<< <i>Question - is it all worthwhile to get this very nice Pryor graded if they aren't going to note the "variation" and may even deduct for print defect? Or better to keep raw?
Would appreciate any thoughts. >>
IMHO, there's not much benefit to getting it graded. Most EV collectors would not pay a premium to have it slabbed and PSA would likely deduct for the PD.
I guess the most interesting thing about this poppage are the couple pf Ryan 9s. But the lack of gems is disappointing. In fairness to myself (!), aside from the stars, I have been limiting the subs to very low pop cards. They are low pop for a reason and it has nothing to do with corners or centering, that's for sure.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type 1 1 23788465 MINT 9 1970 Topps 553 Jim Lefebvre Card 2 1 23788466 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 396 Grant Jackson Card 3 1 23788467 NEAR MINT 7 1973 Topps 204 World Series Game 2 A's Make It Two Straight Card 4 1 23788468 MINT 9 1973 Topps 250 Manny Sanguillen Card 5 1 23788469 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 422 Brian Downing Card 6 1 23788470 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 195 1957-MVP's Mickey Mantle/Hank Aaron Card 7 1 23788471 MINT 9 1975 Topps 220 Don Sutton Card 8 1 23788472 MINT 9 1975 Topps 156 Dave Kingman Card 9 1 23788473 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 515 Manny Sanguillen Card 10 1 23788474 NEAR MINT 7 1979 Topps 154 Jim Gantner Card 11 1 23788475 MINT 9 1979 Topps 721 Mets Prospects Berenguer/Bernard/Norman Card 12 1 23788476 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 606 Expos Team Card 13 1 23788477 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 686 Ron Schueler Card 14 1 23788478 NEAR MINT 7 1979 Topps 638 Al Fitzmorris Card 15 1 23788479 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 477 Bob Grich Card 16 1 23788480 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 102 Mike Anderson Card 17 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1980 Topps 162 Bob Randall Card 18 1 23788482 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 213 Mike Jorgensen Card 19 1 23788483 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 68 Larry Harlow Card 20 1 23788484 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 726 Steve Yeager Card 21 1 23788485 MINT 9 1980 Topps 592 Jon Matlack Card 22 1 23788486 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 434 Johnnie LeMaster Card 23 1 23788487 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 366 Rob Dressler Card 24 1 23788488 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 637 Joe Simpson Card 25 1 23788489 MINT 9 1980 Topps 719 Don Robinson Card 26 1 23788490 MINT 9 1980 Topps 683 Pirates Future Stars D.Boyland/A.Lois/H.Saferight Card 27 1 23788491 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 638 Mark Clear Card 28 1 23788492 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 127 Gary Thomasson Card 29 1 23788493 MINT 9 1980 Topps 156 Tony Brizzolara Card 30 1 23788494 MINT 9 1980 Topps 217 Ed Halicki Card 31 1 23788495 MINT 9 1980 Topps 134 Matt Keough Card 32 1 23788496 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 541 Miguel Dilone Card 33 1 23788497 MINT 9 1980 Topps 496 Silvio Martinez Card 34 1 23788498 MINT 9 1980 Topps 505 Bert Campaneris Card 35 1 23788499 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card 36 1 23788500 MINT 9 1980 Topps 681 Mets Future Stars D.Norman/J.Orosco/M.Scott Card 37 1 23788501 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 576 Jim Dwyer Card 38 1 23788502 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 175 Rick Reuschel Card 39 1 23788503 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card 39 2 23788504 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card 39 3 23788505 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card 40 1 23788506 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 720 Carl Yastrzemski Card 41 1 23788507 MINT 9 1980 Topps 151 Tom Hausman Card 42 1 N8: MISCUT 1980 Topps 241 Checklist 122-242 Card 43 1 23788509 MINT 9 1980 Topps 320 Dennis Eckersley Card 44 1 23788510 MINT 9 1980 Topps 77 Dave Stieb Card 45 1 23788511 MINT 9 1980 Topps 124 Dave Lemanczyk Card 46 1 23788512 MINT 9 1980 Topps 440 Don Sutton Card 47 1 23788513 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 125 Tony Perez Card 48 1 23788514 MINT 9 1980 Topps 235 Andre Dawson Card 49 1 23788515 MINT 9 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card 49 2 23788516 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card 50 1 23788517 MINT 9 1980 Topps 210 Steve Carlton Card 50 2 23788518 MINT 9 1980 Topps 210 Steve Carlton Card 51 1 23788519 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 696 Julio Gonzalez Card 52 1 23788520 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 617 Joaquin Andujar Card 53 1 23788521 MINT 9 1980 Topps 444 Alvis Woods Card 54 1 23788522 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card 55 1 23788523 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan
Still waiting on a few more subs from the 1980 vending boxes. And have yet to sub the blue chip Ryans and Hendus.
Dennis - Lefebvre is a gem. I really don't see a flaw on it. Will post scan.
Thanks guys - the two Ryans I'm sitting on absolutely blow those 9s away (I think)!
