cherrypicked a gem 1913 type one buffalo nickel proof

BUFFNIXX · February 1, 2015 10:03PM

I was looking at two slabbed ms66 1913 type one buffs that I got over a year ago and was shocked to discover that one was a no question gem matte proof reposing in an ms66 holder! I got it off of ebay over a year ago and there were over 30 bids on the coin and I was lucky enough to win. The auction had large photos. I remember at the time thinking that it was one of the nicest business strikes I had ever seen. When it came I did not look at it that closely and just set it aside with the second ms66 I had gotten previously in the same slab. But I was looking at the coins with a very high powered glass yesterday and was amazed that I did not notice this last year.
Some photos are also included herein. The coins has it all, squared rims, full strike, sandy matte surfaces all over. Sometines you just get lucky, or as someone said once "Sometimes you get the bear, and othertimes the bear gets you!".
No doubt abount this piece. It will go to pcgs in a day or two. One final note, my camera does not really do justice to this piece.

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what follows is the picture that was used in the ebay auction of the above coin which were my pics,
I cannot take photos as well as GSC.......

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BillJones · February 1, 2015 10:12PM

Certifying a Matte Proof Buffalo Nickel can be a tough call. One of the distinguishing characteristics of this coin is that the rim has been bright and shiny like a brilliant Proof nickel. It should not be matte like the obverse and reverse of the piece.

You might do well to crack this piece out and examine the rim. I'm not saying that it isn't a Matte Proof, but you should take that step to make sure. Dave Bowers made a point about this some years ago.

Here is a certified piece that I have. It was originally in an old NGC holder, and they were kind enough to re-holder it for me free of charge so that I could see the rim.

BUFFNIXX · February 1, 2015 10:16PM

to bill jones.
Thanks for the info. I was able to "crack it out" by just flexing the holder and then the two shell seperated so I was able to examine the rims and edge. It is all there.

messydesk · February 1, 2015 10:27PM

<< One of the distinguishing characteristics of this coin is that the rim has been bright and shiny like a brilliant Proof nickel... >>

I assume you mean edge (the part of the coin that contacts the collar) and not the rim (the outermost, raised part of each side).

ricko · February 1, 2015 10:30PM

Wow....nice find and gorgeous Buff.... Congratulations....Cheers, RickO

BillJones · February 1, 2015 10:32PM

<< 

<< One of the distinguishing characteristics of this coin is that the rim has been bright and shiny like a brilliant Proof nickel... >>

I assume you mean edge (the part of the coin that contacts the collar) and not the rim (the outermost, raised part of each side). >>

Yes, edge ... wrong terminolog.

Wabbit2313 · February 1, 2015 11:08PM

The only time in history an NNC coin was worth more than the grade assigned. I love it!!

MonsterCoinz · February 2, 2015 12:08AM

centsles is a self slabber and I've been burned by them. NNC is not even a joke, it's trash.

BUFFNIXX · February 2, 2015 12:27AM

This coin was already slabbed when I got it. Did not come from cEntlEs
EDIT -- MY MISTAKE HERE, GOT THIS COIN RAW FROM GREAT SOUTHERN AND THEN SENT IT TO NNC TO SEE IF I COULD GET AN MS68 OR MS69 OUT OF IT!!, IT LOOKS THAT GOOD!! CANNOT REALLY FIGURE OUT WHY I DID NOT NOTICE THAT IT WAS A PROOF WHEN I GOT IT. THE PHOTOS SUPPLIED BY GREAT SOUTHERN ARE ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN GET, AND CLEARLY SHOW, TO ME ANYWAY, THAT THE COIN IS A PROOF. WHEN IT CAME BACK FROM GRADING I WAS PI@@ED THAT IT ONLY GO A 66! DO NOT ASK MY WHY I SENT IT WHERE I DID.
(ONCE NTC HAD TWO MS69 GRADED BUFFS ON EBAY AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANOTHER BUFF GRADED MS69 BY ANYONE)

OnWithTheHunt · February 2, 2015 2:37AM

<< The only time in history an NNC coin was worth more than the grade assigned. I love it!! >>

Not the only time. I got an unattributed 1917-D Buffalo 3-1/2 legger off eBay that was in an NNC slab about 10 years ago graded MS-62. Cracked it out and sent it to PCGS. It came back as an AU-58, but last time I checked, it was listed a tied for 4th best known, so I figure I came out ahead.
Great looking 13s, by the way. Congrats.

WaterSport · February 2, 2015 3:18AM

Great discovery!

I recall that Centles did win the first PCGS grading contest a few years back with a perfect score.?..But that does not mean he can tell a Matte Proof from a Business Strike!

Keep us posted on the outcome.

