ebay is disgusting, just disgusting
sportscardtheory
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After nearly 10 years as a seller, nearly 5,000 positive feedbacks, nearly $100,000 in sales, $100,000+ in purchases and never any issues, ebay decided to restrict my selling account "forever" due to some arbitrary "minimal" guidelines for selling that were RECENTLY put into place. I can "never" sell on ebay again, and neither can anyone who lives in the same household as me. They never gave me an honest chance to fix the so-called 'problem', just deleted the years of work, time and effort it took to create the 600+ listings I had on there and said 'too bad, you should have done better'. I still have so much money put into what I was selling, and now no means to sell it. I'm completely screwed. All this less than a month before Christmas. I use ebay sales to pay bills, buy presents, etc... Now they tell me to screw off over basically NOTHING with ZERO recourse. Ruining my Christmas, not allowing me to pay my bills, bending me over and telling me 'too bad'. This company is about as UN-AMERICAN as it gets and I hope for nothing but the worst for anyone making these decisions that so negatively affect good people who haven't done ANYTHING wrong who are just trying to get by. I pray for the day that a PROPER auction site is created to compete with and show ebay how to treat people who are their bread and butter. Shame on you, ebay.
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Were you doing that?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>What did you do? >>
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<< <i>I have a friend this happened to and it was from going outside of EBAY and selling direct to many times.
Were you doing that? >>
How do they know a deal went outside of eBay? Is it only if there's a message trail stating as much?
4SC obviously lists in multiple places and thus constantly removes listed cards that sell outside of eBay. So I'd have to assume it would take messages suggesting off eBay to get busted.
Just curious.
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<< <i>I have a friend this happened to and it was from going outside of EBAY and selling direct to many times.
Were you doing that? >>
How do they know a deal went outside of eBay? Is it only if there's a message trail stating as much?
4SC obviously lists in multiple places and thus constantly removes listed cards that sell outside of eBay. So I'd have to assume it would take messages suggesting off eBay to get busted.
Just curious. >>
He had a history of messages with buyers and then would cancel listings and then get PayPal direct funds. He was really upset but in reality when you do this you cost EBAY revenue and in the end it is their site.
4SC has a direct site so if you buy from them they do a straight cancel and I would imagine they have an agreement with EBAY since they do so many listings. I believe it states in their listings to check out their site.
EBAY is a business and is a for profit company obviously so something had to happen for EBAY to come to this conclusion.
<< <i>My account was "below standard" because of a few opened cases, which were immediately resolved. The thing is, up until recently, ebay prompted buyers to open cases INSTEAD of simply sending a quick message. Also, I ship cheap cards without tracking and sometimes people take shots by opening cases and I just eat the loss and refund immediately. But, apparently that makes me the devil and ebay decided that they no longer want my business. I had nearly $75,000 worth of cards listed. Now $0 and nowhere to sell them. All less than a month before Christmas. I feel like it's a prank, but it's not, and it's not funny. >>
If it is only because of a few buyer cases that really stinks.
Did you have any other warnings or did this just come out of the clear blue?
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<< <i>My account was "below standard" because of a few opened cases, which were immediately resolved. The thing is, up until recently, ebay prompted buyers to open cases INSTEAD of simply sending a quick message. Also, I ship cheap cards without tracking and sometimes people take shots by opening cases and I just eat the loss and refund immediately. But, apparently that makes me the devil and ebay decided that they no longer want my business. I had nearly $75,000 worth of cards listed. Now $0 and nowhere to sell them. All less than a month before Christmas. I feel like it's a prank, but it's not, and it's not funny. >>
If it is only because of a few buyer cases that really stinks.
Did you have any other warnings or did this just come out of the clear blue? >>
They limited my selling to about what I had listed for about a month, telling me I can just call after a month and have it doubled... then before I could even call they just banned my selling account forever and said 'deal with it'. It's nonsense.
<< <i>I had kind of the same thing happen to me a few years ago. >>
You both have the "random evil penny" icon. Coincidence? I think not.