One thing these 10 boxes spit out was really sharp Seavers, Roses, Hendus and Ryans. Whether a few are "perfect", now that is the question!
The boxes also contained a lot of really nice versions of tough commons. But a few exhibit the same flaws that beleaguer all the rest. For example Joe Simpson and Dwight Evans are easy to find centered and sharp but every version I've seen of them has a black line that really is only visible under magnification.
But the strange thing is the one PSA 10 Dwight Evans I've seen also has the black line. So who knows?
Finally decided to throw in some random 1972s to fill out my renewal sub. So here goes nothing - 7 Rickeys and 2 Ryans heading to PSA.
Sorry no pics of the 7 Hendus that would make sense - can't tell one from the other - but below are the 2 prime Ryans I was holding back. Had some success with the lesser Ryans I have been subbing from the vending boxes - around 3 or 4 9s out of 5 subbed, But these two outshine all the others (in my estimation).
1 1 23881857 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1972 Topps 54 Bud Harrelson in Action Card 2 1 23881858 MINT 9 OC 1972 Topps 559 Pete Rose Card 2 2 23881859 MINT 9 1972 Topps 559 Pete Rose Card 3 1 23881860 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 195 1957-MVP's Mickey Mantle/Hank Aaron Card 4 1 23881861 GEM MINT 10 1979 Topps 460 Graig Nettles Card 5 1 23881862 MINT 9 1980 Topps 620 Richie Zisk Card 6 1 23881863 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card 6 2 23881864 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card 7 1 23881865 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card 7 2 23881866 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card 7 3 23881867 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card 7 4 23881868 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card 7 5 23881869 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card 7 6 23881870 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card 7 7 23881871 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card Total Items: 15
Grades are ephemeral. They can change with the wind. And one thing I definitely know for sure - When subbing, you should always put the minty 1972 Rose behind the off-centered 1972 Rose - never in front of it.
And It probably isn't good form to sub seven Hendu RCs in a row.
Grades are ephemeral. They can change with the wind. And one thing I definitely know for sure - When subbing, you should always put the minty 1972 Rose behind the off-centered 1972 Rose - never in front of it. >>
Gotta agree with that statement. You always want to set up the blue chips from your sub. If you have any offgrade commons, particularly from the same year as the card you're setting up, it's best to put them right before that card. You don't want to load up shiny refractors before a big $, high grade vintage card as it will set a high baseline for the grader. Not sure this works 100% but I'd think it has to calibrate the grader to some extent, so that it could influence their grading slightly.
Thanks David. I'll definitely post some scans. Truth be told, I have already had some success resubbing a few cards posted on this thread. So it is doable.
Wow, sorry to see you getting so few 10s. It makes you wonder how some dealers can crank out 10s all day long. You picked the best of several vending boxes and they aren't producing. Is there any very light touches on the corners from being packed in the vending boxes? That's the only thing I could see that should keep you from getting more 10s. This is the reason I don't chase 10s. Of all the grades, I feel this one is the most subjective. How many of you think you could crack 10s out, resubmit them and still get a 10? I think my success rate would be very low.
Every card has a certain amount of "flaw". I think that virtually every 10 I have ever received has had a certain amount of "flaw". What seems to change or vacillate is the "flaw threshold" of the grader.
The 1980 Topps issue is particularly flawed. Snow, dot, ink. And the cards I am subbing, for the most part, are typically the most flawed cards in the set.
But grades do change. An 8.5 can go to a 10 depending on the "flaw threshold". We all know there is subjectivity involved. It is a crazy game and I've bought in hook, line and sinker.
The flaw threshold has been low on these particular cards for sure! The corners look great by the way.
Getting an inordinate amount of 8.5s on the Hendus is a particular subjectivity I can't explain.
So to illustrate my point...here is the only 10 that I have on hand to show. The 1979 Nettles from the Rickey 15-card sub. See...well actually this card is pretty damn flawless!
But, originally, this card wasn't even holdered at all. It was deemed "miscut".
That's a nice card but I do agree with the miscut grade the first time. If you look at the right side, you can see it flair out toward the middle of the card, a common indicator of a miscut. still a nice card though.
<< <i>I like the bulge. It gives it character! But see "flaw threshold"! >>
I agree on the flaw threshold. Since a perfect card doesn't exist granting a 10 to any card makes it extremely objective. I've rarely received 10s on pre-1970 cards but got 13 on a single submission of 1969s about ten years ago. The cards were from a vending run and very nice but I didn't think any of them would 10. All had a very slight imperfection on a corner under 10x magnification. Aside from that one sub, I've only received three other tens on pre-1970s cards.
Ah yes. Flaw threshold. Here is another card from the 15-card Rickey sub. Some may vaguely recall this card being the subject of a rather lively thread a while back.
Well, Charlie Hustle took a remarkable, terrifying grading journey only to arrive back here - where I will stand pat. Does the card have flaws? Sure does. But I always hoped that the grader who doled out Gemint's thirteen 1969 10s would take a look at it. I always thought it deserved a better holder.
