The periodical that was misaddressed was definitely sent by the seller. I confronted them and they issued a refund without explanation. Case closed on this one I suppose. Would have been nice to have the coin.
Neg him and watch his auctions. I expect he'll try to sell that coin again at a higher price. He was probably thinking it sold too quickly and was under-priced.
<< <i>The periodical that was misaddressed was definitely sent by the seller. I confronted them and they issued a refund without explanation. Case closed on this one I suppose. Would have been nice to have the coin. >>
<< <i>I was the purchaser. I don't like threads like this >>
Why add insult to injury by outing yourself as the buyer >>
You obviously don't get it. The seller doesn't need to know what the buyer's forum handle is, he/she just needs to see this thread and the multiple people voicing that the coin is worth far more than what it sold for and withdraw the sale.
Also, how is it an insult to reveal yourself as the buyer of an excellent cherry pick? Are you going to put fire to him for "ripping off" the seller?
<< <i>Keep an eye on the seller to see if he sells that coin again. Based on his Ebay history, that's the only coin in his "sold" category, he doesn't sell much and most of his feedback is from purchases. >>
Look again. His feedback history shows many coin sales of high end large cents.
<< <i>Keep an eye on the seller to see if he sells that coin again. Based on his Ebay history, that's the only coin in his "sold" category, he doesn't sell much and most of his feedback is from purchases. >>
Look again. His feedback history shows many coin sales of high end large cents. >>
You are correct. I didn't look down far enough. Those sales were over a year ago. Recently he's had little selling activity other than a few jewelry pieces.
The OP should get a time out on this one. No doubt someone here likely messaged the seller and offered more. Wouldn't be the first time and IIRC years ago someone admitted to doinng just that. Can't remember who that was.
<< <i>The OP should get a time out on this one. No doubt someone here likely messaged the seller and offered more. Wouldn't be the first time and IIRC years ago someone admitted to doinng just that. Can't remember who that was. >>
It certainly wasn't my intention to hurt the sale and I absolutely did not contact the seller and offer anything. Just came across the auction and was blown away by what I thought was an extraordinarily under-priced coin. But, the early bird gets the worm.
<< <i>The periodical that was misaddressed was definitely sent by the seller. I confronted them and they issued a refund without explanation. Case closed on this one I suppose. Would have been nice to have the coin. >>
I don't get it. >>
They sent a periodical (from their company) to a random address is my town instead of sending a package to me.
Wow, that is really too bad for zas107. Maybe the mods should proactively delete premature threads like this one. Same deal for obvious cherrypicks that haven't been delivered yet. Maybe a new forum rule could be added about posting links to items that sold less than 7 days ago? You should be able to post it yourself, if you choose, but someone else ought not to blow your cover. It's like playing in a poker game where someone announces out loud that you've got pocket aces.
Edited to add that the OP gets a one time pass from me, considering he didn't mean any harm and this is hardly the first time this situation came up on the forum. Mistakes happen.
If the OP says he would have paid triple, starting a thread that says that, how can we believe he also didn't follow through with contacting the seller and trying to buy said coin?
<< <i>It certainly wasn't my intention to hurt the sale and I absolutely did not contact the seller and offer anything. Just came across the auction and was blown away by what I thought was an extraordinarily under-priced coin. But, the early bird gets the worm. >>
In this case, because of your actions, the seller told the bird to f off, and shoved the worm back in the hole.
You really screwed over zas107, at the very least, you owe him a public apology.
I second making a new rule that says ebay completed listings shouldn't be posted for at least a week after they wrap up, this is what? The third time this summer somebody has been screwed by this? Post something, get a month to think about what ya did. >>
Is the NFL running this investigation? Where is the proof that this thread was the cause of the seller reneging? Maybe the fact that the coin was listed for about 20 minutes tipped him off. Whatever the case, I do agree that the thread should not have been posted for at least a week or two after the sale date. The OP made a mistake, has been contrite about it, and I'm betting he won't do it again. Why not cut the dude some slack?
<< <i>I was the purchaser. I don't like threads like this >>
Why add insult to injury by outing yourself as the buyer >>
You obviously don't get it. The seller doesn't need to know what the buyer's forum handle is, he/she just needs to see this thread and the multiple people voicing that the coin is worth far more than what it sold for and withdraw the sale.
Also, how is it an insult to reveal yourself as the buyer of an excellent cherry pick? Are you going to put fire to him for "ripping off" the seller? >>
I do get it. IMO there are only 2 reasons to report this thread to the seller.
