<< <i>So if I have a vintage pack, in perfect condition (including loose gum), then psa won't slab it AND they won't let Steve wrap it? So psa is the woman who that breaks up with you, but then makes sure you don't see other people. >>
Hahah! Definitely seems so. I guess I will open the LTL509 single pack with loose gum grading service. Sounds like there could be a market for it..
This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway.....
To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
<< <i>So if I have a vintage pack, in perfect condition (including loose gum), then psa won't slab it AND they won't let Steve wrap it? So psa is the woman who that breaks up with you, but then makes sure you don't see other people. >>
You could always send it to GAI, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
What, that shiny American Silver Eagle wasn't impressive enough for you?? LOL!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250). >>
Why no discount from the website? I get the concept of a group break and fun sharing what is pulled if opened. I also appreciate the efforts of the coordinator. However we are a multi-thousand dollar group pulling resources together. My common business sense tells me there should be a discount. So what am I missing or what was not negotiated?
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Case break vs box break. I'm okay with wanting a better deal, but apples to apples. >>
I'd agree with this assessment from our West Coast dude~a 48K sealed case unit does trump a single $3,250 box from a case.
Edit to add: I see PMKay is chiming in with a potshot at BBCE, right on cue, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Most of this stuff is in high demand. And many of us were lamenting how quickly it went on the site after listing or that most was only available by the box. I for one, was stoked to find out that it hadn't yet sold and Mark was in fact able to secure it for the group, and Steve was willing to accommodate. Truth is, Steve could've sold those by the box for a lot less hassle than dealing with the lot of us, as I'm sure these rips have a fair cost to him in dealing with splitting out and accounting for it all. Plus, not all of this rip is available by the pack and many of us cannot afford box prices, so if I pay a small percentage more so that we can secure some of this stuff, I'm ok with that. Plus, we've done pretty well in the past and I like the idea of splitting full boxes as a team, as a few people usually make out with something. Further, this probably gives you an idea on the next round of prices.
My 2 cents
52-90 All Sports, Mostly Topps, Mostly HOF, and some assorted wax.
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Case break vs box break. I'm okay with wanting a better deal, but apples to apples. >>
I'd agree with this assessment from our West Coast dude~a 48K sealed case unit does trump a single $3,250 box from a case.
Edit to add: I see PMKay is chiming in with a potshot at BBCE, right on cue, LOL.. >>
My comment (photo) was directed at this discussion not a potshot against BBCE. I noticed the price differences between group rip prices and their site prices earlier this afternoon and figured there had to be a reason for it so I didn't bring it up.
Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around.
<< <i>Why no discount from the website? I get the concept of a group break and fun sharing what is pulled if opened. I also appreciate the efforts of the coordinator. However we are a multi-thousand dollar group pulling resources together. My common business sense tells me there should be a discount. So what am I missing or what was not negotiated? >>
<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+
<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+ >>
If you don't like the way things are done, don't participate. Pretty simple. No need to keep going with this carp no matter your thinking.
Working on the following sets
1980's and 1990's Topps Baseball BBCE FASC - Cello or Wax Boxes
1952 Bowman US Presidents PSA 7 & up
Pro Football Hall of Fame Indianapolis Colts PSA Registry Set
June 9th Cubs full ticket or stubs - 1981 to 2020
Andre Dawson Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
Mark Grace Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+ >>
If you don't like the way things are done, don't participate. Pretty simple. No need to keep going with this carp no matter your thinking. >>
+1
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+ >>
If you don't like the way things are done, don't participate. Pretty simple. No need to keep going with this carp no matter your thinking. >>
I'm entitled to my opinion even if you don't share it. I don't think your ideas are crap and I was just pointing out he forgot about the 79 case. If you don't like the discussion maybe you shouldn't participate in it. I can comment on the way things are done. You have your opinion aNd I mine. Each should be spoken and let people think what they want. Seems the good ole boy club of these forums want to shut up everyone who doesn't stay the course of shut up and tow the line of status quo.
<< <i>Seems the good ole boy club of these forums want to shut up everyone who doesn't stay the course of shut up and tow the line of status quo. >>
Playing the old martyr card when guys don't agree with you.
This thread isn't about soliciting opinions about BBCE group box breaks. You are in essense highjacking the thread which will always solicit negative comments. If you started your own thread regarding the merits of the BBCE group box breaks, I for one wouldn't have a problem with that. But like you said, it is a public forum and you are entitled to comment as you see fit. JMHO.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
At the moment there is a premium in the market for boxes over loose packs. So, it may be reasonable to expect some volume discount based on buying a bunch of boxes, or spending $100K, but it doesn't seem meaningful to compare box prices to loose pack prices.
Wish I could join you guys...what a fun break with amazing variety!!! The last 75 mini I had 8 nice cards go to PSA, can't wait to see results...hope you all get some beauties as well. That 74 FB box is awesome btw.