Flaw threshold was high on Dennis Blair and it would up selling for nearly $500.
Continuing to pick the bones on these 1980 vending boxes. And along the way. got curious about all this registry business. 10s continue to be elusive even when subbing higher pops.
1 23982591 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 13 Ron Pruitt Card 12 1 23982592 MINT 9 1980 Topps 481 Tom Paciorek Card 13 1 23982593 MINT 9 1980 Topps 467 Jesse Jefferson Card 14 1 23982594 MINT 9 1980 Topps 105 Frank Tanana Card 15 1 23982595 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 234 Vern Ruhle Card 16 1 23982596 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 4 1979 Highlights Pete Rose Card 17 1 23982597 MINT 9 1980 Topps 382 Dave Freisleben Card 18 1 23982598 MINT 9 1980 Topps 173 John Henry Johnson Card 19 1 23982599 MINT 9 1980 Topps 181 Moose Haas Card 20 1 23982600 MINT 9 1980 Topps 426 Grant Jackson Card 21 1 23982601 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 10 Denny Martinez Card 22 1 23982602 MINT 9 1980 Topps 510 Ron Cey Card 23 1 23982603 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 401 Pete Falcone Card 24 1 23982604 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 414 George Scott Card 25 1 23982605 MINT 9 1980 Topps 524 Jim Wright Card 25 2 23982606 MINT 9 1980 Topps 524 Jim Wright Card 26 1 23982607 MINT 9 1980 Topps 16 Jerry Narron Card 27 1 23982608 MINT 9 1981 Topps 543 Terry Crowley Card 28 1 23982609 MINT 9 1981 Topps 474 Mike LaCoss Card 29 1 23982610 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 184 Jim Dwyer Card 30 1 23982611 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 199 Chuck Rainey Card 31 1 23982612 MINT 9 1981 Topps 183 Dick Davis Card 32 1 23982613 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1981 Topps 708 Doyle Alexander Card 33 1 23982614 MINT 9 1981 Topps 665 Indians Team Card 34 1 23982615 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 485 Garry Templeton Card 35 1 23982616 MINT 9 1981 Topps 367 Denny Martinez Card 36 1 23982617 MINT 9 1981 Topps 151 Claudell Washington Card 36 2 23982618 MINT 9 1981 Topps 151 Claudell Washington Card 37 1 23982619 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 470 Manny Trillo Card 38 1 23982620 MINT 9 1981 Topps 383 Eric Soderholm Card 39 1 23982621 MINT 9 1981 Topps 198 Jerry Dybzinski Card 40 1 23982622 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 653 Bill Fahey Card 41 1 23982623 MINT 9 1981 Topps 660 Gary Carter Card 42 1 23982624 EXCELLENT 5 1981 Topps 531 John Curtis Card 43 1 23982625 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 290 Bob Boone Card 43 2 23982626 MINT 9 1981 Topps 290 Bob Boone Card 44 1 23982627 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 587 Jeff Newman Card 45 1 23982628 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 114 Tom Underwood Card 46 1 23982629 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 707 Dave Cash Card 47 1 23982630 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 68 Matt Alexander Card 48 1 23982631 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 16 Ron Davis Card 49 1 23982632 MINT 9 1981 Topps 5 Victory Leaders S.Stone/S.Carlton Card 50 1 23982633 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 456 Jeff Reardon Card 51 1 23982634 MINT 9 1980 Topps 543 Pat Kelly Card 52 1 23982635 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 213 Mike Jorgensen Card 53 1 23982636 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 233 LaRue Washington Card 54 1 23982637 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 466 Mike Squires Card 55 1 23982638 MINT 9 1980 Topps 178 Tim McCarver Card 56 1 23982639 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 145 Darrell Evans Card 57 1 23982640 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 493 Jerry Martin Card 58 1 23982641 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 373 Dan Petry Card 59 1 23982642 MINT 9 1980 Topps 650 Joe Morgan Card 60 1 23982643 MINT 9 1980 Topps 255 Dusty Baker Card 61 1 23982644 MINT 9 1980 Topps 203 RBI Leaders D.Winfield/D.Baylor Card 62 1 23982645 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 207 Earned Run Avg Ldrs J.R.Richard/R.Guidry Card 63 1 23982646 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 565 Dennis Leonard Card Total Items: 66
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<< <i>Question - is it all worthwhile to get this very nice Pryor graded if they aren't going to note the "variation" and may even deduct for print defect? Or better to keep raw?
Would appreciate any thoughts. >>
IMHO, there's not much benefit to getting it graded. Most EV collectors would not pay a premium to have it slabbed and PSA would likely deduct for the PD.