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<< <i>Doesn't make much sense when you see all the fake cards, autographs, shill bidding etc... and they do nothing about that, even when you alert them of a problem? >>
Amen to this. Shill bidding is far and away eBay's biggest issue, but they make a boatload of money from it. That's why it's encouraged rather than punished.
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<< <i>I had kind of the same thing happen to me a few years ago. >>
You both have the "random evil penny" icon. Coincidence? I think not. >>
That is not my icon! I have a picture of Sandy Koufax? I have no clue why this icon came up? I am dead serious about this.
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<< <i>I had kind of the same thing happen to me a few years ago. >>
You both have the "random evil penny" icon. Coincidence? I think not. >>
That is not my icon! I have a picture of Sandy Koufax? I have no clue why this icon came up? I am dead serious about this. >>
Told ya it was evil lol
It's a random glitch that happens every so often to users.
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So now I charge $2.95 for a bubble and tracking and $0.10 for additional cards. This has actually worked out for the better for me. People won't pay $3.99 for a card with free delivery, but they will pay $2.99 + $2.95 for S&H for the same card.
Free shipping is for ebay's benefit, not the seller.
It really is a formula and nothing else, and none of the people you talk to on the phone have a way to override the automated decisions. It sucks.
Lee
Move?
<< <i>I can "never" sell on ebay again, and neither can anyone who lives in the same household as me
Move? >>
They use everything. Email, name, IP address, PayPal.
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<< <i>Send your stuff to Rick if you need $. His fees are the same as selling yourself and you don't have to deal with eBay, crazy buyers or the post office. It's what I do with 90% of ant cards I have to sell . >>
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<< <i>Send your stuff to Rick if you need $. His fees are the same as selling yourself and you don't have to deal with eBay, crazy buyers or the post office. It's what I do with 90% of ant cards I have to sell . >>
Do they do BIN/BOs though? I never sold auction style and I don't really want to.
Good luck!
Rick will do BIN/BO but I'm not sure if the fees are different from selling by auction with him
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<< <i>My account was "below standard" because of a few opened cases, which were immediately resolved. The thing is, up until recently, ebay prompted buyers to open cases INSTEAD of simply sending a quick message. Also, I ship cheap cards without tracking and sometimes people take shots by opening cases and I just eat the loss and refund immediately. But, apparently that makes me the devil and ebay decided that they no longer want my business. I had nearly $75,000 worth of cards listed. Now $0 and nowhere to sell them. All less than a month before Christmas. I feel like it's a prank, but it's not, and it's not funny. >>
Sounds like you had too many claims or bad marks against you. This day in age there is no way I would send a card without tracking. TBH it pisses me off when people don't mark a card shipped and provide a tracking number. If a card isn't worth getting tracking on sell it on sportslots or COMC.
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<< <i>My account was "below standard" because of a few opened cases, which were immediately resolved. The thing is, up until recently, ebay prompted buyers to open cases INSTEAD of simply sending a quick message. Also, I ship cheap cards without tracking and sometimes people take shots by opening cases and I just eat the loss and refund immediately. But, apparently that makes me the devil and ebay decided that they no longer want my business. I had nearly $75,000 worth of cards listed. Now $0 and nowhere to sell them. All less than a month before Christmas. I feel like it's a prank, but it's not, and it's not funny. >>
Sounds like you had too many claims or bad marks against you. This day in age there is no way I would send a card without tracking. TBH it pisses me off when people don't mark a card shipped and provide a tracking number. If a card isn't worth getting tracking on sell it on sportslots or COMC. >>
Or just charge for S&H. I went to that and it doesn't hurt my sales. In fact it seems that people buy more to take advantage of the shipping discount.
<< <i>They limited my selling to about what I had listed for about a month, telling me I can just call after a month and have it doubled... then before I could even call they just banned my selling account forever and said 'deal with it'. It's nonsense. >>
But in your original post you said it came with "no warning".
eBay only marks you as "Below Standard" if 5% of your transactions over the most recent evaluation period have problems. Even at that, they don't just shut you down. They lower your selling limits, drop you in the search list, etc., until your rating improves. They only boot you out if you have a rating that is significantly lower than the minimum standards after giving you a chance to make things better.