WS

MrScience · February 2, 2015 3:22AM

Isn't this what has been termed a "self-cherrypick" since you discovered that it was a proof after buying the coin?

In any event, congrats!

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Wabbit2313 · February 2, 2015 3:57AM

<< 

<< I recall that Centles did win the first PCGS grading contest a few years back with a perfect score.?. >>

If this really happened, that makes what he does all the more criminal. >>

lasvegasteddy · February 2, 2015 4:17AM

<<< has a you suck in reserve until i see this in a proof holder

right on and my best wishes to ya on this as this is "HUGE"...to me anyways
to buy a buff as a business strike that actually is a proof....yeah...this is huge !!!!!!!!!!!!

vplite99 · February 2, 2015 4:53AM

<< centsles is a self slabber and I've been burned by them. NNC is not even a joke, it's trash. >>

That was my one-time (and of course last time) experience. Worthless 3rd party grader. I guess there are always exceptions.

Nice pics - thanks.

Type2 · February 2, 2015 5:05AM

A Very nice if or if not A matt

Wolf359 · February 2, 2015 5:07AM

Cantleses?

Can't tell either?

HearingDr · February 2, 2015 5:41AM

There has to be a great deal of satisfaction in an NNC cherry pick. Maybe NNC will re-grade as ProofDCAM70+*+. I think that is a recognized grade in the self slabber world? No?

crypto79 · February 2, 2015 7:55AM

I will be absolutely shocked if that comes back a proof. If I am not mistaken the OP has a few coins he proclaims to be proofs that clearly are not and I have little faith in the diagnosis. Not that I don't wish him luck, I just think it isn't likely.

Davideo · February 2, 2015 8:29AM

<< 

<< I recall that Centles did win the first PCGS grading contest a few years back with a perfect score.?. >>

If this really happened, that makes what he does all the more criminal. >>

Seriously...

BUFFNIXX · February 2, 2015 8:39AM

to crypto79
I will post picture of pcgs slab when it comes back.

luckybucks · February 2, 2015 8:50AM

Score !!!!!

That is one mighty fine buffalo !!

crypto79 · February 2, 2015 8:50AM

<< to crypto79
I will post picture of pcgs slab when it comes back. >>

Good luck, I mean that

kaz · February 2, 2015 8:55AM

I hope it's a proof! Pretty exciting find.

koynekwest · February 2, 2015 8:56AM

I was able to do the same thing with a SEGS MS64 1916 nine years ago. I cracked it out and it now resides in a PCGS PR65 slab. I also know of (and now own) a 1913 Var 1 that was in an NGC MS65 slab and is now in a PCGS PR65 slab as well. These things certainly do happen. Good luck with yours, Tom.

winky · February 2, 2015 9:02AM

Love those Buffalo's. Beautiful.

coindeuce · February 2, 2015 9:32AM

Just a friendly reminder, that the principal of the TPG that most recently had plastic wrapped around your coin has that silly habit of breaking coins out of top tier TPG holders and making them upgrade, or just plain grade in his very own brand of holder, for motives that have been discussed here ad nauseum. I see a very slim chance that the coin previously resided in a top tier TPG holder while mis-attributed as a business strike rather than a Proof. But good luck anyway ! Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I don't see the legend/motto lettering or date numerals showing the characteristics of a Proof coin.

Nap · February 2, 2015 10:17AM

The hen is the wisest of all animals, for she never cackles until after the egg is laid

lostincoins · February 2, 2015 10:22AM

<< The only time in history an NNC coin was worth more than the grade assigned. I love it!! >>

I can't believe this slipped by him it is so senseless to let this happen LOL

BUFFNIXX · February 3, 2015 2:51AM

I would like to point the readers of this thread to the following thread I created on January 10, 2010 titled "1916 matte proof Lincoln sold by Heritage on January 6 2007".
Here is a case where one of the major TPG's slabbed a business strike as a proof, just as we have here. If you would like to read, put the year 2007 in the search bar, search on it,
and then go to the third page. It will be at the top of the third page, first line right now. It is worth a read. Most of the contributors to this thread including myself thought
a mistake had been made here. A pretty expensive mistake. There are a lot of good pix in the thread.

roadrunner · February 3, 2015 5:10AM

<< I will be absolutely shocked if that comes back a proof. If I am not mistaken the OP has a few coins he proclaims to be proofs that clearly are not and I have little faith in the diagnosis. Not that I don't wish him luck, I just think it isn't likely. >>

Me too. Centles is not stupid. And as mentioned above, he's one of the sharper graders out there. The odds are slim that he messed up on a matte proof buff. Any dealer worth their salt will not give up on a possible matte proof Lincoln or Buffalo w/o exhausting all sources.

A normal MS66 Buff would have luster blasting all over the place. A matte proof would have none. Unless the coin is obviously cleaned, the "matte proof" potential then starts to work on you.

