Thought it’s worth a final write-up on my experience this year, so here goes.
I would like to hear Kendall’s and other attendees views, as I’m pretty sure we don’t share all these opinions – which is really what makes collecting fun in some ways and certainly assists in learning more about the hobby and the various collectors themselves.
LOCATION In the end, I don’t know that I’d want to come back to AC. It was easy to get to from other places like Philly and NY, but you can’t really get there directly unless you’re driving and that’s a headache. Also, AC is not family friendly at all, so if you’re only wanting to appeal to 40+ men who like to gamble, it’s fine but otherwise there’s not much else to do and there’s no real “go to” quality.
Room layout was fine enough, although I think opening into the hall full of empty breaking booths is sort of a let down. Keeping PSA and the autographs at opposite ends was fine, it basically eliminated any impact from those lines on the rest of the show. Having the middle carpet area for the Company, Auction Houses and big dealers like BBCE was fine, but does make it a little difficult to make sure you’ve seen everything since you have “mini-rows” on each side. It was sort of like that in Chicago as well so that’s probably here to stay. I think it would “pump people up” to have a little more dazzle through the front door, but that’s just me. Sets the tone better for a great show experience, you know? Maybe I’m too “sensitive”.
ATTENDANCE Attendance was down from what I can tell, dealers and people. There were definitely dealers I met last year that didn’t come, so while the show wasn’t a lot smaller it was definitely smaller. I didn’t make it all the way through Chicago on preview day last year, but I did this year. Quality didn’t really suffer I guess, although as I said I didn’t see a Wagner for sale (maybe there was one in an auction preview), and didn’t see any Jackson’s for sale. I realize it’s only two cards, but I’d expect to see those at a National and I didn’t this time. If this had been my first National, that would have been pretty disappointing.
STRENGTH OF MARKETS Unopened – I think unopened has leveled off, but it could flare back up at any time. Supply was definitely down, but with prices up so much I do think it slowed sales. I know BBCE sold quite a bit of early 80s material, as the shelves were getting restocked each day. There was a bit of discussion around FASC, so that’s here to stay, but there’s definitely varying opinions on where it actually matters the most and what the appropriate premium should be. Also, there’s the complication of the scarcity of the product in unopened form, and what if any link there should be to potential contents. I’ve always felt there needed to be some link between those, but I know others disagree. I would point out the discussion of the 1986 Fleer boxes, and how much a Jordan 10 needs to bring in order to justify a box price. Maybe that’s product specific, I’m not versed enough in it to know that for sure. Regardless, I think some folks overlooked this aspect on some of the late 70s/early 80s products in the past and are now having to rethink it.
Jordans/Basketball – Jordan Fleer RCs were plentiful as you can see, and it seems prices on those have stabilized if not even backed off some. I think this market is at equilibrium at the moment, and dealers are still interested in them but not anywhere near their selling prices. I think a lot of them (the dealers) are just moving the cards around between each other, and while I wouldn’t necessarily call that price manipulation (since it’s not really coordinated), I’m not sure it’s reflective of actual supply and demand. In comparison, Star Jordan RCs were scarce yet again, but they are also very expensive in every grade. Star RCs in general were pretty scarce, and very expensive – but I also didn’t see a single one trade hands. If those had been more reasonable, I would have been a big buyer and I was in Chicago – but not here. 1957 and 1961 basketball were very asked for, there was a modest amount but not much in mid/high grades. Most was low grade, but these feel like they are very hot right now. Modern autographs, other than like Lebron and Steph, seemed pretty weak – Anthony Davis was another guy who seemed to have some steam. Kobe’s seemed steady, there weren’t a ton of Chrome refractor RCs but there were some. Noticeably absent – Iverson and Nash Chrome refractors, didn’t see a single one.
Vintage graded – High end prices were certainly strong and there were some sales, but again felt like things had leveled for the moment. Next 30-60 days will probably tell where we are, as there are some auctions ending next week and several fall auctions coming with some good stuff in them. We’ll see if this was just a pause for AC or something bigger, but my feeling was high end graded was starting to slow a little, i.e. each new sale wasn’t the new high for the card. Mid-grade vintage (4/5/6) honestly felt pretty slow, but I think that was a pricing problem not a supply problem. There were for instance a ton of Clemente RCs as you can see, but they weren’t really selling. It’s not like people weren’t asking, they were just getting hit with prices 25% over recent sales prices, which were off from the recent highs. Quality certain matters, but again I didn’t see or hear of these really moving which tells me prices got away from the buyers and they’re either being disciplined or moved on to something else.
This is probably a good spot to talk about the section of cards Kendall referred to. The group of tables was by far the best corner of quality in the room, no doubt. But it was also some of, in my opinion, the most over-priced cards in the room and their nearly still full showcases 3 days later I think supports my view. I don’t know those guys well, but I know Jeff at CC a little bit and they’re great people, super nice, will talk to anyone, always polite, and beautiful cards on display – and I assume their “pod mates” are similar, I didn’t really talk to those folks. However, when you price your cards like cards a grade up, i.e. your 2s are priced like 3s, 3s like 4s, 4s like 5s, I think the perception to the average customer is that you’re only selling if you can “rip someone off”. Are the cards high end for the grade? Certainly most of them are, but the prices are even higher end for that quality in my opinion, and the apparent lack of sales I think again supports my view. I suspect those guys are really more collectors than they are dealers/investors, and if so that’s fine. If that’s true, though, those showcases are really more just “showing off”, and I think that turns a lot of people off. I’d honestly rather see few cards in their cases, with the ones they’d really consider selling, than all that “eye candy” that no one is really going to buy. As a buyer myself, it’s disappointing to see those cards because it’s just a tease – they aren’t REALLY for sale. I’m sure others don’t agree with me and that’s ok, just my view. I think if you want to argue “buy the card, not the holder”, you’re oversimplifying the equation. In my view, there has to be a balance between the eye appeal and the technical qualities, which is much more subjective on the mid-grades. That’s part of why I believe high grade has done so well, because that balance is generally much easier with high grade – they look good and the grade tells you they have high technical qualities, so the match is easier to make. Hope that makes sense.
Vintage raw – There was plenty of this as well, I didn’t focus on it because the few times I did peak at nice looking raw cards they had clear flaws, which is obviously why they weren’t already in holders. If you know what you’re doing, maybe there’s opportunity here but you better be ready for a real grind. Dealers have subbed the good stuff already.
