Up-Coming Group Break-----Please Read
cincyredlegs
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OK guys, here is what I have reserved from Steve for our break. I think we have a great selection to choose from. I am going to start the break on Monday at 9:00 PM EST. Please do not reserve anything on this thread. I will create an "official group break" thread on Monday at 9.
Year Brand Sport Type Price Price Per
1975 Topps Baseball Mini $3250.00 $90.28 *****FROM A SEALED CASE*****
1977 Topps Baseball Wax $3250.00 $90.28
1978 Topps Baseball Wax $2500.00 $69.44
1978 Topps Baseball Cello $2000.00 $83.33
1978 OPC Baseball Wax $1,100.00 $30.56
1979 Topps Baseball Wax $2000.00 $55.56
1979 Topps Baseball Cello $1400.00 $58.33
1980 Topps Baseball Wax $1100.00 $30.56
1980 Topps Baseball Cello $1200.00 $50.00
1980 Topps Baseball Super Cello $1500.00 $62.50
1981 Topps Baseball Wax $270.00 $7.50
1981 Topps Baseball Cello $275.00 $11.46
1982 Topps Baseball Wax $275.00 $7.64
1982 Topps Baseball Cello $275.00 $11.46
1983 Topps Baseball Wax $275.00 $7.64
1983 Fleer Baseball Wax $110.00 $3.06
1984 Donruss Baseball Wax $285.00 $7.92
1984 Topps Baseball Rack $150.00 $6.25 *****FROM A SEALED CASE*****
1985 Topps Baseball Rack $190.00 $7.92
1986 Donruss Baseball Case $760.00 $38.00
1986 Fleer Baseball Case $760.00 $38.00
1989 UD Low Baseball Wax $95.00 $2.64
1993 SP Baseball Wax $700.00 $29.17
1974 Topps Football Wax $2000.00 $55.56
1978 Topps Football Wax $950.00 $26.39
1979 Topps Football Wax $800.00 $22.22
1979 Topps Football Cello $900.00 $37.50
1981 Topps Football Wax $1050.00 $29.17
1981 Topps Football Cello $1100.00 $45.83
1982 Topps Football Wax $295.00 $8.19
1983 Topps Football Wax $195.00 $5.42
1984 Topps Football Wax $750.00 $20.83
1986 Topps Football Wax $750.00 $20.83
1986 Topps Football Cello $775.00 $32.29
1987 Topps Football Cello $125.00 $5.21
1981 & 82 Topps MW Basketball Wax $395.00 $10.97
Mark
Year Brand Sport Type Price Price Per
1975 Topps Baseball Mini $3250.00 $90.28 *****FROM A SEALED CASE*****
1977 Topps Baseball Wax $3250.00 $90.28
1978 Topps Baseball Wax $2500.00 $69.44
1978 Topps Baseball Cello $2000.00 $83.33
1978 OPC Baseball Wax $1,100.00 $30.56
1979 Topps Baseball Wax $2000.00 $55.56
1979 Topps Baseball Cello $1400.00 $58.33
1980 Topps Baseball Wax $1100.00 $30.56
1980 Topps Baseball Cello $1200.00 $50.00
1980 Topps Baseball Super Cello $1500.00 $62.50
1981 Topps Baseball Wax $270.00 $7.50
1981 Topps Baseball Cello $275.00 $11.46
1982 Topps Baseball Wax $275.00 $7.64
1982 Topps Baseball Cello $275.00 $11.46
1983 Topps Baseball Wax $275.00 $7.64
1983 Fleer Baseball Wax $110.00 $3.06
1984 Donruss Baseball Wax $285.00 $7.92
1984 Topps Baseball Rack $150.00 $6.25 *****FROM A SEALED CASE*****
1985 Topps Baseball Rack $190.00 $7.92
1986 Donruss Baseball Case $760.00 $38.00
1986 Fleer Baseball Case $760.00 $38.00
1989 UD Low Baseball Wax $95.00 $2.64
1993 SP Baseball Wax $700.00 $29.17
1974 Topps Football Wax $2000.00 $55.56
1978 Topps Football Wax $950.00 $26.39
1979 Topps Football Wax $800.00 $22.22
1979 Topps Football Cello $900.00 $37.50
1981 Topps Football Wax $1050.00 $29.17
1981 Topps Football Cello $1100.00 $45.83
1982 Topps Football Wax $295.00 $8.19
1983 Topps Football Wax $195.00 $5.42
1984 Topps Football Wax $750.00 $20.83
1986 Topps Football Wax $750.00 $20.83
1986 Topps Football Cello $775.00 $32.29
1987 Topps Football Cello $125.00 $5.21
1981 & 82 Topps MW Basketball Wax $395.00 $10.97
Mark
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T206 Set - 300/524
T206 Set - 300/524
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<< <i>I'm sorry not to sound dumb but first price is per box and second price per pack? >>
Yes, all boxes are being broken dopwn by pack.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Can you post first round limits so I can start the budget process?
Thanks!
Jim
<< <i>Wonderful selection! Thanks for pulling this together.
Can you post first round limits so I can start the budget process?
Thanks!
Jim >>
First round limit is 2 packs per person per box for first 48 hours.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Too bad the prices don't reflect the good old days too
<< <i>Having flashbacks to the good old days of the group breaks, what a great selection!
Too bad the prices don't reflect the good old days too
Indeed! Just looked back and found this price example from our Fall 2011 Group Break for 79 cellos:
1979 Topps Cello Box(24 Packs) $395 w/discount $14.81 per Pack SOLD OUT!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm sorry not to sound dumb but first price is per box and second price per pack? >>
Except for the 86 Donruss and Fleer - those are price for case and price for box. Limit will probably be 1 box per person in the first 48 hours (sorry, Mark, if I'm being presumptuous - please correct me if I'm wrong).
How are the boxes divided? Is it all randomized? Does one person do it.... Or is it done directly from bbce?
I'm looking forward to this!
Thanks
<< <i>I've never done a group rip here before so sorry if I ask a dumb question.
How are the boxes divided? Is it all randomized? Does one person do it.... Or is it done directly from bbce?
I'm looking forward to this!
Thanks >>
All boxes are broken down and shipped directly from BBCE.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Wonderful selection! Thanks for pulling this together.
Can you post first round limits so I can start the budget process?
Thanks!
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First round limit is 2 packs per person per box for first 48 hours. >>
I think the racks will be 1 per person. Sometimes cellos are 1 per as well.
Also, are these pallet fresh sealed '86 cases?
<< <i>1979 Topps Cello Box(24 Packs) $395 w/discount $14.81 per Pack SOLD OUT! >>
Even then, they were an iffy rip value proposition Lol.
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<< <i>Wonderful selection! Thanks for pulling this together.
Can you post first round limits so I can start the budget process?
Thanks!
Jim >>
First round limit is 2 packs per person per box for first 48 hours. >>
I think the racks will be 1 per person. Sometimes cellos are 1 per as well.
Also, are these pallet fresh sealed '86 cases? >>
Pallet fresh? Is that some kind of Left Coast lingo?? LOL!
I don't think racks or cellos from these years will be limited to 1 per person, but Mark can confirm that.
Full boxes will be, I'm sure, though.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>How did you get my baby pic in there? >>
I found it in a sealed case with all of your baby toys and your bottle! Man you had a lot of toys!
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<< <i>How did you get my baby pic in there? >>
I found it in a sealed case with all of your baby toys and your bottle! Man you had a lot of toys! >>
Yes, but isn't that just speculation on your part? Or is it conjecture??
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>How did you get my baby pic in there? >>
I found it in a sealed case with all of your baby toys and your bottle! Man you had a lot of toys! >>
Yes, but isn't that just speculation on your part? Or is it conjecture?? >>
Its a mix of satire and as Father John Mulcahy would say, jocularity
I should know about?
The 1980 super jumbo cellos are interesting though.