1. He is a friend and you hate to see a friend leave $$ on the table.
2. By outing yourself as the buyer you take the risk that someone here doesn't like you for whatever reason and contacts the seller just to spite you, hence the "adding insult to injury".
3. I guess trying to buy it out from under the auction winner would be a 3rd reason.
It sucks that the coin is not going to the bidder.
HOWEVER, calling the OP names because he started the thread, with no nefarious intent, is childish and stupid to do. Saying there should be a "new rule" put in place is also stupid, imho. Enough with rules on rules. It was a faux paus and that's all it was.
Also, there is NO PROOF that it was due to this thread that this happened. Someone else, on ebay, could have seen it and offered the seller more $$$. The seller could have realized it after the fact as well.
There ARE other explanations and no proof it was the OP's fault. People need to put their "holier than thou", "create another rule", "wah wah wah" pitchforks away.
It sucks, it happened, it is what it is. At least, small solace, no one is out money due to theft/fake/scam/etc.
<< <i>Why can't we make a forum rule that no member is allowed to post an ebay sale until the item is shipped and/or received or lets say after a week has gone by. I have often said as others that, posting it here just about kills the odds of the winning bidder receving their coin. Would anyone here post it so soon if they were the winner? >>
You can create that rule. Go create your own forum and make whatever rules you want. PCGS/CU doesn't provide the forum to police ebay purchases or discussions about them. Sheesh
<< <i>I think the OP should be ashamed of himself, very poor judgement >>
Mistake yes within the generally accepted context of forum etiquette. Ashamed... no intent by the OP. Time to move on to more enlightening numismatic discussions of eBay fakes and PayPal policy complaining don't you think?
I apologize if I in any way caused for this transaction to fall apart. I would not buy the coin now for any price. I will certainly refrain from any more posts such as this.
<< <i>Why does the seller still have a 100% rating. Did the winning bidder not neg him as of yet? >>
Ebay disallows leaving neutral or negative rating until a minimum amount of time has passed since the auction ends to allow for resolution of problems. After that minimum time, neutral and negative feedback can be left. My guess is that that time hasn't passed yet for the buyer.
If I were you I'd raise that issue with eBay. Using that fake tracking number is really mail fraud. If you would have opened an Item Not Received case, he could have easily kept your money and eBay would side with him because he could provide a tracking number that showed it was delivered.
He was a weasel enough to not ship your coin, but got scared about outright stealing your money.
There's an easy rule of thumb on things like this...
1. If it's your rip, keep your mouth shut until you have it in hand. You only potentially hurt yourself by talking about it prematurely and have yourself to blame for the consequences. 2. If it's not your rip, keep your mouth shut, period...or if you can't do that, at least wait a couple weeks before talking about it, so something like this doesn't happen (and if it does anyway, you at least know you aren't the reason).
As to our hosts making a rule about it...it's not their responsibility to check referenced eBay listings to see if enough time's elapsed, or to police common sense.
All that said, folks shouldn't be too harsh on OP, who obviously made an honest mistake. No one here knows for sure that this thread was the proximal cause of Zas losing his coin (though the timing sure makes it appear so).
<< <i>Why can't we make a forum rule that no member is allowed to post an ebay sale until the item is shipped and/or received or lets say after a week has gone by. I have often said as others that, posting it here just about kills the odds of the winning bidder receving their coin. Would anyone here post it so soon if they were the winner? >>
I practice this...I have a few lay-a-way coins (not eBay) that I am just about to burst wanting to share with the forum.
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I really feel sorry for what happened to Zas. The coin is worth more than $700 despite the fact that it will never get a straight grade from the "big two" grading services.
Those who thought that this coin sucked for the original price have never shopped for decent looking Classic Head cents. Once they get into the no problem high grades, they cost a fortune.
I had this one in my collection for a long time. It got body bagged when I tried to get it graded. It was a really nice coin. The old ANACS did grade it AU-50, and I sold it when I was a dealer to another dealer who was going to try it again. I lost a few hundred dollars on it.
The one in my collection now is graded, but it's not as nice. It's got a scratch on the obverse. All of this soured me on the type. It came from a "name" EAC die variety collection of large cents.
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I think the seller got a message when he listed it for a 30-day BIN and it sold within the first 20 minutes. If that happened to me, I'd certainly wonder if I priced it high enough.
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that ebay id is familiar.
isnt he a well-known seller?
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You are probably thinking of key-date-rare-coins who is an upstanding seller.
<< <i>The periodical that was misaddressed was definitely sent by the seller. I confronted them and they issued a refund without explanation. Case closed on this one I suppose. Would have been nice to have the coin. >>
I don't get it.