Grading – Lines were consistent at both PSA and BGS, I think they both did a healthy business. I do think there’s a fair bit of crossover and review subs happening, and the crossovers are where I think there could be some money to be made. I would say that the difference in prices between SGC and BGS have been closing the gap, and again I think crossover subs are driving a lot of that. As with anything, you gotta be careful. I saw someone pop a BGS 7.5 out and sub to PSA to get a 2 in return – there was an ever so faint trace of glue/scrapbook residue. It’s was the strangest thing, as the card had great color and super sharp corners, but PSA’s guidelines basically REQUIRE a 2 for that card. That’s a very RARE exception where the grade now doesn’t suit the card, but I’m guessing it may be difficult to get it BACK into a BGS 7.5 now. Anyway, BE CAREFUL if you’re going to pop and sub, you’ve got to look over every micro-inch, and just know who you’re dealing with. I think PSA has a bit of reputation of being very tough on size, so just make sure you measure up as well.
Modern graded/raw – There’s plenty of this out there, and plenty of transactions taking place. Cards get hot and cold, so it feels pretty volatile but for performance issues, not so much market issues. It did still suffer from overpricing, but most of the dealers seemed to be more willing to negotiate – eBay is the kind of price points on these and it helps if you know your stuff. A lot of those dealers are the first internet kids, so everything revolves around “right now” pricing with them, even with the vintage cards. They don’t care about VCP and would definitely mock anyone using it.
Memorabilia – Memorabilia seemed pretty healthy still, it hasn’t had the same wild fluctuations as the cards, ex autographed RCs. Still seeing more and more of those, I think that’s a “dual threat” market since the cards themselves have been going up and there’s just weren’t a ton to start with. I still remember the days when it was considered ruining your card to have a guy sign it. I think most of these collectors are like me, they want a nice looking card and nice looking autograph, they generally don’t care about the “grade” assigned to an autograph. Mostly, that’s just a ploy to charge more for a card – at least that’s my feeling. But strong interest in that space still, and supply isn’t necessarily extensive.
STRATEGY FOR THE SHOW I don’t know that I have a great one. I think my advice would be, consider it an “experience” more than an “opportunity”, because unless you’ve got a few thousands bucks to spend it’s unlikely you can make it an “economic” trip. But it’s fun to see everything, be in the crowd, search for deals, talk to fellow collectors (I met a top 10 in the world Kobe collector from Belgium! Cool dude, we talked for like 30 minutes, very interesting perspective and knowledge gained from him), meet the “good guys” in the hobby. If I could pick one thing, it would be BRING CASH – cash is king at the show, nobody takes checks and they don’t like taking credit cards. Some folks will trade, but it’s not as common as you’d think (I had multiple dealers basically pass on T206 Youngs, Johnsons, etc. unless I was willing to take the standard 25% discount off lowest recent sale because they’re “dealers” and I’m not, at least for this show). But finding those folks and keeping a relationship with them I think is probably the best strategy of all. It’s sort of like the board that way – get to know them, help them out, let them help you, and you can probably find enough action to keep you busy.
At the end of day, I’m glad I went. Yes, it’s easy to say that considering I brought home an Abraham Lincoln autograph, but I collect a bit of everything which gives me a better shot at “hitting” on something. That’s why I say, go for the “experience”, and hope for the best. I imagine most collectors would like to do it once, and I’d tell you Chicago is a great place to do it if you can. There’s other things to do besides the show there as well, which gives it a higher ranking in my book.
Hope you guys enjoyed this, I appreciate the complements and was happy to do it. I look forward to doing it again next year, and would really like to try and organize a “Board Swap Meet” or something similar. Maybe we could even get like a “Board Dinner” or happy hour sponsored partially by PSA, who knows. “If we organize it, maybe they’ll come!”.
Safe travels to everyone who’s still out there, and hope you have a great rest of the weekend. Don’t forget about the case break Sunday night!
OH – and on my PSA submission – it’s still in progress. I don’t want to talk too much about it just yet, it’s actually somewhat complicated to explain what’s going on and need a couple more weeks to resolve some issues/questions. What I will say is I had a good talk with them Friday, things are still ongoing and there will be further follow-up once they’re back settled post show. I realize that’s not a particularly satisfying answer for now, but I think it’s the right path at the moment for both me and them. I promise to share more when the time is right, that time however isn’t right now.
Thanks again for the read gang, looking forward to other comments and reactions, as well as pictures of other folks pick-ups.
Wow, what a great write up and I loved reading your perspective! Thanks for taking the time to get it all written down. Out of curiosity, was there much in the way of Japanese and Nippon Professional Baseball baseball stuff?
Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan Wow, what a great write up and I loved reading your perspective! Thanks for taking the time to get it all written down. Out of curiosity, was there much in the way of Japanese and Nippon Professional Baseball baseball stuff?
GREAT QUESTION - and now I regret not taking the picture! I knew I should have taken it!
There was one dealer who had 2-3 display cases FULL of Japanese baseball cards and memorabilia. There of course was a ton of Sadaharu Oh in there, but there were many others - I'm not familiar with it to tell you who but I'm confident it was major stars - I think mostly 1970s and older? I'm assuming it's the stuff you're asking about because it all had what I assume to be Japanese letters/characters, etc. but also English on some of them. It was a pretty wide selection, not like just a bunch of cards from one particular set.
Wish I had taken that snapshot - I will definitely do it next time! DANG!
Great write up! Curious to hear more of your thoughts on what you hinted at about unopened and its pricing compared to what you can get in grades from it.....
Originally posted by: SumoMenkoMan Wow, what a great write up and I loved reading your perspective! Thanks for taking the time to get it all written down. Out of curiosity, was there much in the way of Japanese and Nippon Professional Baseball baseball stuff?
GREAT QUESTION - and now I regret not taking the picture! I knew I should have taken it!
There was one dealer who had 2-3 display cases FULL of Japanese baseball cards and memorabilia. There of course was a ton of Sadaharu Oh in there, but there were many others - I'm not familiar with it to tell you who but I'm confident it was major stars - I think mostly 1970s and older? I'm assuming it's the stuff you're asking about because it all had what I assume to be Japanese letters/characters, etc. but also English on some of them. It was a pretty wide selection, not like just a bunch of cards from one particular set.
Wish I had taken that snapshot - I will definitely do it next time! DANG!
No worries. Glad to hear there is some interest in the Japanese stuff.
