Can a coin be both Mint error and Variety ?

NiceGuyEddie · April 13, 2016 1:10AM

Can a coin be both Mint error and Variety ? I think this is possible. Does the TPG's recognize them ? Have you ever seen one ? Or do you own one ? If so, please tell us about the coin or your experience. Thanks

commoncents05 · April 13, 2016 1:15AM

Yes, it's possible.

-Paul

ctf_error_coins · April 13, 2016 1:17AM

Yes.

Most varieties are mint errors.

Not all errors are varieties, Major errors are generally unique and never varieties.

oih82w8 · April 13, 2016 2:14AM

Of course, let's keep it simple...1955 Double Die Lincoln Cent is a well known Variety, put in a lamination, a clip, rotated die, etc...and you have a variety and an error. TPGers would recognize it for a fee of course (Variety Attribution $18 plus Error Listing $60).

cmerlo1 · April 13, 2016 2:16AM

Yes- I've cherrypicked several 2000 Wide AM (variety) cents that were also off-center (error).

NiceGuyEddie · April 13, 2016 2:18AM

Thanks to you all for your confirming reply. The reason I asked such a question is I have a 1966 SMS Kennedy no FG variety. On the reverse there appears to be a "struck thru thread" through the head of the eagle. I'm very excited because the "no FG" was caused by over polishing of the dies. And this coin is Proof of that. I have yet to see another like it. Maybe its unique ? I'm waiting on the larger trueviews. sorry for the small image.

ctf_error_coins · April 13, 2016 2:34AM

Oh I see what you are asking, of course you could have a couple of double struck wide AM's 2000 cents in your collection .....

oih82w8 · April 13, 2016 2:57AM

NGE here is the TrueView link so you can get real up close and personal;

http://images.pcgs.com/trueview/80448284

I would resubmit it for Variety Attribution only, the "strike through" is not worth the extra $60 in my opinion and I doubt that it would raise the value.

Adding the Variety makes a BIG jump! $675 PCGS Trends versus $17 without it.

Did you cherrypick this one?

NiceGuyEddie · April 13, 2016 3:28AM

oih82w8, yes the variety is a must for this one. And yes, I did CP this one. (7 bucks shipped). I was hoping that since the Error and Variety could be linked (thread from cloth that polished away the details). This would make more desirable.

oih82w8 · April 13, 2016 3:43AM

Sweet!

ricko · April 13, 2016 4:12AM

Nice find... however I agree that getting the 'strike through' (if that is indeed what it is) certified, is not likely worth the cost. Cheers, RickO

LindeDad · April 13, 2016 4:20AM

Is that variety listed in the newer Cherry Pickers it is not in the old one?

And no proofs were made for that date they are SP or special process coins single strike on a regular planchet.

Did a little looking and find it is listed, making the coin only the 37th if you get it attributed in SP66 rather than one of 1318 as it is now. Don't think you really want to diminish it by getting it classed as a minor error for that small of a strike threw.

TwoKopeiki · April 13, 2016 4:34AM

If you looking at it from a purist point of view - variety means die features that resulted from intentional action (i.e. re-worked dies) and error implies unintentional action that happened as part of die cutting / hubbing / minting process (strike-through, clash, cap, off-center, etc...).

So, yes, you can have an error and a variety.

johnny9434 · April 13, 2016 5:20AM

Originally posted by: oih82w8
Sweet!

the 3 stooges, the original wise guys.

seanq · April 13, 2016 5:21AM

I actually collect Cherrypickers varieties with clips, it's been a while since I went through my holdings but I know I have such Lincoln varieties as the 1909-S/horizontal S, 1936 DDO #1, 1946-S/D, and a couple of the minor 1972 DDO all with clips. I once even cherrypicked an 1897 Snow-1 Indian cent where the seller mentioned the clip but not the 1 sticking out of the neck.

