Finest known AU 58 1802/1 bust dollar
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I have seen (and owned) other PCGS-graded AU58's of this date that would lead me to believe the pictured specimen is NOT the finest known example of an 1802/1 graded AU58.
I only need the Bust Dollar to complete my PCGS Type Set (no gold).
This is a very nice nice dollar!
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No value for the variety? There are stories to be told about why the overdate occurred.
I only need the Bust Dollar to complete my PCGS Type Set (no gold).
This is a very nice nice dollar!
That's not what I said. The intrigue of the overdate itself does add popularity and demand for all of the different die varieties of the 1802/1 overdate. What I was saying is, the piece that is posted is of a specific die pairing that is the most common among the 5 die pairings of 1802/1 dollars, and, accordingly is not worth a premium above any other similarly graded 1802/1 dollar. And, yes, the coin itself is very nice to begin with!
No value for the variety? There are stories to be told about why the overdate occurred.
I only need the Bust Dollar to complete my PCGS Type Set (no gold).
This is a very nice nice dollar!
Yes, there is a premium for the variety. It is built into the price guide, though. Just like other varieties.
I like her but I don't know the market so I'd ask for help on pricing.
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This is an example of the BB-234 die variety, tied for the most common 1802/1 die variety. So there is no variety premium above any other 1802/1 dollar. There are several mint state specimens known of the variety, so it is not the finest known of the variety that would deserve a premium for being #1 in the condition census.
I have seen (and owned) other PCGS-graded AU58's of this date that would lead me to believe the pictured specimen is NOT the finest known example of an 1802/1 graded AU58.
Do you have a picture of one you think is better?
The skinn in this posted coin does not get any better,
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As for this piece I imagine that it will bring a premium for the reasons I stated. It's kind of like the 1801 dollars. Until you have shopped for them, you don't realize that they are harder to find than the other dates around them.
Most PCGS Bust Dollars in AU58 would not make the grade at CAC. So, to answer the OP, I'd suggest compiling a list of all PCGS CAC AU 58 Heraldic Eagle Dollars that have sold at auction in the past year, and compare them to the PCGS price guide. It could be very enlightening.
Why pay a premium for anything in this market. Think discounts for lesser examples.
As I have posted in the past, I have been unable to participate in this "bear market." Every time I bid on something the bids go up the ceiling.
edited to add- It is tough to write finest known AU58...that covers a lot of territory.
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Why pay a premium for anything in this market. Think discounts for lesser examples.
As I have posted in the past, I have been unable to participate in this "bear market." Every time I bid on something the bids go up the ceiling.
I hear you loud and clear and concur.
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money you have the price would likely be lower
Is the contention that this is the finest known AU58 1802/1 $1?
Or that it is the finest known example of this die variety?
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Just from the pictures alone I graded the coin au55 and not 58. I cant grade close to as well as JA but i think originality pushed it for a sticker and not technical grade
I think the OP knows this is the only CAC specimen in AU58 with NONE higher.
Just from the pictures alone I graded the coin au55 and not 58. I cant grade close to as well as JA but i think originality pushed it for a sticker and not technical grade
The CAC population is 2 in AU58 and one higher (TDN's MS64).
This is an example of the BB-234 die variety, tied for the most common 1802/1 die variety. So there is no variety premium above any other 1802/1 dollar. There are several mint state specimens known of the variety, so it is not the finest known of the variety that would deserve a premium for being #1 in the condition census.
I have seen (and owned) other PCGS-graded AU58's of this date that would lead me to believe the pictured specimen is NOT the finest known example of an 1802/1 graded AU58.
Do you have a picture of one you think is better?
The skinn in this posted coin does not get any better,
For comparison, here are my decade-old images of the coin I sold 11 years ago --
To my eyes, this one has a better strike than the one in the first post (look at the complete ribbon and full neck feathers on the eagle), and also lacks the visible rub on the hair and shoulder of Liberty, and the slight high point rub on the chin and eyebrow are less noticeable than on the one in the first post. BTW, this coin sold for $29,900 in June 2005.
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I think the OP knows this is the only CAC specimen in AU58 with NONE higher.