I have no problem doing it as is. I have been participating for years and never had a problem. It was great to get a discount all those years--but my oh my have times changed with vintage unopened
If you feel the group rips are not for you--then don't participate.
If you feel you need to spread your vast knowledge to the other members, feel free to do so--it's an open forum.
If you feel you can "get a better deal" by calling Steve--by all means then do so.
The other member who said Steve would be better off selling hi dollar vintage to 1 person--is correct--it's gonna go quick anyway
Seems the good ole boy club of these forums want to shut up everyone who doesn't stay the course of shut up and tow the line of status quo.
I'm excited for this break and appreciate that someone is willing to step up and organize this with everyone. I'm sure there are pieces of information that isn't obvious to is so it's easy to over react to the prices. Everyone is entitled voice their opinion but I think the newer members like myself need to give the more experienced board members the benefit of the doubt. Asking questions about the process is fine, but some of us need to be careful with how we word those Q's because they come off as accusatory.
As far as the prices per pack, I understand the premium of buying from a sealed case or box vs a loose pack. For example, (and I am not saying that BBCE would do this) if it's known that there are 2.5 Jordan's per box of 86 fleer with 36 packs. Say you rip 12 packs and find 2 Jordans. Why not sell the remaining 24 packs b/c the odds of that 3rd Jordan per pack isn't worth the rip value. As any dealer operates for a profit, I don't see why they wouldn't do this. Also, there is premium for the labor it takes bbce to individually process payments and sell each pack vs processing 1 transaction and shipping 1 box. Lastly, some of the individual packs aren't available without ripping the box as a group so it makes packs available to those with less deep pockets.
Now, was there a discount negotiated between the organizer and bbce? I have no clue and I'm not going to accuse him. Is the organizer going to get some sort of compensation for the work of organizing the break. I have no clue. What I do know is the stated price per pack being offered and we all have the decision to participate or not participate. I'm excited to see the results of the rips.
OK guys, I wasn't going to post but will one time for all the new members that have not participated in a break yet. We used to get a 10% discount with Steve on our breaks. This happened for 2-3 years. In my opinion during this time Steve was selling un-opened below the market value. Only in the past 6-12 months has his prices matched what the market will bear. The last two breaks (last 12 months), Steve has been very selective on the product he will give us the 10% discount on. I am most board members understand this. He could sell on his site for the full asking price in a matter of days.....alot of times in the matter of hours. Just see what happened on Friday. I did ask Steve if he would be able to provide us with a discount but he said he couldn't. I did go back and question him on the 75 mini box last night and should hear back from him today.
Concerning whether I personally have received any compensation from Steve from these rips, the answer is no. Unless you consider a slight case of carpal tunnel (from all the typing), several days where I didn't get much sleep (staying up late to make sure the thread was updated to the latest posters so people knew if a box was sold out or someone knew if they got the last packs) or having to defend how the breaks are run. I can tell you personally that the guy before me, Mike, tried like hell to get a discount from Steve for putting the breaks together and Steve would not. I have never ask. I do it because I like to do it.
For the new guys, I understand you have questions. I have no issue with that. I have answered questions for a lot of the old new guys over the years. The issue is with the accusatory approach of some of the posts. Not cool. I have always been open and honest with everything to do about these breaks. If someone else would like to give the break facilitator a try, you are more than welcome to it. You will see that it is not as "glamorous" as you think nor will you not get anything more out of it than if you just participated.
If you want to participate, then GREAT. Would love to have more un-opened guys in the breaks. If not, then I kindly ask you to refrain from the negativity.
<< <i>Now, was there a discount negotiated between the organizer and bbce? I have no clue and I'm not going to accuse him. Is the organizer going to get some sort of compensation for the work of organizing the break. I have no clue. >>
To my knowledge, Mark (cincy) does not benefit from coordinating the carnage. In truth, he should. Either way, he's a rock solid egg who is simply a junkie like the rest of us. That's really all anyone needs to know.
Enjoy the rip, and if you watch from the sidelines, enjoy the voyeurism.
fellas, there is NOBODY more dedicated or loyal to this forum than cincyredlegs when it comes to doing these breaks. the amount of effort that goes into coordinating these deals should not be overlooked and as participants, past or present, we should bow at his feet and be thankful someone is willing to do this right. the relationship Mark has with Steve didn't just happen because he's freaky for cards. he's helped out dozens of members, many of whom have greatly benefitted from their acquisitions.
now as far as these currents prices go compared to old days, all i can say is OH. MY. GAWD!!
<< <i>fellas, there is NOBODY more dedicated or loyal to this forum than cincyredlegs when it comes to doing these breaks. the amount of effort that goes into coordinating these deals should not be overlooked and as participants, past or present, we should bow at his feet and be thankful someone is willing to do this right. >>
Oh carp, his head doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is.