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 23788465 MINT 9 1970 Topps 553 Jim Lefebvre Card
2 1 23788466 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 Topps 396 Grant Jackson Card
3 1 23788467 NEAR MINT 7 1973 Topps 204 World Series Game 2 A's Make It Two Straight Card
4 1 23788468 MINT 9 1973 Topps 250 Manny Sanguillen Card
5 1 23788469 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 422 Brian Downing Card
6 1 23788470 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 195 1957-MVP's Mickey Mantle/Hank Aaron Card
7 1 23788471 MINT 9 1975 Topps 220 Don Sutton Card
8 1 23788472 MINT 9 1975 Topps 156 Dave Kingman Card
9 1 23788473 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 515 Manny Sanguillen Card
10 1 23788474 NEAR MINT 7 1979 Topps 154 Jim Gantner Card
11 1 23788475 MINT 9 1979 Topps 721 Mets Prospects Berenguer/Bernard/Norman Card
12 1 23788476 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 606 Expos Team Card
13 1 23788477 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 686 Ron Schueler Card
14 1 23788478 NEAR MINT 7 1979 Topps 638 Al Fitzmorris Card
15 1 23788479 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 477 Bob Grich Card
16 1 23788480 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 Topps 102 Mike Anderson Card
17 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1980 Topps 162 Bob Randall Card
18 1 23788482 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 213 Mike Jorgensen Card
19 1 23788483 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 68 Larry Harlow Card
20 1 23788484 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 726 Steve Yeager Card
21 1 23788485 MINT 9 1980 Topps 592 Jon Matlack Card
22 1 23788486 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 434 Johnnie LeMaster Card
23 1 23788487 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 366 Rob Dressler Card
24 1 23788488 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 637 Joe Simpson Card
25 1 23788489 MINT 9 1980 Topps 719 Don Robinson Card
26 1 23788490 MINT 9 1980 Topps 683 Pirates Future Stars D.Boyland/A.Lois/H.Saferight Card
27 1 23788491 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 638 Mark Clear Card
28 1 23788492 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 127 Gary Thomasson Card
29 1 23788493 MINT 9 1980 Topps 156 Tony Brizzolara Card
30 1 23788494 MINT 9 1980 Topps 217 Ed Halicki Card
31 1 23788495 MINT 9 1980 Topps 134 Matt Keough Card
32 1 23788496 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 541 Miguel Dilone Card
33 1 23788497 MINT 9 1980 Topps 496 Silvio Martinez Card
34 1 23788498 MINT 9 1980 Topps 505 Bert Campaneris Card
35 1 23788499 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card
36 1 23788500 MINT 9 1980 Topps 681 Mets Future Stars D.Norman/J.Orosco/M.Scott Card
37 1 23788501 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 576 Jim Dwyer Card
38 1 23788502 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 175 Rick Reuschel Card
39 1 23788503 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
39 2 23788504 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
39 3 23788505 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
40 1 23788506 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 720 Carl Yastrzemski Card
41 1 23788507 MINT 9 1980 Topps 151 Tom Hausman Card
42 1 N8: MISCUT 1980 Topps 241 Checklist 122-242 Card
43 1 23788509 MINT 9 1980 Topps 320 Dennis Eckersley Card
44 1 23788510 MINT 9 1980 Topps 77 Dave Stieb Card
45 1 23788511 MINT 9 1980 Topps 124 Dave Lemanczyk Card
46 1 23788512 MINT 9 1980 Topps 440 Don Sutton Card
47 1 23788513 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 125 Tony Perez Card
48 1 23788514 MINT 9 1980 Topps 235 Andre Dawson Card
49 1 23788515 MINT 9 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card
49 2 23788516 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card
50 1 23788517 MINT 9 1980 Topps 210 Steve Carlton Card
50 2 23788518 MINT 9 1980 Topps 210 Steve Carlton Card
51 1 23788519 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 696 Julio Gonzalez Card
52 1 23788520 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 617 Joaquin Andujar Card
53 1 23788521 MINT 9 1980 Topps 444 Alvis Woods Card
54 1 23788522 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card
55 1 23788523 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan
Still waiting on a few more subs from the 1980 vending boxes. And have yet to sub the blue chip Ryans and Hendus.
I'm thinking you were looking for a 10 on this one. It must be a real blazer and maybe you can crack it out
and give it another try.
Bosox1976
<< <i>Nice work on the Ryan's - particularly if holding back the good ones
+1
Thanks guys - the two Ryans I'm sitting on absolutely blow those 9s away (I think)!
One thing these 10 boxes spit out was really sharp Seavers, Roses, Hendus and Ryans. Whether a few are "perfect", now that is the question!
The boxes also contained a lot of really nice versions of tough commons. But a few exhibit the same flaws that beleaguer all the rest.
For example Joe Simpson and Dwight Evans are easy to find centered and sharp but every version I've seen of them has a black line that really is only visible under magnification.
But the strange thing is the one PSA 10 Dwight Evans I've seen also has the black line. So who knows?
I sure know how to pick those 9s huh?
But I'm not going to complain. Some of those gem mints are SWEET! Kiko Garcia is now a pop 1! Tom Hume and Bob Lacey are also toughies.
Overall not bad but surely there is some wiggle room on the few of the 9s!
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 23759362 MINT 9 1980 Topps 290 Steve Garvey Card
1 2 23759363 MINT 9 1980 Topps 290 Steve Garvey Card
2 1 23759364 MINT 9 1980 Topps 236 Marc Hill Card
3 1 23759365 MINT 9 1980 Topps 416 Tom Brookens Card
3 2 23759366 MINT 9 1980 Topps 416 Tom Brookens Card
4 1 23759367 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 270 Mike Schmidt Card
5 1 23759368 MINT 9 1980 Topps 42 Dave Palmer Card
6 1 23759369 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card
6 2 23759370 EXCELLENT 5 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card
6 3 23759371 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 540 Pete Rose Card
7 1 23759372 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
7 2 23759373 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
7 3 23759374 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
8 1 23759375 MINT 9 1980 Topps 26 Marty Pattin Card
9 1 23759376 MINT 9 1980 Topps 376 Gary Allenson Card
10 1 23759377 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 720 Carl Yastrzemski Card
10 2 23759378 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 720 Carl Yastrzemski Card
11 1 23759379 MINT 9 1980 Topps 230 Dave Winfield Card
12 1 23759380 MINT 9 1980 Topps 366 Rob Dressler Card
13 1 23759381 MINT 9 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card
13 2 23759382 MINT 9 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card
13 3 23759383 MINT 9 1980 Topps 500 Tom Seaver Card
14 1 23759384 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 410 Bobby Bonds Card
14 2 23759385 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 410 Bobby Bonds Card
15 1 23759386 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 37 Kiko Garcia Card
16 1 23759387 MINT 9 1980 Topps 133 Jerry Turner Card
17 1 23759388 MINT 9 1980 Topps 439 Mike Phillips Card
18 1 23759389 MINT 9 1980 Topps 600 Reggie Jackson Card
19 1 23759390 MINT 9 1980 Topps 596 Rick Matula Card
19 2 23759391 MINT 9 1980 Topps 596 Rick Matula Card
20 1 23759392 MINT 9 1980 Topps 23 Derrel Thomas Card
21 1 23759393 MINT 9 1980 Topps 226 Bill Stein Card
22 1 23759394 MINT 9 1980 Topps 453 Mike Bacsik Card
22 2 23759395 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 453 Mike Bacsik Card
23 1 23759396 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 68 Larry Harlow Card
24 1 23759397 MINT 9 1980 Topps 391 Tony Armas Card
25 1 23759398 MINT 9 1980 Topps 422 Larry Milbourne Card
25 2 23759399 MINT 9 1980 Topps 422 Larry Milbourne Card
26 1 23759400 MINT 9 1980 Topps 696 Julio Gonzalez Card
27 1 23759401 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 344 Randy Lerch Card
28 1 23759402 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 151 Tom Hausman Card
29 1 23759403 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 149 Tom Hume Card
30 1 23759404 MINT 9 1980 Topps 602 Brian Downing Card
31 1 23759405 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 640 Mike Flanagan Card
32 1 23759406 MINT 9 1980 Topps 173 John Henry Johnson Card
33 1 23759407 MINT 9 1980 Topps 110 Fred Lynn Card
34 1 23759408 MINT 9 1980 Topps 617 Joaquin Andujar Card
34 2 23759409 MINT 9 1980 Topps 617 Joaquin Andujar Card
35 1 23759410 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 316 Bob Lacey Card
36 1 23759411 MINT 9 1980 Topps 465 Rick Monday Card
37 1 23759412 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 401 Pete Falcone Card
38 1 23759413 MINT 9 1980 Topps 712 Rodney Scott Card
39 1 23759414 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 343 Mike Vail Card
40 1 23759415 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 382 Dave Freisleben Card
41 1 23759416 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 219 Steve Mingori Card
42 1 23759417 MINT 9 1981 Topps 656 Jon Matlack Card
43 1 23759418 MINT 9 1981 Topps 725 Steve Rogers Card
44 1 23759419 MINT 9 1981 Topps 307 Gene Garber Card
45 1 23759420 MINT 9 1981 Topps 132 Tommy Boggs Card
46 1 23759421 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 560 Joe Morgan Card
47 1 23759422 MINT 9 1981 Topps 396 Bill Campbell Card
48 1 23759423 MINT 9 1981 Topps 110 Carl Yastrzemski Card
49 1 23759424 MINT 9 1981 Topps 418 Bobby Brown Card
50 1 23759425 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 480 Carlton Fisk Card
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
2 1 23738135 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 45 Frank White Card
3 1 23738136 MINT 9 1980 Topps 620 Richie Zisk Card
4 1 23738137 MINT 9 1980 Topps 578 Scott Sanderson Card
5 1 23738138 MINT 9 1980 Topps 707 Elliott Maddox Card
6 1 23738139 MINT 9 1980 Topps 189 Kevin Kobel Card
6 2 23738140 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 189 Kevin Kobel Card
7 1 23738141 MINT 9 1980 Topps 641 Ed Kranepool Card
8 1 23738142 MINT 9 1980 Topps 428 Pat Zachry Card
9 1 23738143 MINT 9 1980 Topps 87 Pepe Frias Card
10 1 23738144 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
11 1 23738145 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 23 Derrel Thomas Card
12 1 23738146 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 391 Tony Armas Card
13 1 23738147 MINT 9 1980 Topps 583 Bob Stinson Card