Terrific recap, David. Enjoyed all your insights and photos.
For unopened product, I would agree that there must be some kind of correlation between the price of the pack/box and the contents within. That correlation should be stronger for more common product (anything 1978 and later, imo) than the tougher issues, for which the scarcity of the product or the pack itself comprises a greater component to its value than the potential value of the cards within.
At one point, when unopened prices were rapidly and continuously rising, a common complaint was that the value of the box in most cases dwarfed the potential value of the cards within. Over the past year or 18 months, as unopened prices finally began leveling off, we have witnessed prices for key rookies and HOFers escalate rapidly to the point where that correlation between value of unopened and value of the cards within has narrowed to some extent, though ripping vintage unopened product remains a risky proposition in most cases. Still, it's easier to justify ripping a 1980 Topps baseball wax pack for $25 when a PSA 9 Henderson will net you $800 rather than $400.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I didn't make it this year so I really appreciate the pictures and info. I'm already looking forward to Chicago next year.
"You know we just don't recognize the most significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, well, there'll be other days. I didn't realize that that was the only day."
Originally posted by: CrissCriss A Namath PSA 7 RC sold for $17,000 and dealers with high end graded vintage were doing well. So sales weren't stagnating at the show.
i think that's right, but that's not the "normal" part of the hobby. the dealers who are trying to drag mid-grade along with the high grade price increases are going to ultimately be disappointed i think. the mid-grade guys (me included) just have to be disciplined and wait them out.
just because a PSA 7 namath goes $17k does NOT mean a PSA 4 should go for $2k; it should be $1250-1500 max. so that dealer has got to drop his price 25% to even get in the range, and even if he's willing that's a long way and a lot of offer/counteroffer/counter again
Still, it's easier to justify ripping a 1980 Topps baseball wax pack for $25 when a PSA 9 Henderson will net you $800 rather than $400.
i agree with this, and to me its interesting that it went this way. i always assumed unopened would move after the cards themselves, but there's plenty of examples where it went the other way
i'm starting to actually think the 75s should be making a turn again, considering how strong brett and yount prices have gotten over the past year, and yet the 75 boxes (at least the minis) have declined a bit
Thanks for the write up. I fall in to the category that it is just not in my best collecting interest to go to the National. I can use my resources more wisely shopping online. The experience would be great but the $$$ for travel etc would have to come out of my buying budget. Just not worth it for me.
Was hoping to post some more photos and comments about the show, but things have been a little hectic over here. Wife asked how the show went and I said great. Asked how much we spent and I said not so great. Showed her what I picked up and she blew a fuse and took it out on our kitchen - just started smashing stuff before I could stop her. Looks like I am back to buying 1988 Topps for a while. No es Bueno.
Of course it is. My wife decided to get new granite for the kitchen and change the island which should look much better for our kitchen. Little did I know we were also changing out the backsplash, and while at the National I get a photo texted to me of junior with a hammer and stone and taking out the wall. Figured she was nice enough to not only support my hobby, she actually encouraged me to get the Ruth, but also goes with me to the National each year it was the least I could do to support her efforts and what she wants. Showed her all of my pickups and not once did she ask how much. Told me I needed to grab a few more pre war cards I showed her when I got home.
Originally posted by: dennis07 Thanks for the write up. I fall in to the category that it is just not in my best collecting interest to go to the National. I can use my resources more wisely shopping online. The experience would be great but the $$$ for travel etc would have to come out of my buying budget. Just not worth it for me.
This is the decision point for a lot of folks, which is why I say treat it like an experience. That's how I view it, which takes the "edge" off of trying to find a deal or card to make the trip cost worth it. But if you can ever go, I say do it. Or plan it into a family vacation? That's we did in Chicago and it was perfect. Or do a "road trip" with buddies.
I hear you on best use of funds, but don't underestimate the difference if your computer screen and being there in person. It's just a different experience to be there live and see it all in one place.
H&S has a really cool exhibit card vending machine I'm interested in Daniel.
I remember when Mr Mint had a big "find" of 60T cello years ago - the price of the boxes compared to today is noteworthy. If the Yaz was centered better - that would be a seriously nice box.
Thanks for the write up. I fall in to the category that it is just not in my best collecting interest to go to the National. I can use my resources more wisely shopping online.
The experience would be great but the $$$ for travel etc would have to come out of my buying budget. Just not worth it for me.
Bounce: I think my advice would be, consider it an “experience” more than an “opportunity”,
Hiya Dennis
I was thinking about what you said and the quote about the "experience...."
I agree with what you're saying. "Effective" use of resources - especially if there's a really strict budget.
I will say tho - I think for most of us here? It would be nice to once in a decade (even) to plan a trip to the National - especially to put a face with a name.
I very much enjoyed that last year.
cpamike's gonna pick on me - but "not" going this year is gonna make that much harder for me to remember a name/face next year in Chicago.
Originally posted by: CrissCriss Bounce - mid grade hasn't risen too? I beg to differ, sir. A PSA 5.5 Namath sold for $3600 at the show. PSA 6 Jim Browns were over $2000. Other mid grade was 50% over last year.
I never said they hadn't come up so please don't put words in my mouth
I said that pricing was often out of line
Tell me what the last 5 Namath 4s sold for, and let's see if that defends a $2000 asking price for it
Don't change the card, let's start there
And the psa 6 Browns was the asking price - I'm not sure anyone actually saw one sell for that
A few photos of pickups from AC. Had a great time meeting everyone there - dberk, CincyRedlegs, Maddux, Dbone, Dan, 70Topps(Dave).. Just a great group and looking forward to meeting more folks in the future, and my apologies if I left anyone out. Hope you enjoyed the photos and updates.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Originally posted by: lseecon nice goudeys. doubles on the 34 gehrig?
Correct. I knew one was going to be available, and when the 7 was also offered the card was too nice to pass up. The card literally glows with color in person. Plus it gives me some powder if I need to move one to grab another card down the road.
Originally posted by: grote15 KC, you don't fool around! LOL!
Tim - sold a couple of 56 Mantles which I was not sure I would do before the show, but I picked up another 56 Mantle so it allowed me to move my PSA 7 and 8. I also picked up a Koufax rookie in a PSA 6 which is at PSA for review. Probably move some smaller rookies and unopened in the next couple of weeks once the dust settles.
Kendall Cat...Those are very attractive cards. In particular...the Banks has exceptional centering for the issue. Many times...there is little to no white showing between the top edge and Cubs logo. Also...the 7 Gehrig has great eye appeal. Probably...it is worth a review. Did you purchase that card from Hill?