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<< <i>I was the purchaser. I don't like threads like this
Why add insult to injury by outing yourself as the buyer >>
You obviously don't get it. The seller doesn't need to know what the buyer's forum handle is, he/she just needs to see this thread and the multiple people voicing that the coin is worth far more than what it sold for and withdraw the sale.
Also, how is it an insult to reveal yourself as the buyer of an excellent cherry pick? Are you going to put fire to him for "ripping off" the seller?
<< <i>Keep an eye on the seller to see if he sells that coin again. Based on his Ebay history, that's the only coin in his "sold" category, he doesn't sell much and most of his feedback is from purchases. >>
Look again. His feedback history shows many coin sales of high end large cents.
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<< <i>Keep an eye on the seller to see if he sells that coin again. Based on his Ebay history, that's the only coin in his "sold" category, he doesn't sell much and most of his feedback is from purchases. >>
Look again. His feedback history shows many coin sales of high end large cents. >>
You are correct. I didn't look down far enough. Those sales were over a year ago. Recently he's had little selling activity other than a few jewelry pieces.
<< <i>The OP should get a time out on this one. No doubt someone here likely messaged the seller and offered more. Wouldn't be the first time and IIRC years ago someone admitted to doinng just that. Can't remember who that was. >>
It certainly wasn't my intention to hurt the sale and I absolutely did not contact the seller and offer anything. Just came across the auction and was blown away by what I thought was an extraordinarily under-priced coin. But, the early bird gets the worm.
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<< <i>The periodical that was misaddressed was definitely sent by the seller. I confronted them and they issued a refund without explanation. Case closed on this one I suppose. Would have been nice to have the coin. >>
I don't get it. >>
They sent a periodical (from their company) to a random address is my town instead of sending a package to me.
Edited to add that the OP gets a one time pass from me, considering he didn't mean any harm and this is hardly the first time this situation came up on the forum. Mistakes happen.
It really stinks for 'zas107' that his great cherrypick was mentioned on a popular public coin board the very same day it was sold.
Very poor judgement.
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If the OP says he would have paid triple, starting a thread that says that, how can we believe he also didn't follow through with contacting the seller and trying to buy said coin?
No, we do not need more rules! Less jealously maybe.
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<< <i>It certainly wasn't my intention to hurt the sale and I absolutely did not contact the seller and offer anything. Just came across the auction and was blown away by what I thought was an extraordinarily under-priced coin. But, the early bird gets the worm. >>
In this case, because of your actions, the seller told the bird to f off, and shoved the worm back in the hole.
You really screwed over zas107, at the very least, you owe him a public apology.
I second making a new rule that says ebay completed listings shouldn't be posted for at least a week after they wrap up, this is what? The third time this summer somebody has been screwed by this? Post something, get a month to think about what ya did. >>
Is the NFL running this investigation? Where is the proof that this thread was the cause of the seller reneging?
Maybe the fact that the coin was listed for about 20 minutes tipped him off. Whatever the case, I do agree that
the thread should not have been posted for at least a week or two after the sale date. The OP made a mistake,
has been contrite about it, and I'm betting he won't do it again. Why not cut the dude some slack?
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<< <i>I was the purchaser. I don't like threads like this
Why add insult to injury by outing yourself as the buyer >>
You obviously don't get it. The seller doesn't need to know what the buyer's forum handle is, he/she just needs to see this thread and the multiple people voicing that the coin is worth far more than what it sold for and withdraw the sale.
Also, how is it an insult to reveal yourself as the buyer of an excellent cherry pick? Are you going to put fire to him for "ripping off" the seller? >>
I do get it. IMO there are only 2 reasons to report this thread to the seller.
1. He is a friend and you hate to see a friend leave $$ on the table.
2. By outing yourself as the buyer you take the risk that someone here doesn't like you for whatever reason and contacts the seller just to spite you, hence the "adding insult to injury".
3. I guess trying to buy it out from under the auction winner would be a 3rd reason.
<< <i>But, the early bird gets the worm. >>
Now...
HOWEVER, calling the OP names because he started the thread, with no nefarious intent, is childish and stupid to do.
Saying there should be a "new rule" put in place is also stupid, imho. Enough with rules on rules. It was a faux paus and that's all it was.
Also, there is NO PROOF that it was due to this thread that this happened. Someone else, on ebay, could have seen it and offered the seller more $$$. The seller could have realized it after the fact as well.
There ARE other explanations and no proof it was the OP's fault. People need to put their "holier than thou", "create another rule", "wah wah wah" pitchforks away.
