As an AU-53, I'd say this coin is under graded. I'd go AU-58, and if it were not for the friction on Ms. Liberty's chin I'd go a Mint State grade. I can't tell about the luster from the photo, but the photo is very sharp.
PCGS graded this one as an AU-53.
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<< <i>Nice details but net graded for subdued lackluster surfaces. >>
Coins with subdued luster can be graded MS-60 or 61. If there is no cartwheel luster left on this piece, then it is an AU.
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Thanks for the comments! Nice 1807 Bill! The luster is subdued, but you can see where it remains. There is only the slightest of wear on the high points, but it seems that the wear may only have resulted in the removal of some of the oxidized surface. Yes I think this was net graded, but heck it helped me get it for less money...
I think I remember this 1808 from quite a while back. I believe Don Willis had it for sale and I almost bought it. Then, I think I seen it at auction at some point. Obviously it looks much better than an Au-53 as far as details are concerned. I always thought it was given that grade due to lack of luster. I like the coin quite a bit.
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The surfaces look like the result of what some have termed "leather pouch" toning. Do you think that is the case with this coin? I agree it has excellent details, but the subdued luster probably cost the higher grade.
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Not common to see the obverse clasp as well as the birds head and neck that strong on this design CBH. One or the other maybe, not usually both. That birds head/neck are a sight to see for sure. Nice coin.
Glad u all appreciate this piece. This came from Heritage several years ago, and I believe it may not appeal to all collectors because of the dark toning and subdued luster. But you guys seem to be proving me wrong. I love the coin for the detail which is so tough to find in these early halves.
1808 is my favorite year for bust halves, I have all the die marriages now and all but two of the states....as I've mentioned before, shoot me a PM when you are ready to part with this sweetie ! The condition of this coin is outstanding ! I agree that it shouldn't be AU58 without booming luster, but do 200+ year old coins need to look brand new ? It's cool when they do, but it's equally cool when they look just like this one
<< <i>Glad u all appreciate this piece. This came from Heritage several years ago, and I believe it may not appeal to all collectors because of the dark toning and subdued luster. But you guys seem to be proving me wrong. I love the coin for the detail which is so tough to find in these early halves. >>
Indeed. The detail is so strong I was tempted to ask if the coin had somehow been struck twice.
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PCGS graded this one as an AU-53.
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<< <i>Nice details but net graded for subdued lackluster surfaces. >>
Coins with subdued luster can be graded MS-60 or 61. If there is no cartwheel luster left on this piece, then it is an AU.
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Obviously it looks much better than an Au-53 as far as details are concerned. I always thought it was given that grade due to lack of luster. I like the coin quite a bit.
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And of course great coin.
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One or the other maybe, not usually both.
That birds head/neck are a sight to see for sure.
Nice coin.
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<< <i>Excellent pic.
And of course great coin.
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It's cool when they do, but it's equally cool when they look just like this one
Here's my 109a...Lance's excellent photo
<< <i>Glad u all appreciate this piece. This came from Heritage several years ago, and I believe it may not appeal to all collectors because of the dark toning and subdued luster. But you guys seem to be proving me wrong. I love the coin for the detail which is so tough to find in these early halves. >>
Indeed. The detail is so strong I was tempted to ask if the coin had somehow been struck twice.