My collection is stuck on card #86 out of 100 cards. Though...I have my eye on 4 or 5...but it would really hit my Scottrade account which I use to fund my purchases.
I do not know if I told you that my review w/PSA went very well. 4 out of 11 bumped including the Ryan RC to an 8.5...55 Berra to 9...59 Maris to a 9...and a 65 Morgan RC to a 9. I am still holding the other 68 Ryan PSA-8 which has perfect centering both ways on the front of the card...each of the defined borders is 5/64 of an inch.
Bounce--get write up with in-depth thoughts. I was not able to make it this year so this is definitely appreciated. See ya in Chicago.
As for the dinner--I tried to organize 1 last year in Chicago with BBCE and others but ran into a problem night wise. Fridays were bad due to other functions, Weds/Sats bad--lotta people not there or already gone--, so I would say a Thrs if you want to think about it. Christmas decorations will be up in 30 days!!--so next year will be here b4 you know it
Keith - WOW, those are some AMAZING cards you picked up. Congrats and enjoy!
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Bounce - this was a great thread an amazing write up. I have yet to attend one of these but I knew early on that this year would not be the one. Lots going on on my end but I really like what you wrote in one of your sentences. I think my advice would be, consider it an “experience” more than an “opportunity”, because unless you’ve got a few thousands bucks to spend it’s unlikely you can make it an “economic” trip. I think that pretty much nails it.
Wow, great information. As a long time collector who sometimes dives in and out of big purchases, I am amazed at the rise in these high grades. Most of my baseball hovers around the PSA 6-7 mark for vintage, and of course 8-9 for more recent. I always bypassed the 10's so I could purchase 2-3 PSA 9's instead. My bad, it looks like. Sort of odd that this late 70's and mid 80's baseball is going up so high for some years, yet 1983 Topps boxes have actually declined a bit before coming back up. Even some of the early 90's stuff is climbing. My latest craze (it always changes) is to purchase HOFer's only, again 6-8 PSA grades and the oddball stuff I always liked. Perhaps I need to focus a bit more on vintage 9-10's. I appreciate all the picts and opinions expressed. Hopefully, I will be there at the National next year for my first trip. It has gone from a want to my bucket list.
CURRENT PROJECTS IN WORK: To be honest, no direction, but... 1966-69 Topps EX+ 1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9 All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
Originally posted by: mintonlypls Kendall Cat...Those are very attractive cards. In particular...the Banks has exceptional centering for the issue. Many times...there is little to no white showing between the top edge and Cubs logo. Also...the 7 Gehrig has great eye appeal. Probably...it is worth a review. Did you purchase that card from Hill?
My collection is stuck on card #86 out of 100 cards. Though...I have my eye on 4 or 5...but it would really hit my Scottrade account which I use to fund my purchases.
I do not know if I told you that my review w/PSA went very well. 4 out of 11 bumped including the Ryan RC to an 8.5...55 Berra to 9...59 Maris to a 9...and a 65 Morgan RC to a 9. I am still holding the other 68 Ryan PSA-8 which has perfect centering both ways on the front of the card...each of the defined borders is 5/64 of an inch.
Monte
Thank you for the note and nice comments. On the Banks I actually got that one for Keith Jr - 11 year old who only collects vintage but smart enough to do it with mom and dads $$
The Gehrig's did come from Brady, and he has an incredible eye for stuff. He has PSA 2's and 3's and most if not all have tremendous eye appeal - centering and color are usually dead on. I am still learning as I go, and Jeff, Brady, and Matt C have taught me a ton. Never ise to buy below a PSA 8, and now I am learning to find cards that look better than their technical grade. They look hopefully just as nice and saves a ton of $$ by getting a PSA 6 or 7 versus an 8. Have 3 cards in for review currently, and might try the Gehrig for a bump at some point.
Awesome job on the bumps!! I remembered a while back your telling me about them and hoping to get some of them bumped. Did you try to bump both Ryans or just the one? I remember both were very strong cards with awesome centering. I did pick up a Ryan recently and can always use another . Might try to bump this one next time.
KC...I see what you mean about exceeding the technical grade on your Ryan RC. Nice looking card!
I did not submit the other Ryan RC thinking it would not bump because of the one corner which I would grade a "7" corner despite perfect centering on the front of the card.
My 8.5 has the better corners and registration....whereas my 8 has the better color and better centering on the bottom of the card (50/50 vs 55/45 on the 8.5). Both cards are perfectly centered side to side.
If a big card comes along that I cannot live without...I would reluctantly sell the "8" Ryan. That could be sooner than later. Right now...I am looking at 5 cards that would nearly deplete my Scottrade account which I do not want to do.
Great thread guys. Keith – thanks so much for the nice words. Your haul was impressive. I am so glad you got those nice prewar cards from Brady. It was fun hanging out with you. My parents are still talking about how much they like talking to you.
It is great to hear the views from the other side of the table. Here are my takes from the dealer side:
1. the crowd was good. It was rare to find a time when I wasn't busy that I could run to the bathroom or call home to check on the family. There were lines of people waiting to get into the show every morning when we arrived. It was great to see.
2. People were buying. Any concerns that people had about collectors being hesitant to spend money should be eased. I sold tons of cards- By Friday I had to change my display from 36 cards per case to 25 cards per case just to have some quality cards to display. For those wondering what was hot here are some things that I personally sold: 2 Psa 8 Rose rookies (yes rose rookies!!) a 1957 mantle Psa 8.5, 54 Aaron Psa 7, seven Gretzky rookies, three Unitas rookies, five Elway rookies, 4 1960 mantles (8,7.5, 7, 6), 3 56 mantles (8, 7, 5), Psa 8 rookies of Ryan, b rob, Stargell, mccovey, Maris, Gibson, marichal x2, Fisk x 3, Schmidt, bird/magic x2, and Psa 9 rookies of Payton, bench and a few others. Mantles were extremely popular as usual, and I sold quite a few Psa graded 50's/60's Stars.
3. Clemente rookies were cool, but other Clementes weren't.
4. There were a lot of kids there. That was awesome to see.
5. AC as a venue was so-so. I won't be itching for it to be back there mostly because my wife and kids I didn't make the trip because of the location.