<< <i>I've never participated in a group break, but thinking about it this time. Do these prices include shipping? Are there any other fees
I should know about? >>
No, prices listed, at least in all previous rips, do not include shipping.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I've never participated in a group break, but thinking about it this time. Do these prices include shipping? Are there any other fees
I should know about? >>
No, prices listed, at least in all previous rips, do not include shipping. >>
Then I guess I'd like to know shipping before I committed to anything. Anybody who's bought from BBCE before have a ballpark number for me to ship, say, 4 wax packs or so?
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<< <i>I've never participated in a group break, but thinking about it this time. Do these prices include shipping? Are there any other fees
I should know about? >>
No, prices listed, at least in all previous rips, do not include shipping. >>
Then I guess I'd like to know shipping before I committed to anything. Anybody who's bought from BBCE before have a ballpark number for me to ship, say, 4 wax packs or so? >>
Mark will post shipping charges, which are based on number of packs/boxes purchased, when thread goes live on Monday night. For 4 packs, S&H should probably run you around $5-$6.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
You raise a good point. I don't see the benefit in buying a lot of the items in this group break because the prices are actually higher than the website. Right now there is a premium attached to full wrapped complete wax boxes, but that premium goes away once the box is opened and we all buy packs so unless a discount is offered, you are correct in your analysis. It wasn't too long ago that it was the opposite. When the group would buy a box, it was cheaper than the sum of the packs so it was a way to get a discount on single packs. Doesn't seem to BBCEs problem, because that's just what the market is bearing right now. They don't need to discount prices it appears. Look how fast a 50k mini case just sold for. I would say there is a frenzy of buying going on. Insatiable demand. Might be a sign of a top or leveling out of prices, but who really knows. Some great stuff available.
Working on the following sets
1980's and 1990's Topps Baseball BBCE FASC - Cello or Wax Boxes
1952 Bowman US Presidents PSA 7 & up
Pro Football Hall of Fame Indianapolis Colts PSA Registry Set
June 9th Cubs full ticket or stubs - 1981 to 2020
Andre Dawson Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
Mark Grace Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
The prices may be higher on some items than they are on the site, but it may be because they are coming from complete boxes (although, admittedly, I don't know how you would necessarily know whether a box is original, or packed pieced together - Fleer basketball being an exception).
...but you would have 44 wax packs, 20 cellos packs, 4 (or 2) rack packs and 2 full boxes to collect in the manner you find acceptable.
<< <i>I haven't been on the boards long but I've collected and been a dealer for 20+ years and I need some help here. Example the 1984 Topps FB box is $750 and breaks down for $20.83 a pack. So if I say I want two packs, I pay Steve and get two packs. If I go to his website today he has those ( and many other packs listed in the break) same 84 Topps FB packs for $19. So where is the benefit? I don't see a price break on this from the website so is this just a fun thing everyone gets together and buys a bunch of stuff at regular price? Is s/h and wrapping free? I don't get it. I like seeing all that stuff in one big pic, but I would think if we are all getting together and collectively spending $30+K the prices would be less than what I can get everyday from the exact same place. IMHO. Again if there is something yet to come or a discount I'm not seeing then my apologies. >>
Nothing to see here please disperse
<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys.
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<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys. >>
Personally, I would pay a buck or two more for a pack from a full box vs a random loose pack, but that is just my feeling about it.
Your post was a valid one until you started suggesting that Mark is taking "a kickback" for setting up the rip. I'm sure if you were in his shoes, after having agreed to spend the time and effort to coordinate a group break like this one, that you wouldn't appreciate the neagtive implication such a reference entails. Again, JMHO..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys. >>
Personally, I would pay a buck or two more for a pack from a full box vs a random loose pack, but that is just my feeling about it.
