Which would you rather have? Instead an ms61 but an ms60 would it make a difference?

Realone

Wish I knew how to do those polls.
For any classic silver R-6 coin: an original, naturally toned pleasantly with known pedigree but only an au53 pcgs cac or
a blast white and an obviously dipped no pedigree ms61 pcgs example?
Edited title and here: It appears ms61 is not a good choice for comparison, would ms60 be any different?

BustCuds

Would take the toned AU53 anyday

lkeigwin

<< <i>Wish I knew how to do those polls. >>

Here you go, realone.
Lance.

OriginalDan

Well first off you should really confirm that the coin is really an R6. A lotta people think certain coins are rare when in reality they aren't. I can think of a few varieties that fall in this category.

I would go with the AU53, unless it's one of those coins that Doug Winter describes as having bad karma. Then it's basically cursed and would be really hard to unload to the small number of other collectors who might have been interested in it other wise. Avoid such coins at all cost!!!

On the other hand, the white MS61 is probably hairlined, graded in the OGH era when coins like that slid through on occasion and wouldn't possibly straight grade today. A coin like that was most likely already rejected by a bunch of other collectors, so it's not something I would want in my collection.

Really tough call, good luck!

kaz

Having bought, and regretted, a number of blast white dipettes over the years, the au53 seems like a no-brainer to me.

topstuf

MS 61 is a "pity" grade.

Cept for a 1799 Eagle I wish I had kept. Today, I'd expect it to 2 or better. (which isn't a LEAP up, but just sayin)
It was P/L and I.....thought... it would go AU something.

I don't even have a decent image of it. Boo hoo hoo.

Lucanus

I can't imagine anyone choosing the MS61 headlight.

Doug

Boosibri

the 61 can still be worth considerably more than the 53. Not enough info to answer though for a collection, value aside, the 53 sounds better.

jcping

I will take this one "For any classic silver R-6 coin: an original, naturally toned pleasantly with known pedigree"

Broadstruck

AU53 still has enough design details not to have to bother with a albino MS61.

Not a 1836 Reeded Edge 50c by some chance?

Broadstruck

<< <i>MS 61 is a "pity" grade. >>



MS60 can also be a pity grade.

MidLifeCrisis

Realone, I think you know my answer.

oih82w8

Most low end MS coins are usually dogs, being that they are baggy and unattractive, there are exceptions of course. I would rather have the AU53 nine times out of ten.

ricko

Without pictures, a conclusion is based solely on your grade offering ... well that and a comment about tarnish and a dip.... so, although I would not purchase under these conditions....to make a contribution here, I would go with the '61..... in reality, in hand, it may go either way. Cheers, RickO

BillJones

The question is really too general to give an answer. Historically MS and PR-60 have been very rarely assigned grades for whatever reason. Therefore coins in the 60 grade don't have very much impact on the market because there are not enough of them to really make a market. If you are looking at prices to be me the MS-60 numbers apply to MS-61 as well.

MS-61 has often been a grade for a coin that was really an AU in my opinion. These coins can be ugly as sin and less desirable and in my view are worth a lower price than really nice AU-58. To me big marks and spots are much worse sins than a tiny rub.

What it really comes to is eye appeal. If the MS-61 coin has some, then it's worth collecting. If it's ugly, forget it.

Baley

<< <i>Wish I knew how to do those polls.
For any classic silver R-6 coin: an original, naturally toned pleasantly with known pedigree but only an au53 pcgs cac or
a blast white and an obviously dipped no pedigree ms61 pcgs example?
Edited title and here: It appears ms61 is not a good choice for comparison, would ms60 be any different? >>



Are you saying that these coins are the same price? If so, I'd choose the 61.

If not, and they're each at or about at their respective "price guide prices", there's no doubt that of the two, I'd buy the 53.
In fact, I'd probably go for a VF.

Baley

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Have you ever tried clicking the button to create a poll? It's pretty self explanatory after that, once you hit "post message" with the Poll box checked, the poll window opens and you fill in the choices

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asheland

I'd go with eye appeal.

Zoins

<< <i>For any classic silver R-6 coin: an original, naturally toned pleasantly with known pedigree but only an au53 pcgs cac or
a blast white and an obviously dipped no pedigree ms61 pcgs example? >>



Depends on the toning. Could be the AU53 or neither.

Coinosaurus

MS60 is the kiss of death. I would crackout until it downgrades.

winky

<< <i>Would take the toned AU53 anyday >>



I'm with you.

TwoSides2aCoin

I'd have the dipped one temporarily for marketing purposes. I wouldn't feel bad about selling what I don't like so much.
If it were a keeper, it would not be dipped.

BryceM

I would make a mental note of the grade, then actually look at the coins and buy the one I liked the most. Chances are, it wouldn't be the one devoid of character with the barely-there BU mercy grade, but you never know....... depends on the coins.

Stuart

<< I'd go with eye appeal. >>

I agree with Asheland's above quoted post. I've got some AU-53's and MS-61's with high eye-appeal that are either solid for the grade or very conservatively graded, that I'm very pleased with.
By definition, an MS-61 typically lacks eye appeal, but every once-in-a-long while, I find one that I really like... Below are 2 PCGS MS-61's and an AU-53 for your viewing pleasure to illustrate this point.

1846 Seated Liberty Dollar -- PCGS AU-53

PCGS True View - Photo Credit Phil Arnold


1859-O PCGS-61 Seated Liberty Dollar
Heritage Auction Description (Sept 14, 2006): 1859-O $1 MS61 PCGS. Bright luster and rich, variegated champagne, cobalt-blue, and rose-gray toning are the hallmarks of this pleasing Mint State coin. Boldly struck except for areas of isolated weakness, with numerous trivial contact marks that limit the grade.




1873 (Open 3) PCGS MS-61 $20 Gold Liberty (Type 2) Double Eagle

TopographicOceans

I'd go with the one that looks nicest.

I do have one of the elusive MS61's. I was an NGC 62

johnny9434

ill take au 53 or xf 45 any day. just saying

Zoins

Nice looking MS61s!

OriginalDan

<< <i>Thanks for the replies!
I happened to have screwed up and confused two coins.

So in the end it was an au50 pcgs natural and original toned R-6 with no pedigree versus an ms61 pcgs also with no pedigree and blast white. I wonder if with these changes it would make a difference. >>



Riiiiiight.

Instead of being all secretive, how about we hear your own thoughts. It's important to learn to think for yourself in this hobby, make your own assessments and decisions.

BryceM

OriginalDan makes a valid, but perhaps tactless, point. I too would be interested in your own thoughts......

Zoins

I hope you can upgrade your blast white piece soon then

Stuart

Realone: What type of coin is the subject of this thread?

shish

I'm confused The op chooses not provide pictures, in addition he chooses not to disclose the type of coins he is seeking peoples opinions on. He provides only the grades and a brief description along with his preferences. I'm not sure anyone can provide much meaningful insight with the information provided. I enjoyed the beautiful pictures provided by Stuart and TopographicOceans!!!

My humble opinion: "Honesty is the best policy"

shish

Dude, it wasn't a complaint, I stated a few facts. Perhaps posting the commonly used line " This thread is useless without pictures" would have been more effective. But I can't tell you anything you don't know because "all the meaningful insight has already been given" according to you. If your seeking a complaint here is one for you. Often you choose to withholding important information from your posts which often leads to pure speculation. The fact that I know and respect OriginalDan has nothing to do with my post.