veteran", a "true believer in Jesus", etc. ad nauseam who made all types of excuses that if I didn't get legal with him payment would be forthcoming in the foreseeable future. He was not reachable via phone nor did he make any payments nor did he show any other good faith measures. A law enforcement action with a warrant got the jerk's attention followed by a postal money order. When you get a judgment against a scammer you can try to get it stepped up to criminal at the court. There are many remedies at law, outside of the law, mainly wishful thinking.
@cohodk said:
I consigned some coins to him and still haven't gotten paid nor any further contact. Unfortunately for him I live nearby and will be contacting all the local authorities. If anyone would like to piggyback on my complaint, please PM me. It's time for this to end.
When I've known people that have contractual, financial disputes, they generally take the other party to court. I'm a bit surprised that this isn't mentioned as a remedy for people indicating losses over long periods of time.
Not saying this is the ideal approach here, but it seems like seems something needs to happen for the situation to change.
@jdimmick said:
I have no sympathy for folks that defraud others, especially on a forum such as this. And whats even more bothersome is the people that still come to his defense even though clearly he has no intention of making anything right, and looks most likely will continue to screw folks with a relatives name
I don't see anyone expressing sympathy, nor am I defending what has happened or Shane's actions. I am merely saying that throwing gasoline on the fire may make things worse in this case. I assume the goal is recovery and not retribution. I admit that Shane is not making it easy by going silent, but if he is working to catch up, even if slowly, it is valuable information to those who are owed money.
@logger7 said:
I recently went through a six month ordeal with a "disabled veteran", a "true believer in Jesus", etc. ad nauseam who made all types of excuses that if I didn't get legal with him payment would be forthcoming in the foreseeable future. He was not reachable via phone nor did he make any payments nor did he show any other good faith measures. A law enforcement action with a warrant got the jerk's attention followed by a postal money order. When you get a judgment against a scammer you can try to get it stepped up to criminal at the court. There are many remedies at law, outside of the law, mainly wishful thinking.
My point is that if there is a chance of voluntary payment, even a delayed partial payment _may _ be better than the alternatives. There is simply too much fraud and not enough resources for law enforcement to pursue every case even if you could prove fraud. A judgment is also worthless if you cannot enforce it. Given his financial woes, bankruptcy is also a possibility. Legally you would need to file another lawsuit (and pay attorney's fees that are not inexpensive) to contest the dischargeability of your civil judgment. Why throw good money after bad if there may be other remedies?
@jdimmick said:
I have no sympathy for folks that defraud others, especially on a forum such as this. And whats even more bothersome is the people that still come to his defense even though clearly he has no intention of making anything right, and looks most likely will continue to screw folks with a relatives name
I don't see anyone expressing sympathy, nor am I defending what has happened or Shane's actions. I am merely saying that throwing gasoline on the fire may make things worse in this case. I assume the goal is recovery and not retribution. I admit that Shane is not making it easy by going silent, but if he is working to catch up, even if slowly, it is valuable information to those who are owed money.
If he is working to catch up, I agree that it is reasonable that he explain this to his consignors and show them evidence of this, but he is not, he has no defense for his actions, period, unless he shows otherwise.
the old basic greed issue is again in the spotlight, unlucky the lure of easy money is something a few people can't resist and
well they start becoming greedy, yeah they maybe a good person but once greed takes hold it will have a very ugly ending for all involved and i have seen many good people fall victim to greed and it's never good
@abcde12345 said:
I hope he or his family don't read this thread as it is getting pretty mean.
Well if this is your first time here you probably missed the several other threads started by members who have been taken by this seller over the last year or so. The tactics the seller has used to avoid payment. I don't know him, have never met him, and have no skin in the game here other than being a member of the community. Mean? Cmon. Now we need safe spaces for people who rip people off so we don't hurt their feelings? I hope he does read it and his family does read it so that they can see what he is doing.
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I broke my golden rule and bought from him a few weeks ago (he owes me over $950, been waiting almost a year).
The name on the return address and the PayPal owner wasn't Shane; it was "Roy Romig".
what in the world possessed you to do that????? accepting all that has been posted about this member as fact(since nothing has been de-bunked yet) it isn't a stretch to say he is running a criminal enterprise to defraud people of their money. what you did is to essentially facilitate that criminal enterprise.
since you are a prior victim of him I can't even think of the proper word to describe your actions. anyone care to help??
Seems like there are still a lot of raw nerves on this subject.
"anyone care to help??"
Don't think so Scooter.
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Could be wrong but I believe mach1ne is just trying to cherry pick Shane's auctions to recoup some of his lost money.
mach1ne stated on the first page : There is 0% chance he is going to 'take it off my tab'. In fact, he might just block me for asking and then I would have missed out on the $11 coin that I can turn into a $100+ profit. Taking it off my tab would literally mean he's just giving me someone else's coin, an I'm not going to pass my debt onto someone else.
Add to that we all had a bad experience with a beloved young forum member who got way over his head the same way as Shane. It ended very badly for said forum member.
None of us want a repeat of that.
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The fact that this thread can help other members from getting ripped off tells me it should be talked about for as long as it needs to be. For me this falls under the same category as reporting fakes on eBay or eBay sellers that gas slabs. This forum is a place to protect and inform other collectors, I don't care if you were a good guy once or not. If calling out a coin consignor that rips people off is regarded as disparaging personal remarks than this forum has some issues
Good luck and I hope it goes well for you, keep us posted.
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I liked Shane as much as the next guy BUT......generally speaking, anyone who willfully defrauds people (people who trusted him) again and again is NOT a good guy, imho. Not sure why the authorities were not involved a long time ago???
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I was referring to keets' post asking to help him describe what mach1ne had done. Read the entire thread, it might make more sense to you.
Shagnasty
My apologies I see now what you was referencing and makes more sense. I had read the entire thread, I just mistook what you were referencing.
Over the years, I have dealt with several dealers and customers who get themselves into financial trouble... usually through their own fault, but sometimes stuff happens. I have always tried to be patient with those folks and didn't let it bother me too much, especially when there was good communication from them. As long as they were staying in contact and keeping me updated of their situation and their plan to get me paid up, that was acceptable to me.
But when you see stories of those who get themselves in financial trouble and then ignore those they owe, that is so much more disappointing than just the fact they owe the money.
Hope all this ultimately gets worked out for all involved.
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I know that several years ago he lost his employment. He was a computer geek (as I recall) and put together an ability to very efficiently photograph colorful coins which was the cornerstone to his E-Bay side business. When he became unemployed he focused on the E-Bay activity exclusively as he was also a single parent ( as I recall ).
The guy's life was "complicated" but when he sold your consigned coins, you'd get a check in about a month because he'd need to wait to ensure the coins weren't returned. He'd send an accounting of the sale prices, fee's etc.
We even chatted about his record keeping to ensure he was properly retaining enough to pay taxes on his sales, etc. He was incorporated.
Somewhere in all that struggling to get by I suspect he was robbing Peter to Pay Paul. He still gets coins from somewhere as he still posts them on E-Bay. I wish he would have reached out to someone to prevent the pickle he's in. His debt to various posters and consignors has to be going on at least a year by now. Can't see a very bright future for him in this business going forward.
From what's been detailed here now and before, he's chosen a poor path to be a good father by not simply being a stable provider for his kid (by risking his freedom due to potential criminal prosecution) but also for setting a poor ethical example for his kid to follow. You would pray that this would the best motivator for him to clean up his act if guilt hasn't inspired him from ripping off consignors.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
dollarafterdollar, before he went bad, shane had a really good excel list that let the consignor know how much was owed to them and he paid within a month or so. I liked his service and he was friendly and fast with communications. In fact during that time period, he was doing so well selling coins and many on here and other forums were consigning nicely toned coins to him.
