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  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A nice one to grab when you see it. Congrats.


  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @renman95 said:
    Welcome burlguy. Awesome first post.

    Between you and me, we own 28% of the market ....

    for this year. ;-)

    Nice.... I see you have a variation with rounded edges. Would you like me to adopt it? Let me know what you need for it.

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burlguy said:

    @renman95 said:
    Welcome burlguy. Awesome first post.

    Between you and me, we own 28% of the market ....

    for this year. ;-)

    Nice.... I see you have a variation with rounded edges. Would you like me to adopt it? Let me know what you need for it.

    Interesting. Your 'slug' looks like it has a wire edge. Mine looks like it was rounded, as you say. Geez, I hope the weight is true. I wonder if DC knows how many of each he made?

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What can I say other than WELCOME @burlguy ..... although your slug is the focal point of my interest :)
    Good pick up!

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    Why not get a REAL coin?

    Oh LQQK! The OFR built a wall, no entry without proper ID. Sad for youse. ;-)

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @renman95 said:

    Oh LQQK! The OFR built a wall, no entry without proper ID. Sad for youse. ;-)

    The OFR .....IS....a wall.

  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @renman95 said:

    @burlguy said:

    @renman95 said:
    Welcome burlguy. Awesome first post.

    Between you and me, we own 28% of the market ....

    for this year. ;-)

    Nice.... I see you have a variation with rounded edges. Would you like me to adopt it? Let me know what you need for it.

    Interesting. Your 'slug' looks like it has a wire edge. Mine looks like it was rounded, as you say. Geez, I hope the weight is true. I wonder if DC knows how many of each he made?

    The "rounded edges" are due to slightly less striking force than the "wire edge". Both are fully struck in the centers and out to the rim. Striking pure gold is tricky. Just a little bit more striking force and all of the sudden you have a high "finned" wire edge (which I try to avoid).

    Anyway, I think the rounded edge was struck first and then the wire edge a little later. I don't know the totals, but probably 3 or 4 of each (7 total).

    Very happy with my wire edge variety.... Any chance we could see you do a strike of the $100 union?

    I have the 2005 Smithsonian issue 5oz with the "$100 Dollars" reverse. Which they promptly removed from any future strikes. Something having to do with it being a mint pattern?

    I wish the back of the 5oz round had a more creative approach than the styling they used.

    They got the front of the round correct minus the volcanoes erupting. They dropped the ball with the back of the coin. If they had just used the next page in Morgans sketch book they would have seen the flying eagle he drew in for the reverse. It was framed in by the round outline of the Obverse that had printed onto the next page from rubbing.....

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burlguy said:

    Very happy with my wire edge variety.... Any chance we could see you do a strike of the $100 union?

    I have the 2005 Smithsonian issue 5oz with the "$100 Dollars" reverse. Which they promptly removed from any future strikes. Something having to do with it being a mint pattern?

    I wish the back of the 5oz round had a more creative approach than the styling they used.

    They got the front of the round correct minus the volcanoes erupting. They dropped the ball with the back of the coin. If they had just used the next page in Morgans sketch book they would have seen the flying eagle he drew in for the reverse. It was framed in by the round outline of the Obverse that had printed onto the next page from rubbing.....

    Was the reverse for the Smithsonian $100 Union coin completely made up for that issue (I think it was) ?
    Can you post a picture of Morgan's reverse sketch ?

  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @burlguy said:

    Very happy with my wire edge variety.... Any chance we could see you do a strike of the $100 union?

    I have the 2005 Smithsonian issue 5oz with the "$100 Dollars" reverse. Which they promptly removed from any future strikes. Something having to do with it being a mint pattern?

    I wish the back of the 5oz round had a more creative approach than the styling they used.

    They got the front of the round correct minus the volcanoes erupting. They dropped the ball with the back of the coin. If they had just used the next page in Morgans sketch book they would have seen the flying eagle he drew in for the reverse. It was framed in by the round outline of the Obverse that had printed onto the next page from rubbing.....

    Was the reverse for the Smithsonian $100 Union coin completely made up for that issue (I think it was) ?
    Can you post a picture of Morgan's reverse sketch ?

    Here is the front of the $100 union and the reverse. It looks like Morgan was choosing a design very similar to the Morgan Dollar but with a more majestic eagle. The Smithsonian used a design that is very similar to one that he had planned for the trade dollar.