Sean Reynolds

TopographicOceans · April 13, 2016 5:55AM

Sure

Boosibri · April 13, 2016 6:00AM

of course

BillJones · April 13, 2016 6:35AM

Sure. Why not?

One of the more famous examples is "half of an S-79" that Sheldon found in a junk box in Chicago. The piece was a brockage with a normal obverse and an incuse image of the obverse on the reverse. It was also holded.

Sheldon carried it as a pocket piece for several years before he gave it to Homer Downing who was a great large cent collector who died young (40-ish) circa 1950. Since then the former junk box item that Sheldon bought for "a few cents" has sold at auction for 5 figure amounts!

FredWeinberg · April 13, 2016 6:53AM

I think I still have an ANACS AU-55 or 58 or MS-61

1955 Doubled Die Cent with a small rim clip.

It's been 15 years + since I've seen it in my

'old stuff' personal box o' errors.

And, I believe there's one other 55 DD known w/

a rim clip.....

FredWeinberg · April 13, 2016 6:54AM

I think I still have an ANACS AU-55 or 58 or MS-61

1955 Doubled Die Cent with a small rim clip.

It's been 15 years + since I've seen it in my

'old stuff' personal box o' errors.

And, I believe there's one other 55 DD known w/

a rim clip.....

TwoSides2aCoin · April 13, 2016 7:01AM

If Fred says it twice, you can believe it.

seanq · April 13, 2016 11:16AM

Originally posted by: FredWeinberg

I think I still have an ANACS AU-55 or 58 or MS-61

1955 Doubled Die Cent with a small rim clip.

It's been 15 years + since I've seen it in my

'old stuff' personal box o' errors.

And, I believe there's one other 55 DD known w/

a rim clip.....

Fred, I know I at least two other clipped 1955 doubled dies, one was offered for a long time by Ira Stein and I think was in an old white ANACS holder graded AU55. The other I heard about second hand from a fellow collector who saw it in Mike Byers case at an ANA show in Portland. There is also one on a tapered planchet in an ANACS AU holder, unfortunately the taper is right next to the date.

Sean Reynolds

BLUEJAYWAY · April 13, 2016 2:23PM

It looks like the eagle is smoking a cigar, with the reverse "S" figure above the "cigar" being the smoke.

mannie gray · April 13, 2016 2:44PM

Is the coin pictured your half dollar?

If so, I'm not seeing the strike through.

My opinion is the strike through may actually lower the value.

Strike throughs are really common on SMS coins.

FredWeinberg · April 14, 2016 12:34AM

Sean, my coin might be the ANACS AU-55 you mention.

It's in the old, smaller, white ANACS holder, and it could be

an AU-55, not 58 or so like I mentioned yesterday.

I've seen that tapered end piece you mentioned, but not

for a heck of a long time -

I'll have to try to find it now......

NiceGuyEddie · April 14, 2016 2:51PM

Yes it is.
Top of Eagles head into the field. Looks like "thru thread". Its very small. I'm currently awaiting my larger trueviews.

jcping · April 14, 2016 3:51PM

3 leg buffalo ?

oih82w8 · April 14, 2016 9:31PM

Originally posted by: NiceGuyEddie

Yes it is.

Top of Eagles head into the field. Looks like "thru thread". Its very small. I'm currently awaiting my larger trueviews.

Why are you waiting? I posted the link for HUGE TrueView images that were already taken on the 8th post on the first page. Here it is again;

http://images.pcgs.com/trueview/80448284

PerryHall · April 14, 2016 10:01PM

Originally posted by: oih82w8

Of course, let's keep it simple...1955 Double Die Lincoln Cent is a well known Variety, put in a lamination, a clip, rotated die, etc...and you have a variety and an error. TPGers would recognize it for a fee of course (Variety Attribution $18 plus Error Listing $60).

Even without the clip, rotated die, or lamination the 1955 DDO cent is both a variety and a mint error.

Can a coin be both Mint error and Variety ?

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