New PCGS holograms peeling off
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The new holograms have some sort of slit in them in the corners and along the sides. When peeling price stickers off the back of the holders, I'm finding it's very easy to catch a nail in one of those slits and then partially tearing the hologram off. Is anyone else having this issue, or am I just being too clumsy?
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<< <i>The new holograms have some sort of slit in them in the corners and along the sides. When peeling price stickers off the back of the holders, I'm finding it's very easy to catch a nail in one of those slits and then partially tearing the hologram off. Is anyone else having this issue, or am I just being too clumsy? >>
The hologram is on the out side?
Your buying from some place where they put a price sticker right over the hologram? Sheesh! How sloppy is that.
<< <i>The hologram is on the out side?
Your buying from some place where they put a price sticker right over the hologram? Sheesh! How sloppy is that. >>
Yes, the hologram is on the outside. There's no place for us or other dealers to put our price stickers except over the hologram.
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would there be any concerns about long-term internal contamination since the top/bottom inside are possible open-connected or are they actually fully separated on the inside?
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I think you are implying that the stickers might be removed from a real slab and placed on a counterfeit slap if they can be removed intact.
While each has its own serial number, I am indeed wondering how easy it is to reuse holos from cracked slabs.
<< <i>Here's one I recently rec'd with label issues:
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This is scary stuff. If those Heritage labels hit the new PCGS holograms we could see a massive peel off problem!
Wait for more field reports.
If they are only peeling apart as designed, then it is just an education issue with sellers and auction houses.
Put the inventory labels wrapped over the top of the slab.
<< <i>I presume (sibling of assume) the slabs are stored as inventory in blue boxes?
Put the inventory labels wrapped over the top of the slab. >>
I would think it's quite likely that inventory is stored in cardboard slab boxes. If so, the slabs would be in contact with each other and the labels would get scuffed up and start to peel and stick to each other pretty quickly if the labels were wrapped over the top of the slabs.
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<< <i>I presume (sibling of assume) the slabs are stored as inventory in blue boxes?
Put the inventory labels wrapped over the top of the slab. >>
I would think it's quite likely that inventory is stored in cardboard slab boxes. If so, the slabs would be in contact with each other and the labels would get scuffed up and start to peel and stick to each other pretty quickly if the labels were wrapped over the top of the slabs. >>
yeah and presume makes a pres out of u and me!
mash em down tight? points for trying?
<< <i>mash em down tight? points for trying? >>
I think even so, the labels would get ratty and torn rather quickly. Packing to fly to shows and such, space is at a premium and I don't suppose most dealers have the luxury of using boxes with dividers between the slabs like the blue plastic PCGS boxes have.
edited to add... some people complain when stickers are too hard to remove.
Conclusion - Even in normal handling by numismatic experts, these holograms are doomed. I wonder what they will be like in a year, 5 years.
These outside holograms are a fail.
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I wonder if some of the covert anti-counterfeiting measures require the sticker on the outside of the slab, in order for them to work. I cannot imagine PCGS overlooked the obvious advantages of holograms within the holder. There must be valid reasons beyond "it's just easier this way". A lot of time and money were spent on these.
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<< <i>I wonder if some of the covert anti-counterfeiting measures require the sticker on the outside of the slab, in order for them to work. I cannot imagine PCGS overlooked the obvious advantages of holograms within the holder. There must be valid reasons beyond "it's just easier this way". A lot of time and money were spent on these.
Lance. >>
Having it on the inside, stuck to the tag, would make it easy to extract both a usable tag and usable hologram label from a single slab, reusing them together on a fake.
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<< <i>I'm sure the slab manufacturer already received a phone call about faulty adhesion before this thread aired. Placing the hologram inside might lead to chemical reaction if adhesive is used, unless they could redesign the slab with a interior pocket to freely hold the hologram? >>
Would not PCGS want the hologram to self destruct in any attempt to remove it? Otherwise it could be peeled and placed on a counterfeit slab. I believe it is working as designed.
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<< <i>Would not PCGS want the hologram to self destruct in any attempt to remove it? Otherwise it could be peeled and placed on a counterfeit slab. I believe it is working as designed. >>
I haven't read the announcement but are you saying the collaboration with DuPont was to deliberately design a hologram quite like peanut brittle?
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<< <i>Would not PCGS want the hologram to self destruct in any attempt to remove it? Otherwise it could be peeled and placed on a counterfeit slab. I believe it is working as designed. >>
I haven't read the announcement but are you saying the collaboration with DuPont was to deliberately design a hologram quite like peanut brittle? >>
This is not unusual. There are many decals produced this way. One example are parking labels. They are designed to be stuck on the outside of a car window and will break apart if you try to remove it to prevent it from being stolen and used on another vehicle.
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<< <i>So, if we assume that the holo stickers were designed to break apart if tampered with, what then? Will there be a new "re-hologram" service? I mean, the whole security "improvement" of the new holo sticker is lost if the sticker is just a remnant or completely gone - you're basically left with a slab that is probably less secure (or more easily counterfeited) than an old slab with the old holo embedded within. Something ain't right, or we aren't getting the whole story on the stickers... >>
Yep, pretty much defeats the purpose of the special hologram if it can be so easily compromised. Unless there are some unknown issues, it needs to be inside the slab.
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<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The upcoming "sticker resistant" slab technology will remedy this!
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<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram.