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help grade this unc. 1936 buffalo nickel (carbon spots)

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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help me grade this unc. 1936 buff
carbon spots will limit the grade
just won this on ebay and it is on the way

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  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    the coin has nice reflective fields but one has to wonder how the coin looks in hand. The grade is genuine if in a slab - BU details but the black corrosion spots are a killer in that they can not be removed as they are etched in the surface.

    The 1936 save for the 38d is one of the most available Buffalo's in high grade.

    Return this one and buy a nice 65 there not that expensive and can often be found on the BST.
  • AthenaAthena Posts: 439 ✭✭✭
    Try some MS70 to remove the carbon. Good luck! image
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great Southern Coins = problem coins

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Details only for Environmental damage. Will not grade.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When a spotting issue like that looks serious enough to warrant more than a 2 point MS grade deduction and the coin is generic, it stands a good chance of being killed (coming back as genuine). 61-62 or genuine, based on those images.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    I really think you should focus on market dynamics as much as numismatic theories. While there is nothing wrong with your intrests, knowing how, when, where and what to buy is as important as choosing a focus.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm...

    This is a very common date that is virtually never seen fully struck. In my life I can only remember seeing three examples of business strikes with this much detail. As a result, my first impression is that the coin is a PROOF!!!
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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had a proof like this, was even in a cam holder. but was speckled to death with carbon. Thought I had got it at such a good price to re-sale, but it was a tough sale , nobody wanted such a spotted coin. barley made it out alive.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    fingers crossed for you that it is what you're hoping it to be
    and it lands in a no problem holder

    to me
    this could be a satin proof you won
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great Southern Coins = problem coins >>



    +1

    The coin is probably cleaned
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a satin proof to me.
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Post pics after you receive it.

    Carbon spots? Showstopper to me from the GSC pics.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    GC are many things but stupid isn't one of them.
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    to shamika, jdimmick, lasvegasteddy and koynekwest

    yep, you guys had the answer I was looking for.
    i think it is a satin proof too.
    It is in the mail and wending its way up to me right now.
    It will go to pcgs in a group of 8 coins I have ready to go.
    I think the fact that it has the carbon spots masked its proof status.
    The first thing that draws your attention is the spots. Which to my knowledge
    cannot be safely removed. so i would give it a proof-61 or proof-62,
    nothing higher.
    I will post the photo of the slab, one way or another, when it comes back.
    thanks for your input.
    AS SOON AS IT ARRIVES I WILL POST MY OWN PICTURES HERE.
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've owned a couple of fully struck business strikes for the date but this one has that little extra that makes me think it's a proof.
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really hammered strike. Rims look really sharp. I vote proof but too bad about the spots.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Must be that GSC is giving away proof buffaloes this past month. Couple of weeks ago it was also Buffnixx on a potential matte proof in another thread. Now this one.

    1913 Matte Proof buff?

    Can't the photographer adjust the parameters to make a coin more proof-like that it really is?
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  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Great Southern Coins"...Run, Forest, Run!

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  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
    Sat proof and I would call PCGS restoration to see if they can do anything. I would not rule out saving the coin 100%
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great Southern Coins = problem coins >>



    Yea, I was thinking the same thing. But BUFFNIXX may have gotten the better of them this time.






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  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Too bad about the spots, that is a great coin !!

    Hopefully the carbon spots can be resolved somehow.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, Tom, if you cherried those fine folks at GSC they sure had it coming. It's good to see the tables turned for a change with that bunch.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If ya want my honest opinion of this Buff I'll give it to ya...It's ugly. I would passed on this one. In fact I would not even give it a look if I were looking for this date. The reason is there are sooooooo many better ones of the same date and I don't trust this seller.
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    to crazyhounddog
    but if this comes back a proof-61 or perhaps proof-62 wasnt it worth the 58 bucks?
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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    got this from them about a year ago.

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    cannot be all that bad?
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting thread......

    Do keep us informed, K?
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,986 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>to crazyhounddog
    but if this comes back a proof-61 or perhaps proof-62 wasnt it worth the 58 bucks? >>



    YES quite so. And I sure hope it does. I have a problem with this outfit and when I say I don't trust them it's an understatement! I don't trust their imaging, I don't trust that I would even receive the coin I purchased from them. I have some friends that have purchased from them and none of their story's are good ones. I even took a chance with a BEAUTIFUL 25-d Buff that turned out to be whizzed. So, with that said I wish you all the luck in the world as I think you'll need it. I also hope you turn the tables on them as they sure have screwed a LOT of good folks over.
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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hope you score and it works out to your advantage as well!
    My past experiences echo what some prior posts have hinted at.
    As for the Buff purchased a yesr ago. May want to check it again.
    I have one that went super dark on me....
    Same seller... Burnt and I won't be back...
    Skeptical- yes...
    Hopeful for you though!