Not sure how he got himself into the pickle he's in but I wish he could have just posted on the forum that he made a mistake and that he will try to get everyone their money back asap. I feel as long as he had communicated with everyone, some people wouldn't be so pissed off/angry.
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As mentioned by @mkman123 , he was an upstanding member of the community for many years, often posting online, attending shows, and having very nice toned coins. A while back there was some discussion here that the financial structure of his business situation changed in an unexpected way and things started to turn south. He still seems to be paying people back, albeit slowly. I agree it would be nice to keep the communication lanes open.
A note for Shane, tough financial business situations can happen to anyone and are not the end of the road. Communication can help as mentioned by the people on these forums. And hopefully his friends are assisting as well. Depending on his situation, he can declare bankruptcy if he has obligations he cannot meet. It's not the end of the road as Trump's companies have filed bankruptcy 6 times and he's still in business.
I hope he is finding a way to work through this situation, ideally paying everyone back. It was great when his business was going well and he was a member of the forums. Hopefully things will get better.
By the way, if he recently sold a slabbed, toned ASE for you and you aren't paid on time, please contact me and I'll see if there's anything I can do.
Does he write checks too?
Indeed he does! But I got a rubber one from him last year.
How many people are still unpaid? What are the sums that are due?
I'm out $2500 or so. As others have stated, prior to the issues, Shane was great, a standup guy, dare I say a friend? Then all of a sudden, no communication, no money, nothing. I reached out several times trying to establish contact out of concern when it was all coming out, his response - blocked me on Ebay. Since then, still nothing from him.
I wanted to assume the best of him, but I don't believe he has the best of intentions. Sad.
No pile on here, you guys are doing a great job, hope Shane posts...
Since Roy is now selling the coins, (amazingly I might add), someone should give him a buzz!
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Sounds like someone who deserves a mulligan.
Sounds like someone who deserves a mulligan.
he got his mulligan(s) a long time ago, now everyone wants to hope he'll do the right thing. he has proven he won't and doesn't intend to because there are apparently plenty of suckers he can dupe with his deceased father's name now in play.
people tend to get what they deserve, so send him more coins and wait to see how it plays out for you. then add a comment to the next thread in about six months.
some of you guys need to wake up!!!
If it were just financial trouble and he was trying to make it right, I'd be right there with you in saying a mulligan would be appropriate.
But when you hear about people that are owed money being ignored via email/telephone and/or being blocked from communicating with him through eBay, that's quite a bit a different story!
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On a different forum, there was a similar person, sold great things by the pictures, but the pictures were not of what he sold. No communication, no refunds, etc. His ebay sites were posted, people started buying, and everything they bought was filed as an SNAD, negative given, full refund, bad guy out the shipping both ways, or just abandoned the stuff.
They ran him off of ebay.
The only remedy for scammers is legal action. It would be one thing if he admitted how he had defrauded others and made payment plans. "The Wheels of Justice turn slowly but exceedingly fine." http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1198871
A kid named Karrigan and another named Biggie are victims of harassment.
I hope he starts communicating with his consigners and turns around his business soon, but in light of the discussion regarding his Dad's name, I do want to mention that in his last sale to me, he did use his own name on the shipping package. I can check the PayPal account but I normally never look at that, just the name on the package and packing list.
I didn't mean my comments to start a pile on. I was curious whether he was catching up with his consignors. It doesn't make much sense to me that he would scam anyone; I sent him $50,000 of material at a time for photography, and if he was going to scam anyone, it would have been me. I wish Shane would come forward and explain things. There is almost certainly a solution to this, even if it is setting up payment plans to repay consignors. Delayed money is better than no money at all.