6. It was awesome to get to hang with old friends, and meet new ones. The best part of the national is definitely the people. We have so many really good guys in this hobby that sometimes we overlook that and only focus on the bad ones. The group of guys that were at my table were just absolutely incredible guys. I am happy to call them friends, and really really enjoy coming to the show to catch up with them.
Overall, my take is that the hobby is alive and well. I am buying and selling as aggressively as ever, and it was great to see other guys doing the same. It was great talking to all the CU guys that came by. I hope more can make it to Chicago next year. That's all for now,
Jeff
Jeff Foy/Dave Foy Card Country Graded stars 1950's-1980
Originally posted by: Stone193 Was like walking thru in person.
Great summation - by Bounce and KC (Keith).
I Spy Mike. I bet that might be Pam in the blue T-shirt?
Mike, you have eagle eyes. That was Pam.
And I'd like to also say that Bounce and Keith did a great job with their write-up. I unfortunately came back to piles of work and will try to post about my National experience when I get the chance.
And the pictures make the socks look much higher than they really are...honest.
P.S. I did get that restraining order against Bounce. Unfortunately it expires right before next year's National.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Originally posted by: Stone193 Was like walking thru in person.
Great summation - by Bounce and KC (Keith).
I Spy Mike. I bet that might be Pam in the blue T-shirt?
Mike, you have eagle eyes. That was Pam.
And I'd like to also say that Bounce and Keith did a great job with their write-up. I unfortunately came back to piles of work and will try to post about my National experience when I get the chance.
And the pictures make the socks look much higher than they really are...honest.
P.S. I did get that restraining order against Bounce. Unfortunately it expires right before next year's National.
I will personally provide CPAMike with a batch of Nike Dri Fit low cut socks next year to safe him the harassment on here. Of course if that is his biggest issue going I think he is in good shape!
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I would like to hear Kendall’s and other attendees views, as I’m pretty sure we don’t share all these opinions – which is really what makes collecting fun in some ways and certainly assists in learning more about the hobby and the various collectors themselves.
LOCATION
In the end, I don’t know that I’d want to come back to AC. It was easy to get to from other places like Philly and NY, but you can’t really get there directly unless you’re driving and that’s a headache. Also, AC is not family friendly at all, so if you’re only wanting to appeal to 40+ men who like to gamble, it’s fine but otherwise there’s not much else to do and there’s no real “go to” quality.
Room layout was fine enough, although I think opening into the hall full of empty breaking booths is sort of a let down. Keeping PSA and the autographs at opposite ends was fine, it basically eliminated any impact from those lines on the rest of the show. Having the middle carpet area for the Company, Auction Houses and big dealers like BBCE was fine, but does make it a little difficult to make sure you’ve seen everything since you have “mini-rows” on each side. It was sort of like that in Chicago as well so that’s probably here to stay. I think it would “pump people up” to have a little more dazzle through the front door, but that’s just me. Sets the tone better for a great show experience, you know? Maybe I’m too “sensitive”.
ATTENDANCE
Attendance was down from what I can tell, dealers and people. There were definitely dealers I met last year that didn’t come, so while the show wasn’t a lot smaller it was definitely smaller. I didn’t make it all the way through Chicago on preview day last year, but I did this year. Quality didn’t really suffer I guess, although as I said I didn’t see a Wagner for sale (maybe there was one in an auction preview), and didn’t see any Jackson’s for sale. I realize it’s only two cards, but I’d expect to see those at a National and I didn’t this time. If this had been my first National, that would have been pretty disappointing.
STRENGTH OF MARKETS
Unopened – I think unopened has leveled off, but it could flare back up at any time. Supply was definitely down, but with prices up so much I do think it slowed sales. I know BBCE sold quite a bit of early 80s material, as the shelves were getting restocked each day. There was a bit of discussion around FASC, so that’s here to stay, but there’s definitely varying opinions on where it actually matters the most and what the appropriate premium should be. Also, there’s the complication of the scarcity of the product in unopened form, and what if any link there should be to potential contents. I’ve always felt there needed to be some link between those, but I know others disagree. I would point out the discussion of the 1986 Fleer boxes, and how much a Jordan 10 needs to bring in order to justify a box price. Maybe that’s product specific, I’m not versed enough in it to know that for sure. Regardless, I think some folks overlooked this aspect on some of the late 70s/early 80s products in the past and are now having to rethink it.
Jordans/Basketball – Jordan Fleer RCs were plentiful as you can see, and it seems prices on those have stabilized if not even backed off some. I think this market is at equilibrium at the moment, and dealers are still interested in them but not anywhere near their selling prices. I think a lot of them (the dealers) are just moving the cards around between each other, and while I wouldn’t necessarily call that price manipulation (since it’s not really coordinated), I’m not sure it’s reflective of actual supply and demand. In comparison, Star Jordan RCs were scarce yet again, but they are also very expensive in every grade. Star RCs in general were pretty scarce, and very expensive – but I also didn’t see a single one trade hands. If those had been more reasonable, I would have been a big buyer and I was in Chicago – but not here. 1957 and 1961 basketball were very asked for, there was a modest amount but not much in mid/high grades. Most was low grade, but these feel like they are very hot right now. Modern autographs, other than like Lebron and Steph, seemed pretty weak – Anthony Davis was another guy who seemed to have some steam. Kobe’s seemed steady, there weren’t a ton of Chrome refractor RCs but there were some. Noticeably absent – Iverson and Nash Chrome refractors, didn’t see a single one.
Vintage graded – High end prices were certainly strong and there were some sales, but again felt like things had leveled for the moment. Next 30-60 days will probably tell where we are, as there are some auctions ending next week and several fall auctions coming with some good stuff in them. We’ll see if this was just a pause for AC or something bigger, but my feeling was high end graded was starting to slow a little, i.e. each new sale wasn’t the new high for the card. Mid-grade vintage (4/5/6) honestly felt pretty slow, but I think that was a pricing problem not a supply problem. There were for instance a ton of Clemente RCs as you can see, but they weren’t really selling. It’s not like people weren’t asking, they were just getting hit with prices 25% over recent sales prices, which were off from the recent highs. Quality certain matters, but again I didn’t see or hear of these really moving which tells me prices got away from the buyers and they’re either being disciplined or moved on to something else.
