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Two fake Morgans in Fake PCGS slabs
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eBay 172434225835, 172434230429.
The 1891-S is especially bad, laughable that someone could view this coin as a 66.
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mannie gray
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Someone got some great deals relative to PCGS Price Guide!
It would appear they are not fake and someone got great deals.... interesting.... Cheers, RickO
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thanks for posting.
just from the small images you posted above, i could all but guarantee they were fakes. the colors and way they were imaged is a somewhat unfortunate and familiar sight, so i'm willing to bet this seller has been at this a while and/or knows someone that has, most likely with multiple accounts and/or or perhaps is using images that have been used before.
those are some pretty sorry counterfeits.
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When I said they appear to be not fakes, I was referring to the prior post showing the certs....If, as alleged, they are fakes (and certainly have the appearance), the seller has gone to great lengths with the scam.... Cheers, RickO
Someone that was bidding must know something is up. Pcgs price guide says 4000 and one went for 1/10 of that and the other even less. If the seller went to.alot of work to do this I bet he's not to happy with the price results
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Well I hope who ever bought them has second thoughts and does not pay if indeed they bought them in good faith. Interesting twist, including the cert information in the auction, I have not seem that before. That being said, anyone with even a basic knowledge of Morgans and Morgan MS grades should be able to identify the '1891-S' as a fake and very improperly graded...heck you can even see scratch marks on the coin!
Again, I hope for the best for the buyer! Please don't let it be someones Christmas present!
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Very poor quality counterfeits. The label looks off, as well, although I can't see anything else inherently wrong with the slab. While I'm not truly surprised, it's still disappointing that people actually bid on something like this.
Shouldn't have fooled anyone paying attention.
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PCGS uses a "Interleave 2 of 5" format for it's barcodes. The barcodes on the attached listings do not appear to be "Interleave 2 of 5".
What I get to look forward to is people coming to my table using these as a basis to try and talk down my prices. Yes, it has happened.
clearly fake and counterfeit
The worst part about eBay letting these slip through the cracks is that the buyers may well know what they are, and they could be players in perpetuating the scam. They may not reappear on eBay from a new and different seller, but they are still dangerous in the wrong hands.
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I contacted the seller through eBay and told him they were counterfeit coins.
No response.
Both are horrible fakes, but the 1891-S is really bad...look at the rims, especially at 7:00, horrible star detail, lettering etc. is all "off".Even if it were real, anyone who thinks this coin would be MS66 is out of their mind.
The seller had to know what was up. Who would sell a $4,000 coin for $200?
Luckily, it looks like not many savvy buyers were fooled or the bids would have been higher.
I also reported these; I guess since eBay saw they were "PCGS" they assumed they were good and I was a lunatic.
Maybe PCGS should step up.
I hate China. Did I say I hate China. Trump and PCGS better do something or our hobby will die when this is on the CBS nightly news.
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Agree with the group, those two are terrible fakes. The people that won these auctions are going to be PO'd when they find out their steal of a deal is actually on them.
I hate their lack of honesty and ethics. I think that we should boycott the Panda coins until the Chinese Government addresses the counterfeit collector coin issue.
The point should be that they are "terrible fakes" ...... to experienced coin collectors here.........not to the general public, who bought them.
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The 91s was purchased by a poster from the Coin Collector family forum.. He thought he going to rip the seller.. a fool born every day ....The buyer said he was returning coin back to seller for a refund
Got to say ....PCGS Forum members are sharper tools
@bestday do you have a link to that thread on Coin Collector family forum?
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=275409
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Thanks, @StrikeOutXXX. I feel bad that he was duped, but come on, some common sense couldve helped him here.
Wrong thread
I would STRONGLY recommend that people use the Cert Verification app to scan the barcode on the holder of coins such as these that appear too good to be true. Most fake coins in fake holders have invalid barcodes.
I would STRONGLY recommend that people use the Cert Verification app to scan the barcode on the holder of coins such as these that appear too good to be true. Most fake coins in fake holders have invalid barcodes.
NOT ALWAYS...IT IS NOT AT ALL FAIL PROOF. Counterfeiters know this.
Best thing is to know your coins.
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Sure, however, in this case it would have helped. It's a starting point that should not be dismissed. Nothing is perfect but it is foolish to not use the tools available to you to minimize your chance of getting taken advantage of.
The title of this thread is a bit misleading. It gives the impression that the OP is saying that these are fake coins that were legitimately encapsulated by PCGS - not fake coins in fake PCGS slabs. I believe a correction is in order.
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Yes, you're right. I edited title. That wasn't the impression I wanted to convey.
Did they get this guy yet?
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Interesting. I scanned both of the barcodes using the Coinfacts app and both come up as 1893-S Morgans in PCGS 64. So this is the first time that I've seen fake PCGS holders that actually have a barcode that isn't jiberish. Scary.
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