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When you say "very difficult," you make me want to say something like AU58. Looks super nice, though, and I'll say 65RB.
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66RB
How squared are the rims?
Latin American Collection
65 RB.
67
64RB
The surfaces look really clean, so I'm guessing 66RB.
That being said, it looks very frosty on the reverse, and a totally hammered strike on the obverse. Is this one of those crazy one-sided proofs?
I'll go with proof 66, or up or down one grade.
Lance.
64RB
Ding ding ding!!!
I would give her a MS65RB. And a real beauty at that!
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Well I was going to guess 66RD. One sided proof equals what?
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
I've never heard of a one sided proof.
Is that a one sided proof? That would be a new one for me.... Is that a pattern of sorts or a special strike etc. ? What is the proof side looks like the Obverse?
Edited to add: I googled the 1831"One Sided Proof" out of the 22 examples which N variety is this one? Very cool!
AB
65+ RB shot 66 RB
While I can agree with the grade....I think if I sent the coin in I would never receive the grade assigned. Mark in the field to the left of her nose and a bit of chatter at the base of the neck.
66RB
66RB
pr65rb
Never heard of a one-sided proof either. Cool. This looks more RB to me than BN.
I know this might be a dumb question and I know PCGS doesn't do this, but why wouldn't they give these a split obverse/reverse grade? Would seem logical to me. For example, grade the obverse PR66 BN and the reverse MS66 RB.
Jeff
They are around. I once owned an 1820 quarter that was P-L on the obverser and frosty on the reverese that was the same Browning varieity as one that said to have been made as a one sided Proof. I sold it when I upgraded the type because I believed that the color on the piece was AT. I also had no reason to believe that it was a Proof, but may have been a coin that was struck just after the Proofs were made from those dies.
My grade on the large cent is MS-66, R&B.
Grading on these coins can be inconsistent. I have one in MS-65, R&B that is much nicer than another one I have in MS-66, R&B.
I'm in the MS65+ RB group. It may be difficult to grade but it's easy on the eyes.
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I would say 65RB..... very nice coin and certainly seems like a one sided proof.... Cheers, RickO
I was at 66+RB
I grade it beautiful!
PR66BN N-10 one sided
R.I.P. Bear
This is correct
In his 1977 proof encyclopedia, Walter Breen listed pedigrees for three 1831 N-10 proofs, and adds "one other reported." Per Breen, "all are one-sided." PCGS lists a proof N-10 1831 cent as PR65 Brown with the notation "One Sided Obverse," presumably indicating that only the obverse die was prepared as a proof. In his 1988 encyclopedia, Breen defines a one-sided proof as "a coin minted by normal proofing techniques except that the reverse die remained unpolished. Obverse has mirrorlike field, reverse hasn't. Such coins occur occasionally 1817-1836 and more rarely later."
The N-10 reverse has a lump at the center bottom of the T in CENT, and high grade examples show repunching on the E in ONE. The die is shared with the plentiful N-7, but the date is wider and the first star is close to the bust. N-7 was struck before N-10, and perhaps its reverse die was simply conveniently at hand when the obverse die of N-10 was prepared and ready to install for the handful of presentation strikes. Afterward, the die pair remained in the press and struck the moderately scarce N-10 business issue.
This was taken from a Heritage Auctions description of a coin sold in the Adam Mervis Large Cent
Collection.
Coinfacts lists images of 1831 N-6 & two N-10 examples of one sided proof coins.
R.I.P. Bear
Very cool. My guess was RB though.
Tom
I would say a 66rb.
bob:)
Just my opinion. The coin is over graded as a 66. The obverse has several obverse spots that appear "worked on" - pink. The reverse has a carbon spot and what looks like a dark chem flow stain under the leaf. My rookie opinion due to corrosion spots is MS-64 but I can see a commercial 65 due to eye appeal.
Also, whomever came up with the term for a MS frosty (no mirror) coin struck with a used proof die is a marketing genius!
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Wow, I was going to guess MS66 BN
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I would have guesssed MS66 but not sure if BN or RB. I had vever heard of a one sided proof. Thanks for posting a very interesting GTG.
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