This is probably a good spot to talk about the section of cards Kendall referred to. The group of tables was by far the best corner of quality in the room, no doubt. But it was also some of, in my opinion, the most over-priced cards in the room and their nearly still full showcases 3 days later I think supports my view. I don’t know those guys well, but I know Jeff at CC a little bit and they’re great people, super nice, will talk to anyone, always polite, and beautiful cards on display – and I assume their “pod mates” are similar, I didn’t really talk to those folks. However, when you price your cards like cards a grade up, i.e. your 2s are priced like 3s, 3s like 4s, 4s like 5s, I think the perception to the average customer is that you’re only selling if you can “rip someone off”. Are the cards high end for the grade? Certainly most of them are, but the prices are even higher end for that quality in my opinion, and the apparent lack of sales I think again supports my view. I suspect those guys are really more collectors than they are dealers/investors, and if so that’s fine. If that’s true, though, those showcases are really more just “showing off”, and I think that turns a lot of people off. I’d honestly rather see few cards in their cases, with the ones they’d really consider selling, than all that “eye candy” that no one is really going to buy. As a buyer myself, it’s disappointing to see those cards because it’s just a tease – they aren’t REALLY for sale. I’m sure others don’t agree with me and that’s ok, just my view. I think if you want to argue “buy the card, not the holder”, you’re oversimplifying the equation. In my view, there has to be a balance between the eye appeal and the technical qualities, which is much more subjective on the mid-grades. That’s part of why I believe high grade has done so well, because that balance is generally much easier with high grade – they look good and the grade tells you they have high technical qualities, so the match is easier to make. Hope that makes sense.
Vintage raw – There was plenty of this as well, I didn’t focus on it because the few times I did peak at nice looking raw cards they had clear flaws, which is obviously why they weren’t already in holders. If you know what you’re doing, maybe there’s opportunity here but you better be ready for a real grind. Dealers have subbed the good stuff already.
Grading – Lines were consistent at both PSA and BGS, I think they both did a healthy business. I do think there’s a fair bit of crossover and review subs happening, and the crossovers are where I think there could be some money to be made. I would say that the difference in prices between SGC and BGS have been closing the gap, and again I think crossover subs are driving a lot of that. As with anything, you gotta be careful. I saw someone pop a BGS 7.5 out and sub to PSA to get a 2 in return – there was an ever so faint trace of glue/scrapbook residue. It’s was the strangest thing, as the card had great color and super sharp corners, but PSA’s guidelines basically REQUIRE a 2 for that card. That’s a very RARE exception where the grade now doesn’t suit the card, but I’m guessing it may be difficult to get it BACK into a BGS 7.5 now. Anyway, BE CAREFUL if you’re going to pop and sub, you’ve got to look over every micro-inch, and just know who you’re dealing with. I think PSA has a bit of reputation of being very tough on size, so just make sure you measure up as well.
Modern graded/raw – There’s plenty of this out there, and plenty of transactions taking place. Cards get hot and cold, so it feels pretty volatile but for performance issues, not so much market issues. It did still suffer from overpricing, but most of the dealers seemed to be more willing to negotiate – eBay is the kind of price points on these and it helps if you know your stuff. A lot of those dealers are the first internet kids, so everything revolves around “right now” pricing with them, even with the vintage cards. They don’t care about VCP and would definitely mock anyone using it.
Memorabilia – Memorabilia seemed pretty healthy still, it hasn’t had the same wild fluctuations as the cards, ex autographed RCs. Still seeing more and more of those, I think that’s a “dual threat” market since the cards themselves have been going up and there’s just weren’t a ton to start with. I still remember the days when it was considered ruining your card to have a guy sign it. I think most of these collectors are like me, they want a nice looking card and nice looking autograph, they generally don’t care about the “grade” assigned to an autograph. Mostly, that’s just a ploy to charge more for a card – at least that’s my feeling. But strong interest in that space still, and supply isn’t necessarily extensive.
STRATEGY FOR THE SHOW
I don’t know that I have a great one. I think my advice would be, consider it an “experience” more than an “opportunity”, because unless you’ve got a few thousands bucks to spend it’s unlikely you can make it an “economic” trip. But it’s fun to see everything, be in the crowd, search for deals, talk to fellow collectors (I met a top 10 in the world Kobe collector from Belgium! Cool dude, we talked for like 30 minutes, very interesting perspective and knowledge gained from him), meet the “good guys” in the hobby. If I could pick one thing, it would be BRING CASH – cash is king at the show, nobody takes checks and they don’t like taking credit cards. Some folks will trade, but it’s not as common as you’d think (I had multiple dealers basically pass on T206 Youngs, Johnsons, etc. unless I was willing to take the standard 25% discount off lowest recent sale because they’re “dealers” and I’m not, at least for this show). But finding those folks and keeping a relationship with them I think is probably the best strategy of all. It’s sort of like the board that way – get to know them, help them out, let them help you, and you can probably find enough action to keep you busy.
At the end of day, I’m glad I went. Yes, it’s easy to say that considering I brought home an Abraham Lincoln autograph, but I collect a bit of everything which gives me a better shot at “hitting” on something. That’s why I say, go for the “experience”, and hope for the best. I imagine most collectors would like to do it once, and I’d tell you Chicago is a great place to do it if you can. There’s other things to do besides the show there as well, which gives it a higher ranking in my book.
Hope you guys enjoyed this, I appreciate the complements and was happy to do it. I look forward to doing it again next year, and would really like to try and organize a “Board Swap Meet” or something similar. Maybe we could even get like a “Board Dinner” or happy hour sponsored partially by PSA, who knows. “If we organize it, maybe they’ll come!”.
Safe travels to everyone who’s still out there, and hope you have a great rest of the weekend. Don’t forget about the case break Sunday night!
OH – and on my PSA submission – it’s still in progress. I don’t want to talk too much about it just yet, it’s actually somewhat complicated to explain what’s going on and need a couple more weeks to resolve some issues/questions. What I will say is I had a good talk with them Friday, things are still ongoing and there will be further follow-up once they’re back settled post show. I realize that’s not a particularly satisfying answer for now, but I think it’s the right path at the moment for both me and them. I promise to share more when the time is right, that time however isn’t right now.
Thanks again for the read gang, looking forward to other comments and reactions, as well as pictures of other folks pick-ups.
Wow, what a great write up and I loved reading your perspective! Thanks for taking the time to get it all written down. Out of curiosity, was there much in the way of Japanese and Nippon Professional Baseball baseball stuff?
GREAT QUESTION - and now I regret not taking the picture! I knew I should have taken it!
