<< yet another "we are smart and PCGS is dumb" thread. You guys need to find a better, more fun, less stressful hobby. >>
(An "un-smart" statement)
PCGS has a definite advantage in that they get immediate and important feedback from customers who really care about their product. Many companies pay a lot of money to services to get just sort of info.
We love PCGS, that is why we tell them if we think they can do something better.
<< <i><< yet another "we are smart and PCGS is dumb" thread. You guys need to find a better, more fun, less stressful hobby. >>
(An "un-smart" statement)
PCGS has a definite advantage in that they get immediate and important feedback from customers who really care about their product. Many companies pay a lot of money to services to get just sort of info.
We love PCGS, that is why we tell them if we think they can do something better. >>
It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You would think adults would know that.
<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram. >>
Why not protect the slab in a 3x4 ziplock and apply the sticker to the bag?
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<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram. >>
Why not protect the slab in a 3x4 ziplock and apply the sticker to the bag? >>
Some of these tight holders that might be used for slabs or baseball cards appear to be made of a plastic that can impart scratches onto the slabs they are designed to protect. Ironic, isn't it?
<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram. >>
Why not protect the slab in a 3x4 ziplock and apply the sticker to the bag? >>
I imagine they want the tags on the slabs in case they get separated.
May be working as designed, but the results are fugly.
In my experience Tom, the plastic bags designed to hold PSA slabs and the like won't impart any scuffing onto a PCGS holder, or even if they did, relatively easy to polish out.
More than likely, dealers don't want to go to the time/expense/trouble of individually bagging inventory.
FWIW, the dealer sticker should/could go over the PCGS logo on the back of the holder, not the hologram. Don't know why so very many dealers insist on fudging up the hologram, but it might have something to do with the mustard on the shirt aesthetic. Some simply won't care, and there you have it.
Unless a dealer's sticker is a widebody, no reason it can't be placed alongside, not on top of the hologram. If it is a widebody, then the coin should be placed in a protective bag before stickering, but for the vast majority of dealers, they won't want to bother.
Result, a largish percentage of visually flubbed-up holders, that the relatively well-to-do portion of the collecting base won't mind at all sending in for further reholdering, if they care enough about aesthetics, which results in a tad more money (not a killing) in PCGS's pockets, so they're probably just fine with everything as-is.
<< <i>The hologram is on the out side? Your buying from some place where they put a price sticker right over the hologram? Sheesh! How sloppy is that. >>
Yes, the hologram is on the outside. There's no place for us or other dealers to put our price stickers except over the hologram. >>
How about next to it and why would you want it on the reverse? Certainly looks like there is room next to it here.
Every slab back to the rattler, first generation NGC, and small ANA cache, has accommodated a 1 3/4" x 3/4" label on the back (although PCGS narrowed their window by about 1/16" a few years ago, which I actually find somewhat irritating). To introduce a slab along with a recommendation to buy different sticker stock for labels and re-layout printed labels is a bit absurd. I assume that the lab R&D group is dealing with this problem now and an improvement will be upon us that does place demands on people who use the back of the slab as it was intended.
<< <i>Every slab back to the rattler, first generation NGC, and small ANA cache, has accommodated a 1 3/4" x 3/4" label on the back (although PCGS narrowed their window by about 1/16" a few years ago, which I actually find somewhat irritating). To introduce a slab along with a recommendation to buy different sticker stock for labels and re-layout printed labels is a bit absurd. I assume that the lab R&D group is dealing with this problem now and an improvement will be upon us that does place demands on people who use the back of the slab as it was intended. >>
???
so the hologram, if it works as intended, needs a redesign and not the inventory labels?
Who's to say that the space on the reverse was ever intended to be used for inventory labels? If it was intended to be used for inventory labels, why did they put holos there to begin with?
<< <i>perhaps some cheaper labels with less sticky glue.... >>
And then, when the labels with less sticky glue start coming off with regular handling, it'll be necessary to use tape to keep the labels on the slab, leading to problems with the tape ruining the holograms, and a call for less sticky tape...