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting: Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>fellas, there is NOBODY more dedicated or loyal to this forum than cincyredlegs when it comes to doing these breaks. the amount of effort that goes into coordinating these deals should not be overlooked and as participants, past or present, we should bow at his feet and be thankful someone is willing to do this right. >>
Oh carp, his head doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is. >>
LMFAO........my wife always said my head looks like a watermelon. A damn good looking watermelon I might add .
Thanks for all the kind words fellas. It does mean a lot.
While Mark doesn't get any financial kickback for coordinating these rips, it's a known fact that Steve has his crew set aside any packs with Reds on top or bottom for him when fulfilling the orders.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Whiler Mark doesn't get any financial kickback for coordinating these rips, it's a known fact that Steve has his crew set aside any packs with Reds on top or bottom for him when fulfilling the orders. >>
Tim, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
I am trying to put a run of Nick Esasky and Pedro Borbon on top cellos and racks.
First, I was only asking a question in regards to not seeing the value of the "group break". I would expect to see some type of kickback, discount, or throw in when spending $35K. No disrespect intended towards Mark. I don't know him, and no idea what the allure was so I was simplying trying to understand if there was some type of monetary gain for someone / anyone in doing this.
Second, sure getting packs from on unopened box is great. If I busted packs I assume I would prefer this route as well. I would too assume that buying individual packs from BBCE would give the same type of odds as packs from a sealed box. Maybe not and this is why there is the value of doing this in the group break format.
Third, for those of you that say if I don't like it don't participate, I get it. I feel the same way that if this is your cup of tea then go for it. I hope you add many items to your collection and rip many PSA 9 & 10's. I may buy a few packs, I may not. But I can also buy many of the exact same items from BBCE on their website today at nearly the exact same price. Since I have been actively reading the boards over the past few months is the first group break involving multiple products. It looks fun. Lots of cool stuff and interesting mix. I then began to crunch the numbers and didn't understand the advantage of doing this as a group. That was all.
Lastly, I hear ya that this stuff is like gold and BBCE can put it on their website and it will sell with no discount so that is why we pay retail. Got it. I was at the 2013 National and bought and am still holding all the unopened I bought there and it has continued to skyrocket. I understand that and am aware that getting a big discount probably doesn't happen. However, I think that since the members of this group have shown tremendous buying power over the years that at some point that would be leveraged. Maybe I missed some of the discounts over the years. Maybe the next group break could be a collection of boxes / packs that BBCE would be willing to discount due to they have a few extra or items that have not moved over the years. I know they discount unopened at Christmas for their Black Friday specials, etc. Maybe we could suggest a Black Friday Christmas in July group break of items that are discounted a bit over their regular price. Maybe the selection wouldn't be as great but I'm ok with that.
So to those of you I offended or pissed off, my apologies. Enjoy the break. Good luck with your packs.
<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys. >>
Personally, I would pay a buck or two more for a pack from a full box vs a random loose pack, but that is just my feeling about it.
Your post was a valid one until you started suggesting that Mark is taking "a kickback" for setting up the rip. I'm sure if you were in his shoes, after having agreed to spend the time and effort to coordinate a group break like this one, that you wouldn't appreciate the neagtive implication such a reference entails. Again, JMHO.. >>
Unless the full box came from a sealed case there is no way of knowing if the box was simply filled with random packs--really no different than buying a loose pack.
This is wild!! I understand all the new guys having questions on how this all works. Heck, I had 100 questions on my first group break as well. But I will tell you what I didnt do. I did not come on here demanding discounts, demanding empty boxes, or demanding the break overall be done to what I feel is fair. Guys, this isnt prison, nobody is forcing you into this. Here is a thought or 2 that have popped into my mind while reading this mess.
#1. Discounts- While its always nice to get a bargain on something, you gotta wonder what it will cost you in the long run. I will give you an example. In this rip, there is a box that I have been wanting for quite some time. I would be more than willing to pay the price for the full box RIGHT NOW! Now, would it be easier for them to sell me the box, 1 shipping, 1 payment, process is done. They get the same price for the box that they are going to get during the group rip minus the headache of shipping 2 or 3 packs to 15-20 people. The way I see it, is we are getting a discount. the guys at BBCE are donating their time to sell their stuff in the most labor intensive way possible BECAUSE they value us as costumers.
#2 Common Decency- Mark and BBCE have been working together for several years, putting up with many guys boo-hooing to provide us this service. I am very thankful for that. If I were in EITHER ONE of their places, I would tell this board to politly, pound rocks. Mark doesnt pocket a penny, and as I mentioned, BBCE is donating free labor to sell stuff to dozens of people that they could sell to 4 or 5.
Sorry for the winded rant guys, but this really gets to me. Let me say again, Thanks Mark and BBCE for putting up with us!!
<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys. >>
Personally, I would pay a buck or two more for a pack from a full box vs a random loose pack, but that is just my feeling about it.
Your post was a valid one until you started suggesting that Mark is taking "a kickback" for setting up the rip. I'm sure if you were in his shoes, after having agreed to spend the time and effort to coordinate a group break like this one, that you wouldn't appreciate the neagtive implication such a reference entails. Again, JMHO.. >>
Unless the full box came from a sealed case there is no way of knowing if the box was simply filled with random packs--really no different than buying a loose pack. >>
What you say is technically true, but again, I'd rather pay an extra dollar or dollar twenty-five per pack in the chance that the packs are from an original box and/or in box fresh condition.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This is wild!! I understand all the new guys having questions on how this all works. Heck, I had 100 questions on my first group break as well. But I will tell you what I didnt do. I did not come on here demanding discounts, demanding empty boxes, or demanding the break overall be done to what I feel is fair. Guys, this isnt prison, nobody is forcing you into this. Here is a thought or 2 that have popped into my mind while reading this mess.
#1. Discounts- While its always nice to get a bargain on something, you gotta wonder what it will cost you in the long run. I will give you an example. In this rip, there is a box that I have been wanting for quite some time. I would be more than willing to pay the price for the full box RIGHT NOW! Now, would it be easier for them to sell me the box, 1 shipping, 1 payment, process is done. They get the same price for the box that they are going to get during the group rip minus the headache of shipping 2 or 3 packs to 15-20 people. The way I see it, is we are getting a discount. the guys at BBCE are donating their time to sell their stuff in the most labor intensive way possible BECAUSE they value us as costumers.
#2 Common Decency- Mark and BBCE have been working together for several years, putting up with many guys boo-hooing to provide us this service. I am very thankful for that. If I were in EITHER ONE of their places, I would tell this board to politly, pound rocks. Mark doesnt pocket a penny, and as I mentioned, BBCE is donating free labor to sell stuff to dozens of people that they could sell to 4 or 5.
Sorry for the winded rant guys, but this really gets to me. Let me say again, Thanks Mark and BBCE for putting up with us!! >>
Never demanded any of this. Simply asking questions. Did I say I should get the empty boxes? No I asked what happened to them. They are cool and let's say I had 20 packs of 84T FB I might want that empty box for display. Just didn't know. Thanks.
<< <i>Never demanded any of this. Simply asking questions. Did I say I should get the empty boxes? No I asked what happened to them. They are cool and let's say I had 20 packs of 84T FB I might want that empty box for display. Just didn't know. Thanks. >>
Ltl509, my post wasnt directed at you. If you took it that way, I apologize. It was more to the general feeling I was getting overall from this thread.
And for what its worth, the empty box part was a flashback from a previous rip. A guy back then was crying in his pillow about the same thing.
<< <i>Never demanded any of this. Simply asking questions. Did I say I should get the empty boxes? No I asked what happened to them. They are cool and let's say I had 20 packs of 84T FB I might want that empty box for display. Just didn't know. Thanks. >>
Ltl509, my post wasnt directed at you. If you took it that way, I apologize. It was more to the general feeling I was getting overall from this thread.
And for what its worth, the empty box part was a flashback from a previous rip. A guy back then was crying in his pillow about the same thing. >>
Gotcha. I just traded a board member a 81 FB box for his lot of packs. I know there are many that build some of the more expense boxes pack by pack so those boxes definetely have collectability at some point. Mark messaged me about how those are distributed.
ChiefsFan, I hope I'm not being lumped in with these other "new guys." Yes, I've never done one, and I asked some questions. But my questions were "how much is shipping" and "who do I pay?" I'm not questioning Mark's motives, nor the process.
<< <i>ChiefsFan, I hope I'm not being lumped in with these other "new guys." Yes, I've never done one, and I asked some questions. But my questions were "how much is shipping" and "who do I pay?" I'm not questioning Mark's motives, nor the process. >>
I wasnt trying to point anybody out in particular. Like I said, I myself had many questions my first go-around. As a matter of fact, these questions I am curious about myself. Gotta see what I can get for the few pennies I have left from Cleveland
Tim, when I said "pallet fresh" I was playing on the idea of cards being pack fresh and boxes being case fresh. I kind of doubt '86 fleer or donruss was actually delivered on a pallet, but from what I remember, 87 topps went to warehouses that way. So if there are any full pallets left, those cases would be pallet fresh. Card companies on ebay sometimes sell moldy water damaged cases. Those are not pallet fresh.
The cases in the pic look fine. Will they be labeled, from a sealed case?
To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
<< <i>Tim, when I said "pallet fresh" I was playing on the idea of cards being pack fresh and boxes being case fresh. I kind of doubt '86 fleer or donruss was actually delivered on a pallet, but from what I remember, 87 topps went to warehouses that way. So if there are any full pallets left, those cases would be pallet fresh. Card companies on ebay sometimes sell moldy water damaged cases. Those are not pallet fresh.