14 1 23738148 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 336 George Medich Card
15 1 23738149 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 210 Steve Carlton Card
16 1 23738150 MINT 9 1980 Topps 495 Bake McBride Card
16 2 23738151 MINT 9 1980 Topps 495 Bake McBride Card
17 1 23738152 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 590 Jim Palmer Card
18 1 23738153 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 253 John Montague Card
19 1 23738154 MINT 9 1980 Topps 310 Dave Parker Card
20 1 23738155 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 200 Jim Rice Card
21 1 23738156 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 406 Paul Molitor Card
22 1 23738157 MINT 9 1980 Topps 602 Brian Downing Card
23 1 23738158 MINT 9 1980 Topps 81 Ted Sizemore Card
24 1 23738159 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 9 Steve Braun Name in Red Card
24 2 23738160 VERY GOOD 3 1980 Topps 9 Steve Braun Name in Red Card
25 1 23738161 MINT 9 1980 Topps 175 Rick Reuschel Card
26 1 23738162 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 645 Rick Burleson Card
27 1 23738163 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 88 Ken Landreaux Card
28 1 23738164 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 478 Gil Flores Card
29 1 23738165 MINT 9 1980 Topps 372 Joel Youngblood Card
30 1 23738166 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 665 Indians Future Stars L.Andersen/B.Cuellar/S.Wihtol Card
31 1 23738167 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 543 Pat Kelly Card
32 1 23738168 MINT 9 1980 Topps 107 Francisco Barrios Card
33 1 23738169 MINT 9 1980 Topps 380 Garry Maddox Card
34 1 23738170 MINT 9 1980 Topps 639 Larry Biittner Card
35 1 23738171 MINT 9 1980 Topps 69 Rick Williams Card
36 1 23738172 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 342 Odell Jones Card
37 1 23738173 MINT 9 1980 Topps 395 Ellis Valentine Card
38 1 23738174 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 160 Eddie Murray Card
39 1 23738175 MINT 9 1980 Topps 219 Steve Mingori Card
40 1 23738176 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 627 Pedro Borbon Card
41 1 23738177 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 130 Amos Otis Card
42 1 23738178 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 601 Buddy Schultz Card
43 1 23738179 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 304 Butch Wynegar Card
44 1 N8: MISCUT 1980 Topps 241 Checklist 122-242 Card
45 1 23738181 MINT 9 1980 Topps 650 Joe Morgan Card
46 1 23738182 MINT 9 1980 Topps 346 Buddy Solomon Card
Edit to add - the Hendu was a subprime example so I am encouraged for the 7Hendus I am holding back for the renewal sub.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Bosox1976
Sorry no pics of the 7 Hendus that would make sense - can't tell one from the other - but below are the 2 prime Ryans I was holding back. Had some success with the lesser Ryans I have been subbing from the vending boxes - around 3 or 4 9s out of 5 subbed, But these two outshine all the others (in my estimation).
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
1 1 23881857 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1972 Topps 54 Bud Harrelson in Action Card
2 1 23881858 MINT 9 OC 1972 Topps 559 Pete Rose Card
2 2 23881859 MINT 9 1972 Topps 559 Pete Rose Card
3 1 23881860 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 Topps 195 1957-MVP's Mickey Mantle/Hank Aaron Card
4 1 23881861 GEM MINT 10 1979 Topps 460 Graig Nettles Card
5 1 23881862 MINT 9 1980 Topps 620 Richie Zisk Card
6 1 23881863 MINT 9 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
6 2 23881864 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 580 Nolan Ryan Card
7 1 23881865 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
7 2 23881866 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
7 3 23881867 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
7 4 23881868 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
7 5 23881869 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
7 6 23881870 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
7 7 23881871 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson Card
Total Items: 15
Grades are ephemeral. They can change with the wind. And one thing I definitely know for sure - When subbing, you should always put the minty 1972 Rose behind the off-centered 1972 Rose - never in front of it.
And It probably isn't good form to sub seven Hendu RCs in a row.
<< <i>Not gonna cry. Some of these can do better.
Grades are ephemeral. They can change with the wind. And one thing I definitely know for sure - When subbing, you should always put the minty 1972 Rose behind the off-centered 1972 Rose - never in front of it. >>
Gotta agree with that statement. You always want to set up the blue chips from your sub. If you have any offgrade commons, particularly from the same year as the card you're setting up, it's best to put them right before that card. You don't want to load up shiny refractors before a big $, high grade vintage card as it will set a high baseline for the grader. Not sure this works 100% but I'd think it has to calibrate the grader to some extent, so that it could influence their grading slightly.
