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Any guesses on whether any of these will crossover? (WITH SUBMISSION UPDATE)
jonruns
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All three are currently in NGC holders...the 1840-O and 1846-O are graded AU55...the 1850-O is graded AU58...
UPDATE:
As many correctly guessed, the 1840-O successfully crossed and is now in a PCGS AU55 holder....
The 1846-O and 1850-O crossed to PCGS but each at one grade lower...
One for three...but fortunately the most scarce of the three crossed at the same grade...and none came back in a Details holder or something...which IMHO made the investment in grading fees worthwhile...plus I find this kind of fun...
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Is that a scratch that goes across the entirety of the 1846-O obverse? It's obvious on the portrait of Ms. Liberty from just below her nostril, under her eye, above her ear and through the R of LIBERTY in her headband, but if one makes a line across the entire coin it appears that the toning between stars two and three and between stars nine and ten is disturbed in a straight line that matches the line across the portrait. I would guess that this coin would fail.
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The crossing game is not that easy on 19th century type silver and gold. I'd guess at least 2 of these won't cross and going 0 for 3 is easily possible. Don't see the 55's crossing and I wouldn't bet on the 58 either.
I do not think that either of the three will cross.
Crossover? Or crossover at grade?
I'm thinking no to the first 2 and maybe on the 3rd.
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In the original post I meant crossover at current grade...super appreciate getting thoughts from the greatest minds in the hobby on this one...given some skepticism by Roadrunner and others on crossing at same grade...and my lack of success in this area...I'm going to submit to PCGS specifying a cross with a minimum of one grade lower...honestly I could care less whether they call the coin a 58 or 55...the CAC seal is worth more to me...
Crossing is a tough game...but one that I enjoy...and as long as you don't have too much financial skin in the game...there's the thrill of victory...and the fun of having a package waiting to open when you get home...thanks again!
IMO the only one that will cross at current grade is the 1850 O. I have to agree with TomB on the 1846 O and add that my first thought was that it had been thumbed quite a bit to try to hide something. But...I think all 3 are nice coins.
The 50-O is certainly worth more as an N58 CAC than as a P55 CAC. I'd leave it as is.
I don't think the top two would cross at grade and probably wouldn't CAC at the lower grade. The first as it is processed, the second for the scratch.
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I'd recommend minimum one grade lower for the '40-O and '50-O, with the '40 having the best chance with crossing at the same grade. I'd give the '46-O more room, minimum AU-50, if getting them into PCGS holders is your primary goal. Good luck on this.
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1840-O looks AU50 shot AU53
1846 AU53
The only one that has a shot of crossing over is the 1850-O, and I don't think that it is a good one. The 1840-O is over graded by at least 5 points, and the 1846-O has edge and possible cleaning issues on the obverse.
Of course all of these statements are based on photographs. If the luster is better than it appears, then the results could be different.
I would recommend you leave them all as is.... though the '50 may holder as AU55... Cheers, RickO
I really appreciate the new opinions...very interesting the wide range of responses...shows just how subjective grading is...plus obviously the huge photographs are not like seeing the coins in person...
I'll post the results...should be fun!!! To me...sending the coins out...and the anticipation of the results...is a greater thrill that just putting them in the SDB and pulling them out to view once a year LOL....
And if you asked me for MY guess...and I've had the obvious advantage of seeing the coins in hand...
I think that my original large photos suggested problems which aren't readily apparent under a 10 or 20x loupe...and that 2 of the 3 will cross at the same grade...with the other one crossing at one grade lower...hopefully PCGS will still be in the holiday spirit!!!
Have fun with your coins!!! (stole that one from David Hall)...and Happy Holidays!!!
I would just leave them be.
But they're not mine obviously.
Good luck with your results.
No, not at grade. IMHO.
Yes but not at grade.
No
Yes but not at grade.
Just my non-professional wild opinion.
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Thanks for posting this thread. All the responses make me think that although I have collected silver coins for 15 years or so and developed a decent eye for what to look for as "messed-with" or looks to avoid, gold remains a mystery to me.
Fwiw I like the look of the 40-O but Boosibri's response and others make me think I need to stick with what I know...
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My response was obviously wrong as all three are already CAC'd. What do I know! I still don't think they would cross at grade.
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No , no and no
CAC on NGC does not mean a cross at pcgs
I like the 1840 the best followed the 1850. I would leave them as they are.
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I like the 40 and 50 best myself. From the pics I think the 40 is most likely to cross. But why cross them and not just crack them out? My sense is that PCGS requires an extra point or two to make the cross (though they'd never say so), so why add a higher bar for your coins? All 3 will grade and re-cac. The best chance at the highest grade comes from a crackout IMO.
I don't think so.
Original post updated with submission results...thanks for your input!!!