The cases in the pic look fine. Will they be labeled, from a sealed case? >>
What about cases propped up on plastic milk crates? Would those count?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Comments
<< <i>So if I have a vintage pack, in perfect condition (including loose gum), then psa won't slab it AND they won't let Steve wrap it? So psa is the woman who that breaks up with you, but then makes sure you don't see other people. >>
Hahah! Definitely seems so. I guess I will open the LTL509 single pack with loose gum grading service. Sounds like there could be a market for it..
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway.....
<< <i>So if I have a vintage pack, in perfect condition (including loose gum), then psa won't slab it AND they won't let Steve wrap it? So psa is the woman who that breaks up with you, but then makes sure you don't see other people. >>
You could always send it to GAI, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
What, that shiny American Silver Eagle wasn't impressive enough for you?? LOL!!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Like Maury says
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<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250). >>
<< <i>But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250). >>
Until a better explanation comes along the below video may explain the price difference.
Explainitory Video
Edit: I am sure someone can and will explain it better than I did.
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<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Like Maury says >>
Case break vs box break. I'm okay with wanting a better deal, but apples to apples.
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<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Like Maury says >>
Case break vs box break. I'm okay with wanting a better deal, but apples to apples. >>
I would think the price will get adjusted and this will be a non issue by the start of the rip.
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<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Like Maury says >>
Case break vs box break. I'm okay with wanting a better deal, but apples to apples. >>
I'd agree with this assessment from our West Coast dude~a 48K sealed case unit does trump a single $3,250 box from a case.
Edit to add: I see PMKay is chiming in with a potshot at BBCE, right on cue, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
My 2 cents
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<< <i>This 75 mini box is from a sealed case. The $75 pack is not. You might get a Bob Gibson showing on the back of the sealed case pack, but there probably won't be a star showing on the loose pack.
Of course, if you trade the pack to Tim without looking, then it doesn't matter anyway..... >>
But in Kurtis Joseph's thread they are getting 16 boxes "from a sealed case" for $3,000 each (not $3,250).
Like Maury says >>
Case break vs box break. I'm okay with wanting a better deal, but apples to apples. >>
I'd agree with this assessment from our West Coast dude~a 48K sealed case unit does trump a single $3,250 box from a case.
Edit to add: I see PMKay is chiming in with a potshot at BBCE, right on cue, LOL.. >>
My comment (photo) was directed at this discussion not a potshot against BBCE. I noticed the price differences between group rip prices and their site prices earlier this afternoon and figured there had to be a reason for it so I didn't bring it up.
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around.
<< <i>Why no discount from the website? I get the concept of a group break and fun sharing what is pulled if opened. I also appreciate the efforts of the coordinator. However we are a multi-thousand dollar group pulling resources together. My common business sense tells me there should be a discount. So what am I missing or what was not negotiated? >>
Hear Hear!!
<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+
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<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+ >>
If you don't like the way things are done, don't participate. Pretty simple. No need to keep going with this carp no matter your thinking.
Working on the following sets
1980's and 1990's Topps Baseball BBCE FASC - Cello or Wax Boxes
1952 Bowman US Presidents PSA 7 & up
Pro Football Hall of Fame Indianapolis Colts PSA Registry Set
June 9th Cubs full ticket or stubs - 1981 to 2020
Andre Dawson Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
Mark Grace Topps Basic registry PSA 10's
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<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+ >>
If you don't like the way things are done, don't participate. Pretty simple. No need to keep going with this carp no matter your thinking. >>
+1
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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<< <i>Because of this forum (the 75 mini case and the group rip) BBCE is doing $80,000+ in sales in one fell swoop. Will it sell anyway in this unopened climate? Probably, but this is a lightning fast turnaround of $80,000 in capital (not plaid stamps) instead of having to piece it out over weeks and months (or longer).
BBCE comes home from the National with their pockets much lighter from spending on new unopened material and then almost immediately has 80K fall into their lap. No one is saying take 8K off the price, but at the very least the forum members deserve the common courtesy of a reach around. >>
Don't forget the $30K 1979 Topps Tray case we bought. Make it $100K+ >>
If you don't like the way things are done, don't participate. Pretty simple. No need to keep going with this carp no matter your thinking. >>
I'm entitled to my opinion even if you don't share it. I don't think your ideas are crap and I was just pointing out he forgot about the 79 case. If you don't like the discussion maybe you shouldn't participate in it. I can comment on the way things are done. You have your opinion aNd I mine. Each should be spoken and let people think what they want. Seems the good ole boy club of these forums want to shut up everyone who doesn't stay the course of shut up and tow the line of status quo.
<< <i>Seems the good ole boy club of these forums want to shut up everyone who doesn't stay the course of shut up and tow the line of status quo. >>
Playing the old martyr card when guys don't agree with you.
This thread isn't about soliciting opinions about BBCE group box breaks. You are in essense highjacking the thread which will always solicit negative comments. If you started your own thread regarding the merits of the BBCE group box breaks, I for one wouldn't have a problem with that. But like you said, it is a public forum and you are entitled to comment as you see fit. JMHO.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
If you feel the group rips are not for you--then don't participate.