2 1 23873640 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 OC 1972 Topps 50 Willie Mays in Action Card
3 1 23873641 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 Topps 555 Ron Santo Card
4 1 23873642 MINT 9 1978 Topps 500 George Foster Card
5 1 N8: MISCUT 1978 Topps 662 Paul Dade Card
6 1 23873644 MINT 9 1978 Topps 375 Tommy John Card
7 1 23873645 MINT 9 1978 Topps 135 Ron Guidry Card
8 1 23873646 MINT 9 1978 Topps 270 Carlton Fisk Card
9 1 23873647 NEAR MINT 7 1978 Topps 528 Rob Picciolo Card
10 1 23873648 GEM MINT 10 1978 Topps 683 Mike Champion Card
11 1 23873649 MINT 9 1978 Topps 210 Jose Cardenal Card
12 1 23873650 MINT 9 1980 Topps 602 Brian Downing Card
13 1 23873651 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 66 Royals Team Mgr. Jim Frey Card
14 1 23873652 MINT 9 1980 Topps 376 Gary Allenson Card
15 1 23873653 MINT 9 1980 Topps 133 Jerry Turner Card
16 1 23873654 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 320 Dennis Eckersley Card
17 1 23873655 MINT 9 1980 Topps 720 Carl Yastrzemski Card
18 1 23873656 MINT 9 1980 Topps 428 Pat Zachry Card
19 1 23873657 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1980 Topps 65 Al Bumbry Card
20 1 23873658 MINT 9 1980 Topps 679 Dodgers Future Stars Beckwith/Hatcher/Patterson Card
21 1 23873659 MINT 9 1980 Topps 140 Rich Gossage Card
22 1 23873660 MINT 9 1980 Topps 3 1979 Highlights Manny Mota Card
23 1 23873661 MINT 9 1980 Topps 98 Jerry Terrell Card
24 1 23873662 MINT 9 1980 Topps 155 Jerry Remy Card
25 1 23873663 MINT 9 1980 Topps 440 Don Sutton Card
26 1 23873664 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 553 Dick Davis Card
27 1 23873665 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 384 Joey McLaughlin Card
28 1 23873666 MINT 9 1980 Topps 40 Carlton Fisk Card
29 1 23873667 MINT 9 1980 Topps 416 Tom Brookens Card
30 1 23873668 MINT 9 1980 Topps 700 Rod Carew Card
31 1 23873669 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 221 Joe Cannon Card
32 1 23873670 EXCELLENT 5 1980 Topps 23 Derrel Thomas Card
33 1 23873671 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 69 Rick Williams Card
34 1 23873672 MINT 9 1980 Topps 496 Silvio Martinez Card
35 1 23873673 MINT 9 1980 Topps 235 Andre Dawson Card
36 1 23873674 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 310 Dave Parker Card
37 1 23873675 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 26 Marty Pattin Card
37 2 23873676 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 26 Marty Pattin Card
38 1 23873677 MINT 9 1980 Topps 549 Larry Wolfe Card
39 1 23873678 MINT 9 1980 Topps 74 Sid Monge Card
40 1 23873679 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 148 Manny Sanguillen Card
41 1 23873680 MINT 9 1980 Topps 637 Joe Simpson Card
41 2 23873681 MINT 9 1980 Topps 637 Joe Simpson Card
42 1 23873682 MINT 9 1980 Topps 405 Dwight Evans Card
42 2 23873683 MINT 9 1980 Topps 405 Dwight Evans Card
43 1 23873684 MINT 9 1980 Topps 301 Mike Edwards Card
43 2 23873685 MINT 9 1980 Topps 301 Mike Edwards Card
44 1 23873686 MINT 9 1980 Topps 5 1979 Highlights Garry Templeton Card
44 2 23873687 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 5 1979 Highlights Garry Templeton Card
44 3 23873688 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1980 Topps 5 1979 Highlights Garry Templeton
This grader snuck in an 8.5 the last card. As opposed to my Hendu grader, who is 8.5-happy.
Woo hoo 1978 Mike Champion gem mint...woo hoo
These subs are logging and popping with the quickness by the way.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Every card has a certain amount of "flaw". I think that virtually every 10 I have ever received has had a certain amount of "flaw". What seems to change or vacillate is the "flaw threshold" of the grader.
The 1980 Topps issue is particularly flawed. Snow, dot, ink. And the cards I am subbing, for the most part, are typically the most flawed cards in the set.
But grades do change. An 8.5 can go to a 10 depending on the "flaw threshold". We all know there is subjectivity involved. It is a crazy game and I've bought in hook, line and sinker.
The flaw threshold has been low on these particular cards for sure! The corners look great by the way.
Getting an inordinate amount of 8.5s on the Hendus is a particular subjectivity I can't explain.
But, originally, this card wasn't even holdered at all. It was deemed "miscut".
Sorry for showing a 1979 on a 1980 MegaThread!
