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Just picked up a modern gold toner
jwitten
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Saw this just listed on ebay and had to snag it up with the current 8% ebay bucks promo. Graded MS68 in a retro green holder! Can't wait to see it in hand.
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jwitten
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Interesting...not my glass of scotch, but still interesting.
I'm not a big fan of toned modern gold. I think that you always have to ask yourself, why is a .900 gold coin which is generally inert, exhibiting dramatic toning. Long term storage in leather, wood as an example can cause toning due to the reaction with the silver and copper in the alloy. Not quite sure what could naturally cause toning on modern gold other than improper alloying, surface contaminants which are reacting, or subjection to extreme temperatures and conditions.
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Interesting toning and 8% off. ..Picked up something with the 8%. Did not like mint issue price so I got 25% off
..Edit to remove big picture of a 2016 PCGS 69 gold standing liberty. We know what they look like.
Why do Jamestown gold coins tone more than most $5 commems?
That one has been cooked.... Cheers, RickO
Kinda the responses I was expecting here, honestly. Oh well, at least I like it!
It was slabbed early on. That's actually cool.
Nice pick up.
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I kind of like it, I do hope it hasn't been monkeyed with as ricko suggested.
How can you tell if it has? Would it have been before slabbing, and if so, would the color already be showing when they graded it? I don't think it has been, as I have seen other similar graded pieces, but oh well
PCGS used to make everyone submit coins in poly bags with in the 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 flips. PCGS figured out these poly bags could sometimes leave a very light coat of PVC on the coins. The PVC along with the sonic sealing process was some how toning some modern gold coins. The modern commem gold coins and AGEs were toning red and purple.
PCGS sent out yellow notices telling all members to stop using the poly bags.
I submitted a lot of modern gold during the poly bag days. I submitted raw coins to complete a PR and MS $5 and $10 modern comemm registry set. I ended up with a whole bunch of toned gold.
It speaks to me. Im on fire. I'm into it
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Damn. I love that beast. I would be happy to relieve you of that devil coin!
Nice score J!
Not a fan.
Speaks to me too..
I hear it screaming "Help, help, I have been molested by a sick, demented and perverted coin doctor."
99% sure it was not as not intentionally coin doctored. imo
OP's PCGS OGH coin is pre 1997. Back then everyone wanted spotless modern gold and toned modern gold was and considered weird and a distraction.
Read my above post.
It's not my thing. Gold should look like gold. I find coppery golden toning to be very attractive, but when the color wonders this far off the reservation, it's a pass for me.
Years ago a dealer told me he had a rare half eagle in an EF-40 holder that was really an AU. He set the piece to me, and when I saw it I thought that it was made of copper. It didn't look like gold at all although it more more golden in the digital photos I took of it.
toning from the slab paper label.
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That would be the NGC no line fatties, ANACS small whiteys and PCI holders. PCGS has never had an issue with their labels toning coins.
I have had a large number of slab toned AGEs go through my hands over the past ten years. Always the same orange toning.
Here's an example I found on ebay. This MS70 was likely slabbed when new:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-W-5-Burnished-American-Gold-Eagle-AGE-1-10-oz-BU-Toned-PCGS-MS70-MS-70-/132059186746?hash=item1ebf57463a:g:S6AAAOSwgQ9V1fwF
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Read me post on why. The PCGS coins toning have nothing to do with the PCGS labels.
Read my first post.This is why PCGS modern gold tones:
PCGS used to make everyone submit coins in poly bags with in the 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 flips. PCGS figured out these poly bags could sometimes leave a very light coat of PVC on the coins. The PVC along with the sonic sealing process was some how toning some modern gold coins. The modern commem gold coins and AGEs were toning red and purple.
PCGS sent out yellow notices telling all members to stop using the poly bags.
I submitted a lot of modern gold during the poly bag days. I submitted raw coins to complete a PR and MS $5 and $10 modern comemm registry set. I ended up with a whole bunch of toned gold.
PCGS sent out notices to all PCGS submisson members stating poly bags were causing toning on coins.
The AGE toning I experienced with PCGS slabs involved coins that never went into poly bags, only mylar flips - straight from the mint (in the mint capsule) to PCGS. When did PCGS end the poly bag thing? I have been submitting since 2006 and was never told to use and never did use a poly bag. Ironically I submit AGEs to NGC as well. Same packaging to NGC and never a toned AGE in an NGC slab. My experience says "label toning" for the AGEs in PGCS slabs.
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Not sure the exact date poly bags ended. Maybe pre 2000.
In your case I would bet the sonic sealing process caused the toning not the PCGS label.
Peanut oil, olive oil, almond oil, hazelnut oil, avocado oil, a mixture? Who knows?
I like toned gold, but gold doesn't oxidize. The toning would come from the metal mix.
I like that Olympic and it's pretty intense. I just wonder how it got that way?
I've seen a few other golds with this color. None in anything but pcgs holders. Here is one of my $5 AGE in PCGS holder:
Here are a few others I've seen:
Nice coins. Particularly like the Smithsonian proof.
We're finding more and more collectors of toned gold like this - when the coin is attractive.
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From the consistent look of those coins there is either there is a single environmental factor in play or a common doctoring act being used. Toned gold is really uncommon. The fact that it is becoming more common should raise eyebrows.
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I have some toned gold Eagles from the mint that went straight to pcgs for grading,never opening the box. They look just like the Eagles shown above.
Any pictures? What are the dates? I have been trying to figure out if the original mint packaging has caused some of this or what.
In my experience the toning is taking place well after the slabbing. Have yet to come across the toning on an unslabbed AGE.
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I owned 2 that had nice purple toning. They got lost in the mail on the way to a friend who was going to get them graded and trueviewed for me. That's what makes me wonder if the original mint packaging or some album helped tone some of them:
JW, your pictured 2004 AGE is the bulk bullion coin. The only mint packaging it was exposed to was the mint tube it came out of. Coin was most likely toned by the secondary market cardboard flip holding it.
What is important here is to note the affect of the paper/cardboard on coin. It is the same type toning being exhibited by some PCGS slabbed modern gold. The only paper found in these slabs is the label. Thus my theory on "label toning."
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I'm pretty sure they are 2006w. I have the 5 and 10 dollar versions. Right now I'm too lazy (and they're not right here) to photograph. I didn't think there would be any interest. Maybe when I see them again I can photograph.
Well if you ever sell I am interested, and I would love to see them when you get a chance. Thanks!
Just got it, and tried getting a few scratches out of the holder. This thing is gorgeous!
Beautiful!
It's the Olympic flame
I have never gotten any of these 8% or whatever bonus bucks. Nice to save that much on a gold purchase.
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