If you feel you need to spread your vast knowledge to the other members, feel free to do so--it's an open forum.
If you feel you can "get a better deal" by calling Steve--by all means then do so.
The other member who said Steve would be better off selling hi dollar vintage to 1 person--is correct--it's gonna go quick anyway
Seems the good ole boy club of these forums want to shut up everyone who doesn't stay the course of shut up and tow the line of status quo.
huh?? Oh--37 posts...I get it
As far as the prices per pack, I understand the premium of buying from a sealed case or box vs a loose pack. For example, (and I am not saying that BBCE would do this) if it's known that there are 2.5 Jordan's per box of 86 fleer with 36 packs. Say you rip 12 packs and find 2 Jordans. Why not sell the remaining 24 packs b/c the odds of that 3rd Jordan per pack isn't worth the rip value. As any dealer operates for a profit, I don't see why they wouldn't do this. Also, there is premium for the labor it takes bbce to individually process payments and sell each pack vs processing 1 transaction and shipping 1 box. Lastly, some of the individual packs aren't available without ripping the box as a group so it makes packs available to those with less deep pockets.
Now, was there a discount negotiated between the organizer and bbce? I have no clue and I'm not going to accuse him. Is the organizer going to get some sort of compensation for the work of organizing the break. I have no clue. What I do know is the stated price per pack being offered and we all have the decision to participate or not participate. I'm excited to see the results of the rips.
Concerning whether I personally have received any compensation from Steve from these rips, the answer is no. Unless you consider a slight case of carpal tunnel (from all the typing), several days where I didn't get much sleep (staying up late to make sure the thread was updated to the latest posters so people knew if a box was sold out or someone knew if they got the last packs) or having to defend how the breaks are run. I can tell you personally that the guy before me, Mike, tried like hell to get a discount from Steve for putting the breaks together and Steve would not. I have never ask. I do it because I like to do it.
For the new guys, I understand you have questions. I have no issue with that. I have answered questions for a lot of the old new guys over the years. The issue is with the accusatory approach of some of the posts. Not cool. I have always been open and honest with everything to do about these breaks. If someone else would like to give the break facilitator a try, you are more than welcome to it. You will see that it is not as "glamorous" as you think nor will you not get anything more out of it than if you just participated.
If you want to participate, then GREAT. Would love to have more un-opened guys in the breaks. If not, then I kindly ask you to refrain from the negativity.
Mark
T206 Set - 300/524
<< <i>Now, was there a discount negotiated between the organizer and bbce? I have no clue and I'm not going to accuse him. Is the organizer going to get some sort of compensation for the work of organizing the break. I have no clue. >>
To my knowledge, Mark (cincy) does not benefit from coordinating the carnage. In truth, he should. Either way, he's a rock solid egg who is simply a junkie like the rest of us. That's really all anyone needs to know.
Enjoy the rip, and if you watch from the sidelines, enjoy the voyeurism.
Edit: the man himself beat me to the punch!
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
fellas, there is NOBODY more dedicated or loyal to this forum than cincyredlegs when it comes to doing these breaks. the amount of effort that goes into coordinating these deals should not be overlooked and as participants, past or present, we should bow at his feet and be thankful someone is willing to do this right. the relationship Mark has with Steve didn't just happen because he's freaky for cards. he's helped out dozens of members, many of whom have greatly benefitted from their acquisitions.
now as far as these currents prices go compared to old days, all i can say is OH. MY. GAWD!!
<< <i>fellas, there is NOBODY more dedicated or loyal to this forum than cincyredlegs when it comes to doing these breaks. the amount of effort that goes into coordinating these deals should not be overlooked and as participants, past or present, we should bow at his feet and be thankful someone is willing to do this right. >>
Oh carp, his head doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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<< <i>fellas, there is NOBODY more dedicated or loyal to this forum than cincyredlegs when it comes to doing these breaks. the amount of effort that goes into coordinating these deals should not be overlooked and as participants, past or present, we should bow at his feet and be thankful someone is willing to do this right. >>
Oh carp, his head doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is.
LMFAO........my wife always said my head looks like a watermelon. A damn good looking watermelon I might add
Thanks for all the kind words fellas. It does mean a lot.
Mark
T206 Set - 300/524
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Whiler Mark doesn't get any financial kickback for coordinating these rips, it's a known fact that Steve has his crew set aside any packs with Reds on top or bottom for him when fulfilling the orders. >>
Tim, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
I am trying to put a run of Nick Esasky and Pedro Borbon on top cellos and racks.
T206 Set - 300/524
First, I was only asking a question in regards to not seeing the value of the "group break". I would expect to see some type of kickback, discount, or throw in when spending $35K. No disrespect intended towards Mark. I don't know him, and no idea what the allure was so I was simplying trying to understand if there was some type of monetary gain for someone / anyone in doing this.