It sucks, it happened, it is what it is. At least, small solace, no one is out money due to theft/fake/scam/etc.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Why can't we make a forum rule that no member is allowed to post an ebay sale until the item is shipped and/or received or lets say after a week has gone by. I have often said as others that, posting it here just about kills the odds of the winning bidder receving their coin. Would anyone here post it so soon if they were the winner? >>
You can create that rule. Go create your own forum and make whatever rules you want. PCGS/CU doesn't provide the forum to police ebay purchases or discussions about them. Sheesh
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>No hard feelings here towards the OP. I don't think this thread was the reason for the item not arriving. >>
Why, then, do you think the coin didn't arrive? You think shipping you a pamphlet instead of $2000 free dollars was a coincidence?
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<< <i>I think the OP should be ashamed of himself, very poor judgement >>
Mistake yes within the generally accepted context of forum etiquette. Ashamed... no intent by the OP. Time to move on to more enlightening numismatic discussions of eBay fakes and PayPal policy complaining don't you think?
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If not for this thread we wouldn't have known that this Seller was someone to avoid...
As who wants to deal with a Seller who plays mickey mouse games intentionally mailing out something else?
<< <i>The OP had no way of knowing someone here bought it and it wasn't done to sabotage the sale
If not for this thread we wouldn't have known that this Seller was someone to avoid...
As who wants to deal with a Seller who plays mickey mouse games intentionally mailing out something else?
Couldn't agree more.
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<< <i>Why does the seller still have a 100% rating. Did the winning bidder not neg him as of yet? >>
Ebay disallows leaving neutral or negative rating until a minimum amount of time has passed since the auction ends to allow for resolution of problems. After that minimum time, neutral and negative feedback can be left. My guess is that that time hasn't passed yet for the buyer.
If I were you I'd raise that issue with eBay. Using that fake tracking number is really mail fraud.
If you would have opened an Item Not Received case, he could have easily kept your money and eBay would side with him because he could provide a tracking number that showed it was delivered.
He was a weasel enough to not ship your coin, but got scared about outright stealing your money.
Either way, def looks like a 2K+ coin and would be curious to see it up and running again, on eBay- perhaps with another handle.
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1. If it's your rip, keep your mouth shut until you have it in hand. You only potentially hurt yourself by talking about it prematurely and have yourself to blame for the consequences.
2. If it's not your rip, keep your mouth shut, period...or if you can't do that, at least wait a couple weeks before talking about it, so something like this doesn't happen (and if it does anyway, you at least know you aren't the reason).
As to our hosts making a rule about it...it's not their responsibility to check referenced eBay listings to see if enough time's elapsed, or to police common sense.
All that said, folks shouldn't be too harsh on OP, who obviously made an honest mistake. No one here knows for sure that this thread was the proximal cause of Zas losing his coin (though the timing sure makes it appear so).
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i read most but not all posts to this thread and dont recall anyone stating that the seller never had the item or an account hijack.
by what the buyer said they received, if anything, smells fishy to me but i dont care either way cuz i wont know anyway.
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i read most but not all posts to this thread and dont recall anyone stating that the seller never had the item or an account hijack.
by what the buyer said they received, if anything, smells fishy to me but i dont care either way cuz i wont know anyway.
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I don't believe that the buyer received ANYTHING. The tracking number was for something sent to another address/box # at his P.O.
<< <i>Why can't we make a forum rule that no member is allowed to post an ebay sale until the item is shipped and/or received or lets say after a week has gone by. I have often said as others that, posting it here just about kills the odds of the winning bidder receving their coin. Would anyone here post it so soon if they were the winner? >>
I practice this...I have a few lay-a-way coins (not eBay) that I am just about to burst wanting to share with the forum.
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Those who thought that this coin sucked for the original price have never shopped for decent looking Classic Head cents. Once they get into the no problem high grades, they cost a fortune.
I had this one in my collection for a long time. It got body bagged when I tried to get it graded. It was a really nice coin. The old ANACS did grade it AU-50, and I sold it when I was a dealer to another dealer who was going to try it again. I lost a few hundred dollars on it.
The one in my collection now is graded, but it's not as nice. It's got a scratch on the obverse. All of this soured me on the type. It came from a "name" EAC die variety collection of large cents.
Very poor.
He might have looked at it when he was getting ready to ship and decided - Hey I'm not selling this for $700.
But I still think the fake tracking # BS needs to be explained to eBay.
<< <i>I don't believe that the buyer received ANYTHING. The tracking number was for something sent to another address/box # at his P.O. >>
i thought the buyer received a flyer about not being scammed or something ironic like that. could be another thread im thinking of.
i read/post to a lot of threads. most i read 100% of the posts, so my brain gets a little bogged from time-to-time.
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