BUFFNIXX · February 3, 2015 9:22PM

Finally found the pix of this coin which I purchased from ebay, over a year ago…..

(compare this to the ngc slabbed coin pictured above by BillJones)
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roadrunner · February 3, 2015 10:26PM

GSC + NNC would suggest an even lower probability of it being a MPB. Not your typical sources of Christmas gifts. Just my 2c.

ambro51 · February 3, 2015 11:45PM

Looking East, well before sunrise, you'd only have half the people here believing the Sun will rise in that area.

Unknown · February 4, 2015 12:02AM

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stealer · February 4, 2015 3:00AM

<< Looking East, well before sunrise, you'd only have half the people here believing the Sun will rise in that area. >>

Someone is salty over their arrow.

WaterSport · February 4, 2015 4:44AM

I know of 2 proof pre 1950 cents bought off ebay by a forum member in the last 4 months housed in PCGS MS holders that were resubmitted, properly labeled and flipped. It happens.

WS

53BKid · February 6, 2015 7:47AM

BUFFNIXX: Congrats on the find. I initially was skeptical when opening the thread, but the photos are gorgeous.

Just wondering why you set it aside for a year. I would have been taking it out regularly just to gaze at!

Best of luck with PCGS!

crazyhounddog · February 6, 2015 8:48AM

<< The hen is the wisest of all animals, for she never cackles until after the egg is laid >>

I will use this one. I love it !!!!

Steve · February 6, 2015 9:12AM

I am anxiously awaiting BUFFNIXX to post a picture of his 1913 buffalo nickel inside a new PCGS holder with a PR label. Please BUFFNIXX, do post the picture within the next three months so we can ALL say YOU WERE RIGHT! Thanks. Steve

BUFFNIXX · February 7, 2015 12:28AM

Steve -- I will certainly post the photo of the slab. I have a shipment of 8 coins going to pcgs.
all coins were crackouts as follows --
1) 1913 type one buff, the former nnc ms66 piece which we are talking about here.
2) 1915-p former pci ms65, really nice coin
3) 1916-p former ntc ms65, really nice coin
4) 1916-d former pci ms65, reall nice
5) 1916-s former pci ms65, real nice
6) 1935 former nnc ms65
7) 1937 raw coin fully prooflike, one of nicest business strikes I have ever seen for this date.
8) 1985-d lincoln cent which to me looks like an ms69, i really think it could should go 68! worth taking a chance.

Wonder what the turn around time will be for a regular submission, think it is supposed to be in house for 30 days.

telephoto1 · February 7, 2015 12:58AM

I've seen some high end 13T1 business strikes that had me scratching my head in the past, and I'm thinking that might be the case here. Comparing the OP coin with Bill Jones' piece (and considering it's an ex-centsles piece) I'm leaning towards it being a really nice business strike...but for OP's sake I hope I'm wrong. Good Luck.

BUFFNIXX · March 6, 2015 8:49PM

Humble pie will be served when results are back. Either I will be eating it or others will.
And I do not really like humble pie!

((Do you prefer whipped cream with a cherry on top or yours?))

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crypto79 · March 7, 2015 12:53AM

Wishing you the best but exspecting the worse.

Stuart · March 7, 2015 1:38AM

Whether or not the subject coin certifies as a Matte Proof, it sure is a beautiful well-struck (probably Early Die State) 1913 Buffalo Nickel!

You have a good eye to have selected this coin from the e-Bay auction. -- Best of luck on your pending certification submission.

Type2 · March 7, 2015 2:45AM

Keep us updated and Good luck.

coinguy1989 · March 7, 2015 1:30PM

I would be very surprised if it comes back in a proof holder. I hope I am wrong.

BUFFNIXX · March 8, 2015 1:07AM

coinguy1989 "I would be very surprised if it comes back in a proof holder. I hope I am wrong".

buffnixx "I would be very surprised if it DOES NOT come back in a proof holder. I hope I am right!".

Browe · March 25, 2015 3:30AM

Was looking through the shared orders today. Is this yours? Saw a lot of the ones you listed earlier in this thread as far as dates go. If so congrats!

1 1 31944447 3988 1913 5C Type 1 USA PR64
2 1 31944448 3927 1915 5C USA MS63
3 1 31944449 3930 1916 5C USA MS64
4 1 31944450 3932 1916-D 5C USA AU58
5 1 31944451 3933 1916-S 5C USA MS62
6 1 31944452 3974 1935 5C USA MS64
7 1 31944453 3980 1937 5C USA MS64
8 1 31944454 3994 1936 5C Satin USA PR64

coinlieutenant · March 25, 2015 3:32AM

Looks like he nailed it!

cherrypicked a gem 1913 type one buffalo nickel proof

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