There was one dealer who had 2-3 display cases FULL of Japanese baseball cards and memorabilia. There of course was a ton of Sadaharu Oh in there, but there were many others - I'm not familiar with it to tell you who but I'm confident it was major stars - I think mostly 1970s and older? I'm assuming it's the stuff you're asking about because it all had what I assume to be Japanese letters/characters, etc. but also English on some of them. It was a pretty wide selection, not like just a bunch of cards from one particular set.
Wish I had taken that snapshot - I will definitely do it next time! DANG!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Wow, what a great write up and I loved reading your perspective! Thanks for taking the time to get it all written down. Out of curiosity, was there much in the way of Japanese and Nippon Professional Baseball baseball stuff?
GREAT QUESTION - and now I regret not taking the picture! I knew I should have taken it!
There was one dealer who had 2-3 display cases FULL of Japanese baseball cards and memorabilia. There of course was a ton of Sadaharu Oh in there, but there were many others - I'm not familiar with it to tell you who but I'm confident it was major stars - I think mostly 1970s and older? I'm assuming it's the stuff you're asking about because it all had what I assume to be Japanese letters/characters, etc. but also English on some of them. It was a pretty wide selection, not like just a bunch of cards from one particular set.
Wish I had taken that snapshot - I will definitely do it next time! DANG!
No worries. Glad to hear there is some interest in the Japanese stuff.
For unopened product, I would agree that there must be some kind of correlation between the price of the pack/box and the contents within. That correlation should be stronger for more common product (anything 1978 and later, imo) than the tougher issues, for which the scarcity of the product or the pack itself comprises a greater component to its value than the potential value of the cards within.
At one point, when unopened prices were rapidly and continuously rising, a common complaint was that the value of the box in most cases dwarfed the potential value of the cards within. Over the past year or 18 months, as unopened prices finally began leveling off, we have witnessed prices for key rookies and HOFers escalate rapidly to the point where that correlation between value of unopened and value of the cards within has narrowed to some extent, though ripping vintage unopened product remains a risky proposition in most cases. Still, it's easier to justify ripping a 1980 Topps baseball wax pack for $25 when a PSA 9 Henderson will net you $800 rather than $400.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
A Namath PSA 7 RC sold for $17,000 and dealers with high end graded vintage were doing well. So sales weren't stagnating at the show.
i think that's right, but that's not the "normal" part of the hobby. the dealers who are trying to drag mid-grade along with the high grade price increases are going to ultimately be disappointed i think. the mid-grade guys (me included) just have to be disciplined and wait them out.
just because a PSA 7 namath goes $17k does NOT mean a PSA 4 should go for $2k; it should be $1250-1500 max. so that dealer has got to drop his price 25% to even get in the range, and even if he's willing that's a long way and a lot of offer/counteroffer/counter again
i agree with this, and to me its interesting that it went this way. i always assumed unopened would move after the cards themselves, but there's plenty of examples where it went the other way
i'm starting to actually think the 75s should be making a turn again, considering how strong brett and yount prices have gotten over the past year, and yet the 75 boxes (at least the minis) have declined a bit
The experience would be great but the $$$ for travel etc would have to come out of my buying budget. Just not worth it for me.
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Of course it is. My wife decided to get new granite for the kitchen and change the island which should look much better for our kitchen. Little did I know we were also changing out the backsplash, and while at the National I get a photo texted to me of junior with a hammer and stone and taking out the wall. Figured she was nice enough to not only support my hobby, she actually encouraged me to get the Ruth, but also goes with me to the National each year it was the least I could do to support her efforts and what she wants. Showed her all of my pickups and not once did she ask how much. Told me I needed to grab a few more pre war cards I showed her when I got home.
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The seller with all of those Rickey Hendersons is totally in a dream world
Thanks Bounce!
All I'll say is I wish my PSA 9 was worth four figures.
I kept an eye out for the Topps Tiffany Clemens and the Wilt RC in mid-grade to no avail as well.
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Thanks for the write up. I fall in to the category that it is just not in my best collecting interest to go to the National. I can use my resources more wisely shopping online.
The experience would be great but the $$$ for travel etc would have to come out of my buying budget. Just not worth it for me.
This is the decision point for a lot of folks, which is why I say treat it like an experience. That's how I view it, which takes the "edge" off of trying to find a deal or card to make the trip cost worth it. But if you can ever go, I say do it. Or plan it into a family vacation? That's we did in Chicago and it was perfect. Or do a "road trip" with buddies.
I hear you on best use of funds, but don't underestimate the difference if your computer screen and being there in person. It's just a different experience to be there live and see it all in one place.
I remember when Mr Mint had a big "find" of 60T cello years ago - the price of the boxes compared to today is noteworthy. If the Yaz was centered better - that would be a seriously nice box.
Thanks for the write up. I fall in to the category that it is just not in my best collecting interest to go to the National. I can use my resources more wisely shopping online.
The experience would be great but the $$$ for travel etc would have to come out of my buying budget. Just not worth it for me.
Hiya Dennis
I was thinking about what you said and the quote about the "experience...."
I agree with what you're saying. "Effective" use of resources - especially if there's a really strict budget.
I will say tho - I think for most of us here? It would be nice to once in a decade (even) to plan a trip to the National - especially to put a face with a name.
I very much enjoyed that last year.
cpamike's gonna pick on me - but "not" going this year is gonna make that much harder for me to remember a name/face next year in Chicago.
Bounce - mid grade hasn't risen too? I beg to differ, sir. A PSA 5.5 Namath sold for $3600 at the show. PSA 6 Jim Browns were over $2000. Other mid grade was 50% over last year.
I never said they hadn't come up so please don't put words in my mouth
I said that pricing was often out of line
Tell me what the last 5 Namath 4s sold for, and let's see if that defends a $2000 asking price for it
Don't change the card, let's start there
And the psa 6 Browns was the asking price - I'm not sure anyone actually saw one sell for that
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
nice goudeys. doubles on the 34 gehrig?
Correct. I knew one was going to be available, and when the 7 was also offered the card was too nice to pass up. The card literally glows with color in person. Plus it gives me some powder if I need to move one to grab another card down the road.
KC
KC, you don't fool around! LOL!
Tim - sold a couple of 56 Mantles which I was not sure I would do before the show, but I picked up another 56 Mantle so it allowed me to move my PSA 7 and 8. I also picked up a Koufax rookie in a PSA 6 which is at PSA for review. Probably move some smaller rookies and unopened in the next couple of weeks once the dust settles.