Not necessarily. If he is repaying individuals albeit very slowly (and there were comments in older threads that made me believe that this might be the case), legal action will undermine the goal of getting everyone their money back. Even a civil suit would cost attorney's fees and add extra costs. Delayed payment, even partial payment, is better than no payment at all. It doesn't make sense to throw good money after bad. In the law, there are several individuals referred to as "turnips" as in "you can't get blood from a turnip." The fact that you obtain a judgment is no guarantee that you will ever collect, and execution of the judgment is often more complex than litigating the underlying suit. If I recall correctly, Florida laws are very liberal such that an even greater number of people are judgment proof. If by legal action, you meant police action, if he is trying to catch up (even if very slowly), you would almost certainly kill the prospect of eventual payment.
Cameonut: A thief who is a friend is still a thief.
I have no sympathy for folks that defraud others, especially on a forum such as this. And whats even more bothersome is the people that still come to his defense even though clearly he has no intention of making anything right, and looks most likely will continue to screw folks with a relatives name
Maybe there are some deeper problems he's having.Hooked
up with the wrong people, drugs?
I recently went through a six month ordeal with a "disabled veteran", a "true believer in Jesus", etc. ad nauseam who made all types of excuses that if I didn't get legal with him payment would be forthcoming in the foreseeable future. He was not reachable via phone nor did he make any payments nor did he show any other good faith measures. A law enforcement action with a warrant got the jerk's attention followed by a postal money order. When you get a judgment against a scammer you can try to get it stepped up to criminal at the court. There are many remedies at law, outside of the law, mainly wishful thinking.
When I've known people that have contractual, financial disputes, they generally take the other party to court. I'm a bit surprised that this isn't mentioned as a remedy for people indicating losses over long periods of time.
Not saying this is the ideal approach here, but it seems like seems something needs to happen for the situation to change.
Thanks for this reminder to update my will. I had him in there as the guy to consign my toners to...
Might explain where he's still getting some coins to sell.
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Wow!
I've seen this picture SO MANY times before too!
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I don't see anyone expressing sympathy, nor am I defending what has happened or Shane's actions. I am merely saying that throwing gasoline on the fire may make things worse in this case. I assume the goal is recovery and not retribution. I admit that Shane is not making it easy by going silent, but if he is working to catch up, even if slowly, it is valuable information to those who are owed money.
isn't this a tick or 2 over 3 strikes territory with this one???
My point is that if there is a chance of voluntary payment, even a delayed partial payment _may _ be better than the alternatives. There is simply too much fraud and not enough resources for law enforcement to pursue every case even if you could prove fraud. A judgment is also worthless if you cannot enforce it. Given his financial woes, bankruptcy is also a possibility. Legally you would need to file another lawsuit (and pay attorney's fees that are not inexpensive) to contest the dischargeability of your civil judgment. Why throw good money after bad if there may be other remedies?
From the kryptonitecomics > @cameonut2011 said:
If he is working to catch up, I agree that it is reasonable that he explain this to his consignors and show them evidence of this, but he is not, he has no defense for his actions, period, unless he shows otherwise.
Best, SH
I hope he or his family don't read this thread as it is getting pretty mean.
the old basic greed issue is again in the spotlight, unlucky the lure of easy money is something a few people can't resist and
well they start becoming greedy, yeah they maybe a good person but once greed takes hold it will have a very ugly ending for all involved and i have seen many good people fall victim to greed and it's never good
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I hope he or his family don't read this thread as it is getting pretty mean.
I hope just the opposite.
Well if this is your first time here you probably missed the several other threads started by members who have been taken by this seller over the last year or so. The tactics the seller has used to avoid payment. I don't know him, have never met him, and have no skin in the game here other than being a member of the community. Mean? Cmon. Now we need safe spaces for people who rip people off so we don't hurt their feelings? I hope he does read it and his family does read it so that they can see what he is doing.
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LOL..Don't want to offend the guy that ripped everyone off?
I'm starting to wonder if Shane is actually still running the ebay auctions and if he is still living. There is more to this than we know.