<< <i>I like the bulge. It gives it character! But see "flaw threshold"! >>
I agree on the flaw threshold. Since a perfect card doesn't exist granting a 10 to any card makes it extremely objective. I've rarely received 10s on pre-1970 cards but got 13 on a single submission of 1969s about ten years ago. The cards were from a vending run and very nice but I didn't think any of them would 10. All had a very slight imperfection on a corner under 10x magnification. Aside from that one sub, I've only received three other tens on pre-1970s cards.
Edit - yep, now it works. Forgot what I was going to post though lol
Well, Charlie Hustle took a remarkable, terrifying grading journey only to arrive back here - where I will stand pat. Does the card have flaws? Sure does. But I always hoped that the grader who doled out Gemint's thirteen 1969 10s would take a look at it. I always thought it deserved a better holder.
Flaw threshold was high on Dennis Blair and it would up selling for nearly $500.
1 23982591 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 13 Ron Pruitt Card
12 1 23982592 MINT 9 1980 Topps 481 Tom Paciorek Card
13 1 23982593 MINT 9 1980 Topps 467 Jesse Jefferson Card
14 1 23982594 MINT 9 1980 Topps 105 Frank Tanana Card
15 1 23982595 GEM MINT 10 1980 Topps 234 Vern Ruhle Card
16 1 23982596 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 4 1979 Highlights Pete Rose Card
17 1 23982597 MINT 9 1980 Topps 382 Dave Freisleben Card
18 1 23982598 MINT 9 1980 Topps 173 John Henry Johnson Card
19 1 23982599 MINT 9 1980 Topps 181 Moose Haas Card
20 1 23982600 MINT 9 1980 Topps 426 Grant Jackson Card
21 1 23982601 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 10 Denny Martinez Card
22 1 23982602 MINT 9 1980 Topps 510 Ron Cey Card
23 1 23982603 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 401 Pete Falcone Card
24 1 23982604 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 414 George Scott Card
25 1 23982605 MINT 9 1980 Topps 524 Jim Wright Card
25 2 23982606 MINT 9 1980 Topps 524 Jim Wright Card
26 1 23982607 MINT 9 1980 Topps 16 Jerry Narron Card
27 1 23982608 MINT 9 1981 Topps 543 Terry Crowley Card
28 1 23982609 MINT 9 1981 Topps 474 Mike LaCoss Card
29 1 23982610 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 184 Jim Dwyer Card
30 1 23982611 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 199 Chuck Rainey Card
31 1 23982612 MINT 9 1981 Topps 183 Dick Davis Card
32 1 23982613 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1981 Topps 708 Doyle Alexander Card
33 1 23982614 MINT 9 1981 Topps 665 Indians Team Card
34 1 23982615 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 485 Garry Templeton Card
35 1 23982616 MINT 9 1981 Topps 367 Denny Martinez Card
36 1 23982617 MINT 9 1981 Topps 151 Claudell Washington Card
36 2 23982618 MINT 9 1981 Topps 151 Claudell Washington Card
37 1 23982619 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 470 Manny Trillo Card
38 1 23982620 MINT 9 1981 Topps 383 Eric Soderholm Card
39 1 23982621 MINT 9 1981 Topps 198 Jerry Dybzinski Card
40 1 23982622 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 653 Bill Fahey Card
41 1 23982623 MINT 9 1981 Topps 660 Gary Carter Card
42 1 23982624 EXCELLENT 5 1981 Topps 531 John Curtis Card
43 1 23982625 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 290 Bob Boone Card
43 2 23982626 MINT 9 1981 Topps 290 Bob Boone Card
44 1 23982627 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 587 Jeff Newman Card
45 1 23982628 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 114 Tom Underwood Card
46 1 23982629 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 707 Dave Cash Card
47 1 23982630 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 68 Matt Alexander Card
48 1 23982631 GEM MINT 10 1981 Topps 16 Ron Davis Card
49 1 23982632 MINT 9 1981 Topps 5 Victory Leaders S.Stone/S.Carlton Card
50 1 23982633 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1981 Topps 456 Jeff Reardon Card
51 1 23982634 MINT 9 1980 Topps 543 Pat Kelly Card
52 1 23982635 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 213 Mike Jorgensen Card
53 1 23982636 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 233 LaRue Washington Card
54 1 23982637 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 466 Mike Squires Card
55 1 23982638 MINT 9 1980 Topps 178 Tim McCarver Card
56 1 23982639 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 145 Darrell Evans Card
57 1 23982640 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 493 Jerry Martin Card
58 1 23982641 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 373 Dan Petry Card
59 1 23982642 MINT 9 1980 Topps 650 Joe Morgan Card
60 1 23982643 MINT 9 1980 Topps 255 Dusty Baker Card
61 1 23982644 MINT 9 1980 Topps 203 RBI Leaders D.Winfield/D.Baylor Card
62 1 23982645 NEAR MINT 7 1980 Topps 207 Earned Run Avg Ldrs J.R.Richard/R.Guidry Card
63 1 23982646 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1980 Topps 565 Dennis Leonard Card
Total Items: 66