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    to nwcoast

    the 13 type one posted herein i got from them over a year ago and the color seems fine right now but it will be on the way to pcgs as soon as the 1936 comes in which I would think
    might be tuesday. lets just sit back and see what pcgs says, but i really think both the 1913 and 1936 are proofs. Time will tell. Thanks for everyones interest and i do appreciate
    the comments. Whatever the results are they will be posted here, i mean actual photos of the slabs.
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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly not something I would buy or bid on but if its a diamond in the rough go for it.
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with crazyhounddog.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,263 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first thought was proof...

    Not my series.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To cyrpto79

    Couild you please explain to me the following post you made! I am lost in the verbiage.??
    "I really think you should focus on market dynamics as much as numismatic theories. While there is nothing wrong with your intrests, knowing how, when, where and what to buy is as important as choosing a focus."

    -------------------------
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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice score on those 2 nickels

    when you submit them, are you going to get 'Tru-Views'?
    collectors club quarterly special allows 5

    I looked at great southern pics of 1936 nickels, and they all look the same pretty much
    I suspect some of the pics may be 'stock photos'
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Business strike with juiced pics IMO. GSC is notorious for them. An exceptional coin would have been sent in by them long before appearing on eBay.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just picked up the coin (took almost a week to get here!) and it IS the coin in the initial set of pix, and looks better than the photos.
    Definitely a satin finish proof, I would grade 62 or 63 because of the carbon spots.
    But it is totally original and has never been fussed with.
    I will post my own pictures here later today when I have some time.
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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I just picked up the coin (took almost a week to get here!) and it IS the coin in the initial set of pix, and looks better than the photos.
    Definitely a satin finish proof, I would grade 62 or 63 because of the carbon spots.
    But it is totally original and has never been fussed with.
    I will post my own pictures here later today when I have some time. >>



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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are my pictures....

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    Actually, GSCs pictures are better than mine, which are a bit washed out. But my camera does tend to minimize the carbon spots for some reason. I would give it a 62 and off it will go to pcgs tomorrow or Sat at the very latest.

    One other thing. This coin came in an old style PVC soft plastic flip. Would that type of a flip caused the
    carbon spotting to start? Just wondering.
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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did you send them in yet?

    Are you just grading first, or start with restoration?
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    just going with grading.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>To cyrpto79

    Couild you please explain to me the following post you made! I am lost in the verbiage.??
    "I really think you should focus on market dynamics as much as numismatic theories. While there is nothing wrong with your intrests, knowing how, when, where and what to buy is as important as choosing a focus."

    ------------------------- >>



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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look forward to the results of your submission..... too bad about the carbon spots.. Cheers, RickO
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Barring what I consider ED (environmental damage), a PCGS label would say "not gradeable". And that's how MY EYES see the coin.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know one thing this seller takes Very good photos. Hope it works out for you a lot of spots. image


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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    Steve -- I will certainly post the photo of the slab. I have a shipment of 8 coins going to pcgs.
    all coins were crackouts as follows --
    1) 1913 type one buff, the former nnc ms66 piece which we are talking about here.
    2) 1915-p former pci ms65, really nice coin
    3) 1916-p former ntc ms65, really nice coin
    4) 1916-d former pci ms65, reall nice
    5) 1916-s former pci ms65, real nice
    6) 1935 former nnc ms65
    7) 1937 raw coin fully prooflike, one of nicest business strikes I have ever seen for this date.
    8) 1985-d lincoln cent which to me looks like an ms69, i really think it could should go 68! worth taking a chance.

    Wonder what the turn around time will be for a regular submission, think it is supposed to be in house for 30 days.

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    Edited: Saturday February 07, 2015 at 1:06 PM by BUFFNIXX


    OK BUFFNIXX, Here we are on Wednesday, February 25th and during the past few weeks you have posted a number of threads here on the Coin Forum about these eight coins you will be sending off to PCGS for grading. Each has an interesting story and you have gotten a lot of attention here. So my question to you is very simple. Have you ACTUALLY sent the coins to PCGS yet for grading? If yes, have you received confirmation from PCGS that the coins have been received? We really wish you good luck in your attempts to get the coins graded BUT, to my mind, it should be more important to you and your own creditability to ACTUALLY respond to this Coin forum with the results from PCGS. I think a fair timeframe is by April 15th. Steveimage
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any word yet?
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>Any word yet? >>



    does anyone with a shred of Numismatic credibility think that this has even a 1% chance of ending well?
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Any word yet? >>



    does anyone with a shred of Numismatic credibility think that this has even a 1% chance of ending well? >>




    I don't have a shred of Numismatic credibility but think it has a greater than 25% chance of ending well on at least one of them. The edges and rims are not easily seen in pictures but more so in hand. I also am always looking for cherrypicks, and frequently lose but I keep on looking. You need to keep the dream alive....
  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Any word yet? >>



    does anyone with a shred of Numismatic credibility think that this has even a 1% chance of ending well? >>



    I'm 99% certain PCGS will make money on this submission. image
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they are in transit
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