Five percent is a LOT. My current defect rating is 0.4% on 600+ sales over three months, and I'm embarrassed to even say that. And I send PWE's all the time.
I hate that it happened to you, and I hope you find a viable solution, but to come here and blast eBay is a little disingenuous.
<< <i>Send your stuff to Rick if you need $. His fees are the same as selling yourself and you don't have to deal with eBay, crazy buyers or the post office. It's what I do with 90% of ant cards I have to sell . >>
Send a PM to Tom.
Good luck!
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David (LD_Ferg)
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<< <i>Ebay doesn't simply dump someone without warning so I'm not buying the claims of total innocence. Ebay gets no income if you aren't selling so it usually takes something fairly egregious or a history of regular infractions/problems to get someone booted. I'd like to see the ID involved. Too many opened/lost cases in a short time, coupled with negs and/or bad DSR ratings would be my guess. >>
When I first joined EBAY back in 2007, I ignorantly shill bid some of my cards, not realizing at the time, that this was a huge no no. I got reported and EBAY sent me a nice but scathing letter, about this. They removed all of my listings and told me not to do that again or you could be permanently removed.
I got the message and have never done that again. In fact i just do 99% buy it now's. This post is in response to the person above.
<< <i>When I first joined EBAY back in 2007, I ignorantly shill bid some of my cards, not realizing at the time, that this was a huge no no >>
You needed an email from eBay to tell you that shilling was bad? Couldn't figure that one out on your own?
<< <i>Ebay doesn't simply dump someone without warning so I'm not buying the claims of total innocence. Ebay gets no income if you aren't selling so it usually takes something fairly egregious or a history of regular infractions/problems to get someone booted. I'd like to see the ID involved. Too many opened/lost cases in a short time, coupled with negs and/or bad DSR ratings would be my guess. >>
That's the point. They are permanently banning sellers over OPENED cases, which are completely arbitrary if the case is resolved and the buyer is happy. Limits, fine. Warnings to do better, fine. But perma-banning with zero recourse is insanity. No one was ripped off. No one didn't receive their purchases as described. It's just buyers doing what ebay prompted them to do, open cases instead of simply sending a quick inquiry.
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That's the point. They are permanently banning sellers over OPENED cases, which are completely arbitrary if the case is resolved and the buyer is happy. Limits, fine. Warnings to do better, fine. But perma-banning with zero recourse is insanity. No one was ripped off. No one didn't receive their purchases as described. It's just buyers doing what ebay prompted them to do, open cases instead of simply sending a quick inquiry. >>
Respectfully, sct, eBay has more seller data than you can imagine. For you to be banned, you would have to stick out like a sore thumb with the number of opened cases you have.
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<< <i>When I first joined EBAY back in 2007, I ignorantly shill bid some of my cards, not realizing at the time, that this was a huge no no >>
You needed an email from eBay to tell you that shilling was bad? Couldn't figure that one out on your own? >>
Literally I had just joined and only purchased a handful of cards before I started selling. Yeah, I knew it probably was wrong, but I guess i didn't realize that someone would know the difference and that it was "THAT" wrong, i.e. very ignorant about the situation.
Let's put it this way, I shill bid items that were selling for $5 and $6. Why waste my time, but I learned.
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That's the point. They are permanently banning sellers over OPENED cases, which are completely arbitrary if the case is resolved and the buyer is happy. Limits, fine. Warnings to do better, fine. But perma-banning with zero recourse is insanity. No one was ripped off. No one didn't receive their purchases as described. It's just buyers doing what ebay prompted them to do, open cases instead of simply sending a quick inquiry. >>
Respectfully, sct, eBay has more seller data than you can imagine. For you to be banned, you would have to stick out like a sore thumb with the number of opened cases you have. >>
And still my point remains that OPENED cases shouldn't count against a seller's percentage. It's literally the only reason I lost my account. Opened, yet resolved immediately, cases. Say and think what you will, I don't deserve to be perma-banned for opened cases that were immediately resolved leaving the buyers satisfied. Especially since ebay was prompting buyers to open cases instead of simply sending messages, which they have now changed... but ooops, too late for me.