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Would YOU swap bullion for a really cool coin?

topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

Bear in mind that I am an OLD geezer and could end up with something way less "liquid" than the bullion, BUT..... would have a coin that I (for silly conservative philosophic CAUTIOUS reasoning) would PRUDENTLY (ugh) consider pure silly foolishness.

No, I won't identify the coin in consideration.

Oh yes I will.... ;)

An early bust $10... that I once had one of but swapped it.

And it would decrease my bullion positions by about 6%

Darn it. I think I'm answering my own question.

But I must be crazy.

DARN IT! :#

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2016 5:58PM

    No brainer if it was me. Bullion sure doesn't bring much satisfaction in hand.

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    ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭✭

    I think it's an over/under question. Age that is.

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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:
    No brainer if it was me. Bullion sure doesn't bring much satisfaction in hand.

    100%

    This is exactly my though.

    Give me that old gold

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    YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2016 7:59PM

    Absolutely, take the old gold.

    Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2016 6:15PM

    I've done it and never regretted it. There are potential net carrying cost and reporting advantages especially if you own your gold cheap enough.

    mark

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    GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think of bullion just like cash. I can sell bullion and go out whenever I want and get more. Can't say the same for a truely rare coin.

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 10,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You can always buy more gold but when will you get another chance at a rare coin?? I'd do it in a heartbeat!

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys aren't making this any easier. :|

    But you make sense.

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    clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wouldn't think twice about it.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin says: "Buy Me" :smiley:

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    If it's something you want, do it. I've never used bullion for a coin, but I have done it for a car I really wanted. I had less into what I traded, than what the car's asking price was. So I , essentially, paid considerably less for the car. Have never regretted it.

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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Gazes said:
    I think of bullion just like cash. I can sell bullion and go out whenever I want and get more. Can't say the same for a truely rare coin.

    This

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You only live once and it's a mere 6% of his gold holdings!

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    skier07skier07 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With interest rates rising gold may drop further in price. Now might be a good time to pull trigger. Plus stock market with Trump heading into office might go higher which might help coin market.

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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have done it before and will do it again given the opportunity.

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    KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You can't exactly walk into a B & M to buy that coin.

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    MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,571 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have bullion that are coins, just ask Dimeman. It's a win-win.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd do that swap

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An early bust $10... would decrease my bullion positions by about 6%

    If I could afford 17 of them, yes, I'd get one.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NO BRAINER!!!! Spend all that bullion on COINS!!

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My dad use to tell me that it''s my decision to make and mine to live with.
    So, my coin brother, make the one you can live with ;)

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    StorkStork Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Been there, done that. I can/have always buy more bullion, but the uber cool coins I've gotten are now safe in my SDB.

    Maybe not as liquid but still have the other 94% or so of the original bullion position for those bullion emergencies whatever they may be.


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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you have already made the decision....just looking for support...and you sure got plenty of it here.
    Go for it...... Cheers, RickO

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Chalk up another for trade that bullion in!

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    DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In a NY minute.

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    PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭

    What's the goal of the $10, "investment" or "collectible"?
    Ask yourself why you own bullion in the first place.
    RE: ...way less "liquid" than the bullion...
    yes, and ... terrible spreads...

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    If you wanted a different answer, you should have posted the question in the precious metals forum.

    :D:D:D

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PQueue said:
    What's the goal of the $10, "investment" or "collectible"?
    Ask yourself why you own bullion in the first place.
    RE: ...way less "liquid" than the bullion...
    yes, and ... terrible spreads...

    Yep. A quandary... sorta... I know I can "afford" to do it either cash purchase or swap.

    My (OUR when my wife was alive) "plan" was to amass bullion at every chance and then drop it off piecemeal ....AS NEEDED.... in our old age.

    Well, ...I... have made it to "old age" but she didn't.

    BUT.... the old ..plan.. still nags and while I don't _ expect _to need it before I go to the smelter, it's still a consideration and my "collector" of my younger years is beating up on my "sense" :# of my dotage.

    Still thinking.

    However you guys' BIAS is having an effect.