Your post was a valid one until you started suggesting that Mark is taking "a kickback" for setting up the rip. I'm sure if you were in his shoes, after having agreed to spend the time and effort to coordinate a group break like this one, that you wouldn't appreciate the neagtive implication such a reference entails. Again, JMHO.. >>
I don't give a crap if he does get a kickback really. I just want to know why in the world everyone would spend full retail and for that kind of $ not ask for some type of discount, kickback, free rapping of product, anything. I would just work towards negotiating some type of better deal. I guess maybe it's just being part of the group and buying it all up. I guess if there are items on my bucket list that come up for the group break then great, but other than that it just seems like paying full retail price for the items you can buy everyday. Maybe Steve would donate a free 86 D box and everyone that buys a pack(s) in the break gets entered in a drawing for the free box. After buying my last car I at least get a free tank of gas and oil changes. I guess I will leave it at this. I would like it better if someone was getting something out of this. I would think the buying power of $35K would demand some type of deal for someone. Just paying retail price for me is something I can choose to do every time in go to their website. Nothing wrong with it, just seems to be bad business not to ask for a little bit more for this type of transaction.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
As for Mark - wouldn't know him from the proverbial hole in the wall. The guy is as stand up as they come. Sometimes there are random raffles for the empty boxes, sometimes there isn't. Steve has been more than benevolent over the years with these rips - it's a lot of work for him and his crew to make sure all orders are fulfilled fairly and accurately - and he will still provide discounts on our boxes (depends on demand for certain product).
Take a search through the past rips here - some of the best threads you will see on any board on any topic. Do we sometimes overpay? Perhaps. I for one don't care because like I said these things are G-D fun. Each to his own I guess.
For those newbies asking (Dan, etc.), here is a link to a slightly older rip that explains rules. Shipping prices have changed and some ground rules may have changed, but the general gist is still there: Ghost of rips past
Now, I am off to shake sofa cushions to find money and otherwise develop master plans to spend that and other money I don't have and still live under the same roof as Mrs. Americans.
And be among the minority mourning the missing of some mid-80's hockey (always a touch sell, but still).
Topps/OPC Hockey 1966-Present base sets
<< <i>Fair enough, Ltl509, and I understand your point...I believe (and Mark can correct me if I'm wrong) that Steve will shrinkwrap packs from the rip at no additional cost, if requested. As far as paying a bit more for these packs vs for the pack on the site, I would pay a premium for a pack that is box fresh over a random loose one, as long as the difference is nominal. >>
When I spoke to Steve yesterday he said he wasn't wrapping wax packs any longer due to PSA asking him not to but cellos and racks are still a go. Might be different for a group break but that was news to me yesterday and sad because I have several I wanted authenticated.
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<< <i>Fair enough, Ltl509, and I understand your point...I believe (and Mark can correct me if I'm wrong) that Steve will shrinkwrap packs from the rip at no additional cost, if requested. As far as paying a bit more for these packs vs for the pack on the site, I would pay a premium for a pack that is box fresh over a random loose one, as long as the difference is nominal. >>
When I spoke to Steve yesterday he said he wasn't wrapping wax packs any longer due to PSA asking him not to but cellos and racks are still a go. Might be different for a group break but that was news to me yesterday and sad because I have several I wanted authenticated. >>
My understanding is that he will wrap wax packs if multiple packs are being wrapped at the same time in a "stack," but that he doesn't do it for single packs because of the PSA grading agreement. Perhaps that has changed?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Fair enough, Ltl509, and I understand your point...I believe (and Mark can correct me if I'm wrong) that Steve will shrinkwrap packs from the rip at no additional cost, if requested. As far as paying a bit more for these packs vs for the pack on the site, I would pay a premium for a pack that is box fresh over a random loose one, as long as the difference is nominal. >>
When I spoke to Steve yesterday he said he wasn't wrapping wax packs any longer due to PSA asking him not to but cellos and racks are still a go. Might be different for a group break but that was news to me yesterday and sad because I have several I wanted authenticated. >>
My understanding is that he will wrap wax packs if multiple packs are being wrapped at the same time in a "stack," but that he doesn't do it for single packs because of the PSA grading agreement. Perhaps that has changed? >>
I hope you are correct. We were discussing many things and maybe he thought I has speaking of individuals. I might need to clarify with him.