Please explain the obverse marks on this Early Dollar. Link fixed!

MGLICKER

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jmcu12

No picture but I will guess adjustment marks on an underweight planchet

BillJones

Sorry, you link does not work, and I've become apprehensive about clinking on links that have been through my computer's filtering process after I got a nasty virus that cost me hundreds of dollars to remove.

BillJones

Duplicate post ... again

jmcu12

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Rampage

They look like bag marks to me. You see them on Morgan dollars all the time. There happens to be an abundance on this particular coin, though.

topstuf

And certainly what ...I.. would consider DAMAGE!

Repeated whacks with either a coin or some tool.

LindeDad

Agree should not be on a straight graded coin?
Do not look like adjustment marks.

CaptHenway

<< <i>They look like bag marks to me. You see them on Morgan dollars all the time. There happens to be an abundance on this particular coin, though. >>



Yes, reeding marks from being hit by a later date coin that had reeding.

MGLICKER

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<< <i>They look like bag marks to me. You see them on Morgan dollars all the time. There happens to be an abundance on this particular coin, though. >>



Yes, reeding marks from being hit by a later date coin that had reeding. >>



Thank you Captain. That looks more intentional though than random bag marks. Your thoughts?

CaptHenway

Hard to day. Could theoretically have been somebody at a later date who was presented with this old coin whacking it with the edge of a reeded silver dollar to "test" it. Think do-it-yourself chop marks.

What I find more odd is the five-pointed star indent in the field above the eagle. Where did that come from? And the weakness in that area suggests a slightly bent coin as if the pounding on the obverse made the coin slightly convex on the reverse. If I had that coin raw I would try to rock it on a table top.

Boosibri

Looks intentional. Should not have graded in my opinion.

ricko

Yep....PMD.... the reverse has die cracks and looks like a cud... Cheers, RickO

kaz

Damage from having a reeded edge coin pounded into it. Big scratch on the rev and the odd "dark star" mentioned by the Capt. Shouldn't have been graded. Too bad as a very attractive coin otherwise.

bigjpst

Looks like damage to me as well, and I'm not so sure it is another coins edge that made the marks. Looks almost like a punch for tooling leather.

19Lyds

It doesn't really matter what you folks think. PCGS has a forgiveness allowance on coins of a certain age and rarity and this one is a 1 of 15. The ,arks are old enough to actually give it character and it certainly has not lost its marketability. Which is what the assigned grade is all about anyway.

By that, I mean, would you turn it away?

MGLICKER

<< <i>By that, I mean, would you turn it away? >>



No, I like the coin and was considering a purchase. Was a better deal when it sold at auction recently at under $900. Just trying to determine the cause of the marks. Have bought many graded as well as genuine holdered dollars over the years. They are classics in any condition.

kaz

The leather punch idea makes sense to me. I have seen similar marks added to fake coins to make them look real. The punched in star on the rev. fits that theory too.

ColonelJessup

<< <i>Looks intentional. Should not have graded in my opinion. >>



+1

Was it proactively damaged or was it simply neglected?

Perhaps it was put under a tire of a car stuck on ice to give the tire traction. And the baby got born at the hospital instead of on the side of the highway.

Its own noble heart beats no longer. DOA.

This is not only a total waste of a grading fees (beyond authenticity), it cheats some vision-deprived collector with Braille skills out of a good laugh or two. . . . .

Treashunt

I would pass on it