Just from the pictures alone I graded the coin au55 and not 58. I cant grade close to as well as JA but i think originality pushed it for a sticker and not technical grade
The CAC population is 2 in AU58 and one higher (TDN's MS64).
This is an example of the BB-234 die variety, tied for the most common 1802/1 die variety. So there is no variety premium above any other 1802/1 dollar. There are several mint state specimens known of the variety, so it is not the finest known of the variety that would deserve a premium for being #1 in the condition census.
I have seen (and owned) other PCGS-graded AU58's of this date that would lead me to believe the pictured specimen is NOT the finest known example of an 1802/1 graded AU58.
Do you have a picture of one you think is better?
The skin in this posted coin does not get any better,
For comparison, here are my decade-old images of the coin I sold 11 years ago --
To my eyes, this one has a better strike than the one in the first post (look at the complete ribbon and full neck feathers on the eagle), and also lacks the visible rub on the hair and shoulder of Liberty, and the slight high point rub on the chin and eyebrow are less noticeable than on the one in the first post. BTW, this coin sold for $29,900 in June 2005.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I think the OP knows this is the only CAC specimen in AU58 with NONE higher.
Just from the pictures alone I graded the coin au55 and not 58. I cant grade close to as well as JA but i think originality pushed it for a sticker and not technical grade
The CAC population is 2 in AU58 and one higher (TDN's MS64).
This is an example of the BB-234 die variety, tied for the most common 1802/1 die variety. So there is no variety premium above any other 1802/1 dollar. There are several mint state specimens known of the variety, so it is not the finest known of the variety that would deserve a premium for being #1 in the condition census.
I have seen (and owned) other PCGS-graded AU58's of this date that would lead me to believe the pictured specimen is NOT the finest known example of an 1802/1 graded AU58.
Do you have a picture of one you think is better?
The skin in this posted coin does not get any better,
For comparison, here are my decade-old images of the coin I sold 11 years ago --
To my eyes, this one has a better strike than the one in the first post (look at the complete ribbon and full neck feathers on the eagle), and also lacks the visible rub on the hair and shoulder of Liberty, and the slight high point rub on the chin and eyebrow are less noticeable than on the one in the first post. BTW, this coin sold for $29,900 in June 2005.
Technically true but the eye appeal in the OP trumps.
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2) If a coin is worth over $100, I see it and / or someone I trust who knows more than I do sees it, or I'm not interested.
3) From the image, the coin does not appear to have original skin. In buying a Bust $, I waited until I found one with original skin; these coins imo are worth a premium. I would pass on the one in the photo.
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Sweet! This CAC's AU58 went for $18.8k 3 years ago: ha.com
Same coin.
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Sweet! This CAC's AU58 went for $18.8k 3 years ago: ha.com
Same coin.
Oh. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Because it might end up in a MS61 holder first.
I'll take Unc over some extra color.
I would prefer Cardinal's ex-AU58. It may not be the best AU58 though.....why you say?
Because it might end up in a MS61 holder first.
I'll take Unc over some extra color.
Thanks roadrunner! As seen in Heritage's pictures of the coin in the original post, images of coins in slabs can look quite different than images focusing just on the coin itself.
Here are the images of the AU58 I posted earlier -- simple flatbed scans of the coin in its holder during 2002:
I just dug out my CD of the online auction images from the June 2005 sale. (Sadly, the ANR/Stacks/B&M archives from that time were lost.) These focused on the coin itself, and brought out more of the actual color of the coin:
And here is the auction description:
"Light lilac, rose, gold, and pale blue tones grace lustrous surfaces. The reverse is slightly prooflike and shows excellent detail, while the obverse is more frosty. Stars one through four lack centers, but the obverse shows good definition elsewhere. A few nicks on Liberty's throat are noted, some light hairlines and scattered marks elsewhere. Bowers state II, the usual state, with a horizontal die crack from Liberty's bust towards star 13. An appealing high-grade example of this overdate, a coin that will prove a serious challenge to upgrade."
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Here is the original ANR listing of Cardinal's coin.
Thanks John! I thought these were all lost!
But from the pictures posted I still like the coin in the OP.
Really not even close imo.
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