KC
My collection is stuck on card #86 out of 100 cards. Though...I have my eye on 4 or 5...but it would really hit my Scottrade account which I use to fund my purchases.
I do not know if I told you that my review w/PSA went very well. 4 out of 11 bumped including the Ryan RC to an 8.5...55 Berra to 9...59 Maris to a 9...and a 65 Morgan RC to a 9. I am still holding the other 68 Ryan PSA-8 which has perfect centering both ways on the front of the card...each of the defined borders is 5/64 of an inch.
As for the dinner--I tried to organize 1 last year in Chicago with BBCE and others but ran into a problem night wise. Fridays were bad due to other functions, Weds/Sats bad--lotta people not there or already gone--, so I would say a Thrs if you want to think about it. Christmas decorations will be up in 30 days!!--so next year will be here b4 you know it
thanks again!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
My latest craze (it always changes) is to purchase HOFer's only, again 6-8 PSA grades and the oddball stuff I always liked. Perhaps I need to focus a bit more on vintage 9-10's.
I appreciate all the picts and opinions expressed. Hopefully, I will be there at the National next year for my first trip. It has gone from a want to my bucket list.
To be honest, no direction, but...
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Kendall Cat...Those are very attractive cards. In particular...the Banks has exceptional centering for the issue. Many times...there is little to no white showing between the top edge and Cubs logo. Also...the 7 Gehrig has great eye appeal. Probably...it is worth a review. Did you purchase that card from Hill?
My collection is stuck on card #86 out of 100 cards. Though...I have my eye on 4 or 5...but it would really hit my Scottrade account which I use to fund my purchases.
I do not know if I told you that my review w/PSA went very well. 4 out of 11 bumped including the Ryan RC to an 8.5...55 Berra to 9...59 Maris to a 9...and a 65 Morgan RC to a 9. I am still holding the other 68 Ryan PSA-8 which has perfect centering both ways on the front of the card...each of the defined borders is 5/64 of an inch.
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Thank you for the note and nice comments. On the Banks I actually got that one for Keith Jr - 11 year old who only collects vintage but smart enough to do it with mom and dads $$
The Gehrig's did come from Brady, and he has an incredible eye for stuff. He has PSA 2's and 3's and most if not all have tremendous eye appeal - centering and color are usually dead on. I am still learning as I go, and Jeff, Brady, and Matt C have taught me a ton. Never ise to buy below a PSA 8, and now I am learning to find cards that look better than their technical grade. They look hopefully just as nice and saves a ton of $$ by getting a PSA 6 or 7 versus an 8. Have 3 cards in for review currently, and might try the Gehrig for a bump at some point.
Awesome job on the bumps!! I remembered a while back your telling me about them and hoping to get some of them bumped. Did you try to bump both Ryans or just the one? I remember both were very strong cards with awesome centering. I did pick up a Ryan recently and can always use another
Talk to you soon and great hearing from you.
KC
I did not submit the other Ryan RC thinking it would not bump because of the one corner which I would grade a "7" corner despite perfect centering on the front of the card.
My 8.5 has the better corners and registration....whereas my 8 has the better color and better centering on the bottom of the card (50/50 vs 55/45 on the 8.5). Both cards are perfectly centered side to side.
If a big card comes along that I cannot live without...I would reluctantly sell the "8" Ryan. That could be sooner than later. Right now...I am looking at 5 cards that would nearly deplete my Scottrade account which I do not want to do.
It is great to hear the views from the other side of the table. Here are my takes from the dealer side:
1. the crowd was good. It was rare to find a time when I wasn't busy that I could run to the bathroom or call home to check on the family. There were lines of people waiting to get into the show every morning when we arrived. It was great to see.
2. People were buying. Any concerns that people had about collectors being hesitant to spend money should be eased. I sold tons of cards- By Friday I had to change my display from 36 cards per case to 25 cards per case just to have some quality cards to display. For those wondering what was hot here are some things that I personally sold: 2 Psa 8 Rose rookies (yes rose rookies!!) a 1957 mantle Psa 8.5, 54 Aaron Psa 7, seven Gretzky rookies, three Unitas rookies, five Elway rookies, 4 1960 mantles (8,7.5, 7, 6), 3 56 mantles (8, 7, 5), Psa 8 rookies of Ryan, b rob, Stargell, mccovey, Maris, Gibson, marichal x2, Fisk x 3, Schmidt, bird/magic x2, and Psa 9 rookies of Payton, bench and a few others. Mantles were extremely popular as usual, and I sold quite a few Psa graded 50's/60's Stars.
3. Clemente rookies were cool, but other Clementes weren't.
4. There were a lot of kids there. That was awesome to see.
5. AC as a venue was so-so. I won't be itching for it to be back there mostly because my wife and kids I didn't make the trip because of the location.
6. It was awesome to get to hang with old friends, and meet new ones. The best part of the national is definitely the people. We have so many really good guys in this hobby that sometimes we overlook that and only focus on the bad ones. The group of guys that were at my table were just absolutely incredible guys. I am happy to call them friends, and really really enjoy coming to the show to catch up with them.
Overall, my take is that the hobby is alive and well. I am buying and selling as aggressively as ever, and it was great to see other guys doing the same. It was great talking to all the CU guys that came by. I hope more can make it to Chicago next year. That's all for now,
Jeff
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Was like walking thru in person.
Great summation - by Bounce and KC (Keith).
I Spy Mike. I bet that might be Pam in the blue T-shirt?
Mike, you have eagle eyes. That was Pam.
And I'd like to also say that Bounce and Keith did a great job with their write-up. I unfortunately came back to piles of work and will try to post about my National experience when I get the chance.
And the pictures make the socks look much higher than they really are...honest.
P.S. I did get that restraining order against Bounce. Unfortunately it expires right before next year's National.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
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Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Was like walking thru in person.
Great summation - by Bounce and KC (Keith).
I Spy Mike. I bet that might be Pam in the blue T-shirt?
Mike, you have eagle eyes. That was Pam.
And I'd like to also say that Bounce and Keith did a great job with their write-up. I unfortunately came back to piles of work and will try to post about my National experience when I get the chance.
And the pictures make the socks look much higher than they really are...honest.
P.S. I did get that restraining order against Bounce. Unfortunately it expires right before next year's National.
I will personally provide CPAMike with a batch of Nike Dri Fit low cut socks next year to safe him the harassment on here. Of course if that is his biggest issue going I think he is in good shape!
KC