Second, sure getting packs from on unopened box is great. If I busted packs I assume I would prefer this route as well. I would too assume that buying individual packs from BBCE would give the same type of odds as packs from a sealed box. Maybe not and this is why there is the value of doing this in the group break format.
Third, for those of you that say if I don't like it don't participate, I get it. I feel the same way that if this is your cup of tea then go for it. I hope you add many items to your collection and rip many PSA 9 & 10's. I may buy a few packs, I may not. But I can also buy many of the exact same items from BBCE on their website today at nearly the exact same price. Since I have been actively reading the boards over the past few months is the first group break involving multiple products. It looks fun. Lots of cool stuff and interesting mix. I then began to crunch the numbers and didn't understand the advantage of doing this as a group. That was all.
Lastly, I hear ya that this stuff is like gold and BBCE can put it on their website and it will sell with no discount so that is why we pay retail. Got it. I was at the 2013 National and bought and am still holding all the unopened I bought there and it has continued to skyrocket. I understand that and am aware that getting a big discount probably doesn't happen. However, I think that since the members of this group have shown tremendous buying power over the years that at some point that would be leveraged. Maybe I missed some of the discounts over the years. Maybe the next group break could be a collection of boxes / packs that BBCE would be willing to discount due to they have a few extra or items that have not moved over the years. I know they discount unopened at Christmas for their Black Friday specials, etc. Maybe we could suggest a Black Friday Christmas in July group break of items that are discounted a bit over their regular price. Maybe the selection wouldn't be as great but I'm ok with that.
So to those of you I offended or pissed off, my apologies. Enjoy the break. Good luck with your packs.
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<< <i>I guess for my money I rather negotiate a better price. At the BBCE booth at the 2013 national I told the guy what I wanted and it totally $625 and I asked what the best he could do and he sold it to me for $585. I bought all vintage unopened. I would just assume if you called BBCE and said I want to buy $35K in unopened what's the best you can do, I'm 100% sure there would be some type of price break. Lastly, what happens to the display boxes? While some have little value, others are worth $20-$50. Who gets those? Does BBCE keep them? I have no clue how this works and why it seems like it's not a deal. Maybe the guy setting it up gets a kickback, I don't know. I'm not trying to go all conspiracy theory here but I would think there would be a better deal if you were going to spend that kind of $. >>
You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys. >>
Personally, I would pay a buck or two more for a pack from a full box vs a random loose pack, but that is just my feeling about it.
Your post was a valid one until you started suggesting that Mark is taking "a kickback" for setting up the rip. I'm sure if you were in his shoes, after having agreed to spend the time and effort to coordinate a group break like this one, that you wouldn't appreciate the neagtive implication such a reference entails. Again, JMHO.. >>
Unless the full box came from a sealed case there is no way of knowing if the box was simply filled with random packs--really no different than buying a loose pack.
questions on my first group break as well. But I will tell you what I didnt do. I did not come on here
demanding discounts, demanding empty boxes, or demanding the break overall be done to what I
feel is fair. Guys, this isnt prison, nobody is forcing you into this. Here is a thought or 2 that have popped
into my mind while reading this mess.
#1. Discounts- While its always nice to get a bargain on something, you gotta wonder what it will cost you
in the long run. I will give you an example. In this rip, there is a box that I have been wanting for quite
some time. I would be more than willing to pay the price for the full box RIGHT NOW! Now, would it be
easier for them to sell me the box, 1 shipping, 1 payment, process is done. They get the same price for
the box that they are going to get during the group rip minus the headache of shipping 2 or 3 packs to 15-20
people. The way I see it, is we are getting a discount. the guys at BBCE are donating their time to sell
their stuff in the most labor intensive way possible BECAUSE they value us as costumers.
#2 Common Decency- Mark and BBCE have been working together for several years, putting up with
many guys boo-hooing to provide us this service. I am very thankful for that. If I were in EITHER ONE
of their places, I would tell this board to politly, pound rocks. Mark doesnt pocket a penny, and as I
mentioned, BBCE is donating free labor to sell stuff to dozens of people that they could sell to 4 or 5.
Sorry for the winded rant guys, but this really gets to me. Let me say again, Thanks Mark and BBCE
for putting up with us!!
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You must be kidding, I hope. I can assure you that Mark does not get any kind of "kickback" to organize these rips. To even suggest that, is out of line. It is true that at one point we'd get a 10% CU group rip discount, but considering how quickly Steve now sells these boxes off his site and at full price, too, I can understand why that is no longer the case.
Frankly, at this point, I wouldn't blame Mark for saying forget the whole group rip itself~it's not worth the headaches, imo.. >>
I am just trying to see if someone can tell me what the allure of it is. I can buy all this product off the website for the same price. I don't know what or how you guys set these up, just trying to understand. Sorry to ruffle your feathers and be considered out of line Grote15. Group break away guys. >>
Personally, I would pay a buck or two more for a pack from a full box vs a random loose pack, but that is just my feeling about it.