    ;)

    Maybe I better hie off to the Precious Metals forum. B)

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    bronzematbronzemat Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of course, actually did it recently to get a new computer and a few ancients & Medievals high on my want list.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely would. And have. And would again.
    Lance.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you want it, go for it. Bullion is just yellow and white metal. Coins have character and offer something of interest.

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    coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely. I have done it and with no regrets.

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2016 1:11PM

    Let me help. Using PQueue's response as a template:

    What's the goal of the $10, "investment" or "collectible"?

    Your answer - "collectible"

    Ask yourself why you own bullion in the first place.

    Your answer - "investment, hard asset, etc"

    RE: ...way less "liquid" than the bullion...

    Your answer - "potential loss if liquidity becomes an issue"

    yes, and ... terrible spreads...

    Your answer - "potential loss if resale becomes an issue"

    So, assuming that you are more likely to take a potential loss than not, you will recoup at least 1/2 of the 6% if a fire sale becomes necessary.

    The coin might be worth 3% of your bullion holdings in terms of enjoyment.

    I've collected Large Cents and paid for some of them by selling bullion. At this juncture, I'm contemplating going the other direction but I still enjoy the Large Cents too.

    You can go in either direction and it won't ruin you. Bullion could vary by 3% as well, in fact - it has.

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    COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2016 2:01PM

    Old gold is cool. Bullion is boring.

    Do the swap.

    OTOH, I believe bullion prices are near a mid-term bottom. So, would you regret the swap if bullion rises over 20% in the months after Trump takes office?

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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭

    Somebody offered me some gold bullion for a PCGS MS67 50 Peso restrike gold coin, but they never followed up.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Only 6%? I'd do it! It it took all of my bullion, I might not.

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't ever plan on wasting coin money on bullion....just can't see it.

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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Already have, many times with no regrets

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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @COCollector said:
    Old gold is cool. Bullion is boring.

    Do the swap.

    OTOH, I believe bullion prices are near a mid-term bottom. So, would you regret the swap if bullion rises over 20% in the months after Trump takes office?

    Most likely. Therein lies the rub.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the majority. Throw caution to the wind and enjoy a real coin. You've earned it!

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 9,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No

    Investor
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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    post pix when you get it ok? :)

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    NotSureNotSure Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭

    Absolutely! Thanks to 'thebigeng', I've just completed a few trades, though it's not what most of you would consider RARE, it's allowed me to grab a few really cool coins that normally wouldn't have been on my radar at all....so, THANKS Mark!!

    I'll come up with something.
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    StorkStork Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One other thing to> @topstuf said:

    @COCollector said:
    Old gold is cool. Bullion is boring.

    Do the swap.

    OTOH, I believe bullion prices are near a mid-term bottom. So, would you regret the swap if bullion rises over 20% in the months after Trump takes office?

    Most likely. Therein lies the rub.

    Well, if you remember your original 'cost basis' in the specific piece(s) of bullion up for trade, and it's low...then use that price in your mind as what you are 'really paying'. Or, if you only have a vague notion of your average all-in-price-per ounce. It's a mind trick, but a worthy one :smiley:

    I once traded an ounce of bullion I bought for a small multiple of melt when prices were relatively low. By the time I traded it gold rose to about 1.3x from where I bought it.

    But that particular bullion became 'collectible'. Missed the peak for the type (it was in an SDB while I was overseas), but still managed to use it in a trade where the coin I got cost about 4X what I paid for the original bullion...even though I swapped one ounce for about 1/2 an ounce. My hoard literally shrank by a half ounce, but my numismatic joy increased, coincidentally, 4X.

    Eventually I replaced that missing bullion 1/2 ounce at whatever price gold was going for, and didn't give it a second thought. My numismatic mind tricks allowed me to divorce all the activities from each other at that point.

    Besides, gold may sink some more before you replace the missing stack ounce(s)...


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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly! Right now, I have 2 LBS. of Silver (Bullion) waiting for it to climb. Sure I would replace for a coin/s. but in saying that It must be the right coin. Also, It would definitely have to be slabbed by our host. :)

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    VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Done it many times but ~$2000 was the max trade. Sounds like you're a holding a good chunk of bullion if 6% of it will get you an early bust $10. I'd certainly do it for the right coin.

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