<< <i>Result, a largish percentage of visually flubbed-up holders, that the relatively well-to-do portion of the collecting base won't mind at all sending in for further reholdering, if they care enough about aesthetics, which results in a tad more money (not a killing) in PCGS's pockets, so they're probably just fine with everything as-is. >>
Ah....that would explain why my CLCT stock went up again
<< <i>Every slab back to the rattler, first generation NGC, and small ANA cache, has accommodated a 1 3/4" x 3/4" label on the back (although PCGS narrowed their window by about 1/16" a few years ago, which I actually find somewhat irritating). To introduce a slab along with a recommendation to buy different sticker stock for labels and re-layout printed labels is a bit absurd. I assume that the lab R&D group is dealing with this problem now and an improvement will be upon us that does place demands on people who use the back of the slab as it was intended. >>
Do dealers really need a label THAT big? If they do, why not put the label on the slab vertically? As for trying to edumacate dealers, it'd be a waste of time as most simply don't care. Ever see how some just sling slabs around at a show like they're indestructable?
Another thing that PCGS could do if their slab maker can achieve it is to have a thin red [or other color] line along one side of the slab that is visible after sealing. If the slab has that red line, it better have the special hologram too.
You heard it here first - this generation slab with intact hologram will be the next big collectible PCGS generation.
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Has someone from PCGS responded to let us know if they are planning to fix this deficiency?
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<< <i>Has someone from PCGS responded to let us know if they are planning to fix this deficiency? >>
A simple review of the reply's to this thread would give you the answer....NO! >>
You can be sure that PCGS is monitoring this thread.
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I always protected slabs in PolyPro postcard sleeves for storage. Perfect fit, never a scuffed slab, never a need for re-holder, can handle any labels and replaced for pennies. I know, they can be separated from the slab with ensuing end-times confusion, but postcard and photo dealers seem not to have a problem.
I take very good care of my slabs, but slabs do get a lot of damage when they are in auctions. I wonder how the new holograms are standing up to the handling of auction lots.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Since I returned to collecting I noticed that dealer stickers on slabs have become very popular. I think it's annoying and dealers should stop doing it. All it does is crud up the slab and require something to get the stickiness off. For crying out loud everything needed is on the TPG's label complete with an individual serial number in case you have 50 of something.
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I just looked over all of my PCGS Bust series coins. Even the green label coins that I myself submitted, are very often scratched, and I am super careful when handling my slabs. The plastic back then must have been way below today's standards. I hate to lose the green labels, but I can't stand the scratches.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Funny - I just got back my first submission in a while, and it took me about 15 seconds to wonder about the hologram sticker...I then did a quick forum search and found this thread. I don't really think I would consider it to be a major problem...more like a curiosity that should probably be re-visited when convenient.
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<< yet another "we are smart and PCGS is dumb" thread. You guys need to find a better, more fun, less stressful hobby. >>
(An "un-smart" statement)
PCGS has a definite advantage in that they get immediate and important feedback from customers who really care about their product. Many companies pay a lot of money to services to get just sort of info.
We love PCGS, that is why we tell them if we think they can do something better.
<< <i><< yet another "we are smart and PCGS is dumb" thread. You guys need to find a better, more fun, less stressful hobby. >>
(An "un-smart" statement)
PCGS has a definite advantage in that they get immediate and important feedback from customers who really care about their product. Many companies pay a lot of money to services to get just sort of info.
We love PCGS, that is why we tell them if we think they can do something better. >>
It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You would think adults would know that.
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<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram. >>
Why not protect the slab in a 3x4 ziplock and apply the sticker to the bag?
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
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<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram. >>
Why not protect the slab in a 3x4 ziplock and apply the sticker to the bag? >>
Some of these tight holders that might be used for slabs or baseball cards appear to be made of a plastic that can impart scratches onto the slabs they are designed to protect. Ironic, isn't it?
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
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<< <i>Dealers need to be educated not to apply a sticker over them. >>
The problem is there's nowhere else to put the stickers. Either they go on the top of the slab on the back (over any holograms), or they go over the coin. Obviously, the latter is not an option. And price stickers are necessary, so the only solution is to improve the hologram. >>
Why not protect the slab in a 3x4 ziplock and apply the sticker to the bag? >>
I imagine they want the tags on the slabs in case they get separated.
In my experience Tom, the plastic bags designed to hold PSA slabs and the like won't impart any scuffing onto a PCGS holder, or even if they did, relatively easy to polish out.
More than likely, dealers don't want to go to the time/expense/trouble of individually bagging inventory.
FWIW, the dealer sticker should/could go over the PCGS logo on the back of the holder, not the hologram. Don't know why so very many dealers insist on fudging up the hologram, but it might have something to do with the mustard on the shirt aesthetic. Some simply won't care, and there you have it.
Unless a dealer's sticker is a widebody, no reason it can't be placed alongside, not on top of the hologram. If it is a widebody, then the coin should be placed in a protective bag before stickering, but for the vast majority of dealers, they won't want to bother.