    A couple pages later in the sketch book Morgan tried and succeeded in refining his Eagle wing and Talon.

    Here is a couple of pages of his sketch book showing him working through his design process. It looks as if he was still contemplating how the back should look in the later pages of his sketch book.




  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder how much the Smithsonian was behind the first issue vs. The New York Mint. The N.Y. Mint was mentioned in all the early ads as the producer of these.

  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow - is this something recently exposed? The eagle still can be turkey-like but still very cool!!

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  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    I wonder how much the Smithsonian was behind the first issue vs. The New York Mint. The N.Y. Mint was mentioned in all the early ads as the producer of these.

    Modern Coin Mart bought out the New York Mint but the articles for the strike are still on their website. The Smithsonian may have allowed high detail scans of the sketch book but they obviously did not strike the $100 union.

  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @Akbeez said:
    Wow - is this something recently exposed? The eagle still can be turkey-like but still very cool!!

    The sketch book and the $100 Union design was lost to time but rediscovered in early 2000-2005, I have read 2003 somewhere. Certainly earlier than the Govmint articles state as mine was graded by NGC in 2005 and adds from 2005 mention the sketch book being found.

    I saw the design and the 5 ounces of gold in a proposed currency and had to have one..... If you find a 5 ounce gold $100 union, make sure you get the 2005 issue as they only made 300 of them. It is also the only year the 5 ounce had the $100 Dollars on the back of the "coin". I got lucky and bought mine sight unseen just hoping I got the first year issue.

    Its likely that the gold price run up caused many of them to be sent in to refiners, would not surprise me to hear that less than 100 remain. Just like the Monaco Humbert Commemorative, 1000 struck in 2005 but 40 sent back to Monaco to be smelted and countless melted as bullion.

    Govmint has contacted me about buying my $100 Union and is very interested in removing it from market. I dont know why the enthusiastic interest from them? Perhaps a government agency demanded removal?

    Obviously a Dan Carr strike would be more limited and have his artistic touches added to the reverse and would be true to form on the obverse. The New York Mint didnt even put the paddle wheel in place correctly.

    Now I need to start saving again.... Mr Carr, please dont strike one for at least a couple of months, my piggy bank is low.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMO that is a butt-ugly design on both the eagle and Ms. Liberty....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    IMO that is a butt-ugly design on both the eagle and Ms. Liberty....

    I love the Obverse. Its helpful to understand where Morgan came from, the intention of the design and the denomination.....

    Its definitely not for everyone.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As a biologist, the eagle looks to be wretching (ie getting ready to barf a scat), and Liberty worn-out tired. The execution would not leave French or Italian designers breathless...

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    As a biologist, the eagle looks to be wretching (ie getting ready to barf a scat), and Liberty worn-out tired. The execution would not leave French or Italian designers breathless...

    LOL.....so I take it you wont be purchasing one.....

    The eagle, appears to be drying its wings and warming itself, a "biologist" should recognize this. Perhaps you are critiquing the sketch book and the trade dollar variations?

    As a collector I can see the appeal to things that may not be appealing to your eye. It looks like the $100 Union design has once again caused much interest.

    How about we get the thread back on track ;)

    Mr, Carr if you would like any other pictures of the inside of the sketch book I will send them in private message.

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That sounds great Dan. I will be watching for it's debut. Thanks


  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    5 oz gold Union...whoa...that's high roller material. Silver or brass for us common folk?

    So what would be used for a 5 oz gold blank?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2019 9:49PM

    Does either of the popular TPGs for Dan's pieces have a holder big enough for a 5oz gold?

    I know PCGS does, but will they slab it?

  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    I have in mind a 50mm 5-troy-oz 999 gold "Union" that I could do.
    But it doesn't involve any of the Morgan designs shown in this thread.
    I'm first going to do a 50mm 3-troy-oz 999 silver version.
    If that works out, then I will consider the Union.

    I'm very interested......

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You got me so excited Dan <3 look forward to it.

    @dcarr said:
    I have in mind a 50mm 5-troy-oz 999 gold "Union" that I could do.
    But it doesn't involve any of the Morgan designs shown in this thread.
    I'm first going to do a 50mm 3-troy-oz 999 silver version.
    If that works out, then I will consider the Union.

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gone to get some Lotto tickets... B)

  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Akbeez said:
    5 oz gold Union...whoa...that's high roller material. Silver or brass for us common folk?

    So what would be used for a 5 oz gold blank?

    Since gold is denser than silver, a 50mm 3-troy-oz silver piece would be approximately the same thickness as a 50mm 5-troy-oz gold piece. So I could potentially use the same die pair for both (and then mark the edge with the metallic content). I will definitely make the silver version. So there will be a chance to buy that one.

    I make my own 50mm 3-troy-oz silver blanks. My first (and so far only) use of those was the 2018 Knights of the Coin Table medals. I have not made any 50mm gold blanks, but the mechanics would be the same as the silver.

    I must say those 2018 Knights of the Coin Table medals are impressive
    .

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @colonialcoin, I notice you LOL a lot of the responses in here. Why so much stalking in the Daniel Carr forum with no comments?? Comment away!

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ANACS better start prepping smoe 50mm holders.

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @renman95 said:
    ANACS better start prepping smoe 50mm holders.

    There's no 50mm holder according to an ANACS Rep at the Long Beach Show last Fall. But maybe that's changed.

    Anyway, if enough people ask for a 50mm holder, maybe ANACS will step up.

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  • burlguyburlguy Posts: 71 ✭✭✭

    @COCollector said:

    @renman95 said:
    ANACS better start prepping smoe 50mm holders.

    There's no 50mm holder according to an ANACS Rep at the Long Beach Show last Fall. But maybe that's changed.

    Anyway, if enough people ask for a 50mm holder, maybe ANACS will step up.

    Where do we submit our request?

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burlguy said:

    @COCollector said:

    @renman95 said:
    ANACS better start prepping smoe 50mm holders.

    There's no 50mm holder according to an ANACS Rep at the Long Beach Show last Fall. But maybe that's changed.

    Anyway, if enough people ask for a 50mm holder, maybe ANACS will step up.

    Where do we submit our request?

    For that type of inquiry, I think email is best: CustomerService@ANACS.com

    Or you could call or mail: http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/Contact.aspx

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Akbeez said:
    5 oz gold Union...whoa...that's high roller material. Silver or brass for us common folk?

    So what would be used for a 5 oz gold blank?

    I make my own 50mm 3-troy-oz silver blanks. My first (and so far only) use of those was the 2018 Knights of the Coin Table medals. I have not made any 50mm gold blanks, but the mechanics would be the same as the silver.

    YEAH BABY! Those 3 oz KOTCTs are the bomb! Hope to see more this year... :)

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A private message from a poster here theorized what I might have in mind for the design of the 50mm "Union".
    They were basically correct. So I will unveil the intended design here for the first time (next post).

    When I did the initial Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty sculpt, I took all possible elements from one of the original coins and added the shield and wings from the Saint Gaudens original rough sketch. While doing this, I attempted to keep the original sculpted elements from the coin as intact as possible. I liked the result. But the extra-long flowing hair and the sun rays seen on the original coins was meant to fill up the vast spaces on either side of Liberty's body. With the wings added, the long flowing hair and sun rays clashed somewhat with the rest of the design, in my opinion. I still liked it, but thought it could be better.

    So my plan is to mint the Union using the sculpt illustrated next, in EXTRA HIGH relief with significantly dished fields.

    I hope I can pull that off with 400 tons to work with. In 2017 I had a very difficult time getting full strikes on the 50mm Knights of the Coin Table medals. But those were 2-troy-oz 999 silver. Then for the 2018 medals I went with 3-troy-oz 50mm blanks (50% thicker) and that made a big difference.

    I'll be pushing it with the relief I have in mind and 400 tons. We'll see what happens.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aspie_Rocco said:

    Unique look, I like the spread out stars.

    Thanks. There are 50 of them.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,811 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @Aspie_Rocco said:

    Unique look, I like the spread out stars.

    Thanks. There are 50 of them.

    Good to know. That's what I was hoping for and guessing.

    Any possibility of using a Roman numeral date instead of "2019"?

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic Dan. Can't wait.


  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like the stars and Liberty's hair looks much better imo.

    Dang, that's a great looking piece !!

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MMXIX * LIBERTY

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