Your post was a valid one until you started suggesting that Mark is taking "a kickback" for setting up the rip. I'm sure if you were in his shoes, after having agreed to spend the time and effort to coordinate a group break like this one, that you wouldn't appreciate the neagtive implication such a reference entails. Again, JMHO.. >>
Unless the full box came from a sealed case there is no way of knowing if the box was simply filled with random packs--really no different than buying a loose pack. >>
What you say is technically true, but again, I'd rather pay an extra dollar or dollar twenty-five per pack in the chance that the packs are from an original box and/or in box fresh condition.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>This is wild!! I understand all the new guys having questions on how this all works. Heck, I had 100
questions on my first group break as well. But I will tell you what I didnt do. I did not come on here
demanding discounts, demanding empty boxes, or demanding the break overall be done to what I
feel is fair. Guys, this isnt prison, nobody is forcing you into this. Here is a thought or 2 that have popped
into my mind while reading this mess.
#1. Discounts- While its always nice to get a bargain on something, you gotta wonder what it will cost you
in the long run. I will give you an example. In this rip, there is a box that I have been wanting for quite
some time. I would be more than willing to pay the price for the full box RIGHT NOW! Now, would it be
easier for them to sell me the box, 1 shipping, 1 payment, process is done. They get the same price for
the box that they are going to get during the group rip minus the headache of shipping 2 or 3 packs to 15-20
people. The way I see it, is we are getting a discount. the guys at BBCE are donating their time to sell
their stuff in the most labor intensive way possible BECAUSE they value us as costumers.
#2 Common Decency- Mark and BBCE have been working together for several years, putting up with
many guys boo-hooing to provide us this service. I am very thankful for that. If I were in EITHER ONE
of their places, I would tell this board to politly, pound rocks. Mark doesnt pocket a penny, and as I
mentioned, BBCE is donating free labor to sell stuff to dozens of people that they could sell to 4 or 5.
Sorry for the winded rant guys, but this really gets to me. Let me say again, Thanks Mark and BBCE
for putting up with us!! >>
Never demanded any of this. Simply asking questions. Did I say I should get the empty boxes? No I asked what happened to them. They are cool and let's say I had 20 packs of 84T FB I might want that empty box for display. Just didn't know. Thanks.
<< <i>Never demanded any of this. Simply asking questions. Did I say I should get the empty boxes? No I asked what happened to them. They are cool and let's say I had 20 packs of 84T FB I might want that empty box for display. Just didn't know. Thanks. >>
Ltl509, my post wasnt directed at you. If you took it that way, I apologize. It was more to the general feeling I was getting overall
from this thread.
And for what its worth, the empty box part was a flashback from a previous rip. A guy back then was crying in his pillow about
the same thing.
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<< <i>Never demanded any of this. Simply asking questions. Did I say I should get the empty boxes? No I asked what happened to them. They are cool and let's say I had 20 packs of 84T FB I might want that empty box for display. Just didn't know. Thanks. >>
Ltl509, my post wasnt directed at you. If you took it that way, I apologize. It was more to the general feeling I was getting overall
from this thread.
And for what its worth, the empty box part was a flashback from a previous rip. A guy back then was crying in his pillow about
the same thing.
Gotcha. I just traded a board member a 81 FB box for his lot of packs. I know there are many that build some of the more expense boxes pack by pack so those boxes definetely have collectability at some point. Mark messaged me about how those are distributed.
<< <i>That one huge break we did where the display boxes were raffled off was fun. I didn't win one, but just the chance to win one was fun. >>
I didn't win one either but ga5150 was kind enough to give his to me. Thank you! It would be great to do that again if possible.
<< <i>ChiefsFan, I hope I'm not being lumped in with these other "new guys." Yes, I've never done one, and I asked some questions. But my questions were "how much is shipping" and "who do I pay?" I'm not questioning Mark's motives, nor the process. >>
I wasnt trying to point anybody out in particular. Like I said, I myself had many questions my first go-around.
As a matter of fact, these questions I am curious about myself. Gotta see what I can get for the few pennies
I have left from Cleveland
Hats off to you, watermelon man.
The cases in the pic look fine. Will they be labeled, from a sealed case?
<< <i>Tim, when I said "pallet fresh" I was playing on the idea of cards being pack fresh and boxes being case fresh. I kind of doubt '86 fleer or donruss was actually delivered on a pallet, but from what I remember, 87 topps went to warehouses that way. So if there are any full pallets left, those cases would be pallet fresh. Card companies on ebay sometimes sell moldy water damaged cases. Those are not pallet fresh.
The cases in the pic look fine. Will they be labeled, from a sealed case? >>
What about cases propped up on plastic milk crates? Would those count?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.