Result, a largish percentage of visually flubbed-up holders, that the relatively well-to-do portion of the collecting base won't mind at all sending in for further reholdering, if they care enough about aesthetics, which results in a tad more money (not a killing) in PCGS's pockets, so they're probably just fine with everything as-is.
<< <i>smaller tags and smaller fonts? >>
Ideal, but most dealers won't want to/can't be bothered. Even if a small percentage do care, there will be many who will not.
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<< <i>The hologram is on the out side?
Your buying from some place where they put a price sticker right over the hologram? Sheesh! How sloppy is that. >>
Yes, the hologram is on the outside. There's no place for us or other dealers to put our price stickers except over the hologram. >>
How about next to it and why would you want it on the reverse? Certainly looks like there is room next to it here.
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<< <i>Every slab back to the rattler, first generation NGC, and small ANA cache, has accommodated a 1 3/4" x 3/4" label on the back (although PCGS narrowed their window by about 1/16" a few years ago, which I actually find somewhat irritating). To introduce a slab along with a recommendation to buy different sticker stock for labels and re-layout printed labels is a bit absurd. I assume that the lab R&D group is dealing with this problem now and an improvement will be upon us that does place demands on people who use the back of the slab as it was intended. >>
???
so the hologram, if it works as intended, needs a redesign and not the inventory labels?
Who's to say that the space on the reverse was ever intended to be used for inventory labels? If it was intended to be used for inventory labels, why did they put holos there to begin with?
<< <i>Who's to say that the space on the reverse was ever intended to be used for inventory labels? >>
Whatever the intention, where else could they practically be placed?
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<< <i>Who's to say that the space on the reverse was ever intended to be used for inventory labels? >>
Whatever the intention, where else could they practically be placed? >>
we're working on that
perhaps some cheaper labels with less sticky glue.... as long as they aren't toxic....
<< <i>perhaps some cheaper labels with less sticky glue.... >>
And then, when the labels with less sticky glue start coming off with regular handling, it'll be necessary to use tape to keep the labels on the slab, leading to problems with the tape ruining the holograms, and a call for less sticky tape...
<< <i>so the hologram, if it works as intended, needs a redesign and not the inventory labels? >>
Yes. It needs to stick to the slab better than labels stick to it.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
<< <i>Result, a largish percentage of visually flubbed-up holders, that the relatively well-to-do portion of the collecting base won't mind at all sending in for further reholdering, if they care enough about aesthetics, which results in a tad more money (not a killing) in PCGS's pockets, so they're probably just fine with everything as-is.
Ah....that would explain why my CLCT stock went up again
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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It was in my saved list of items at Heritage.
<< <i>Every slab back to the rattler, first generation NGC, and small ANA cache, has accommodated a 1 3/4" x 3/4" label on the back (although PCGS narrowed their window by about 1/16" a few years ago, which I actually find somewhat irritating). To introduce a slab along with a recommendation to buy different sticker stock for labels and re-layout printed labels is a bit absurd. I assume that the lab R&D group is dealing with this problem now and an improvement will be upon us that does place demands on people who use the back of the slab as it was intended. >>
Do dealers really need a label THAT big? If they do, why not put the label on the slab vertically? As for trying to edumacate dealers, it'd be a waste of time as most simply don't care. Ever see how some just sling slabs around at a show like they're indestructable?
Seems to me the halogram should be inside the plastices not on the outside.
<< <i>This is old news. Today, we're disturbed because some dealers price their coins differently than we think they should. >>
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<< <i>The solution is obvious - place the inventory label over the coin in order to save the hologram... >>
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<< <i>Has someone from PCGS responded to let us know if they are planning to fix this deficiency? >>
A simple review of the reply's to this thread would give you the answer....NO!
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<< <i>The solution is obvious - place the inventory label over the coin in order to save the hologram... >>
Not optimal. For auction houses needing lot viewing, it'd interfere.
easy peel labels
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<< <i>Has someone from PCGS responded to let us know if they are planning to fix this deficiency? >>
A simple review of the reply's to this thread would give you the answer....NO! >>
You can be sure that PCGS is monitoring this thread.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>Since I returned to collecting I noticed that dealer stickers on slabs have become very popular. >>
The fact it's popular with dealers might be a clue to something or other.
<< <i>You heard it here first - this generation slab with intact hologram will be the next big collectible PCGS generation.
Damn! Beat me to it.