Poll: If you grade like they do across the street are you a good grader?

If you have a very high rate of success at getting your coins to grade out at NGC but you are batting below the Mendoza line with your crack outs, raw submissions and cross overs at PCGS are you a good grader? Your failures at PCGS are not bagged, they just come back a point or two below your assigned grade or come back DNC.
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Each TPG has its own standard.
+1 before the poof.
<< <i>No way do I believe NGC graded coins routinely cross to PCGS at same grade. Similar graded coins at NGC do not command the same auction prices as PCGS coins at the same grade. >>
I have had decent luck getting NGC coins into PCGS holders at the same or better grades, moreso after crackout out than actual crossover. Kinda pissed me a bit on a couple of recent ones that came back a grade lower, esp. the ones that had that green thingy on em. HTF can a coin be solid for the grade for 3 different grades?
Maybe, if I were to gauge myself to variable ill-defined market standards. What would that mean anyway.
Just because you are grading like everyone else...
Eric
I learned to grade across the street in 1987-1990 when standards between the two services were much closer. There's no problem switching between the two standards. Most of the problem seems to come in on
toned coins with muted luster or coins with minor problems and/or showing signs of possible light cleaning. But if I had to do it all over again I'd concentrate on PCGS as the primary standard and work from there. I did
it backwards.
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I believe many people complaining of NGC coins not crossing to PCGS probably had low end coins to begin with. This is based on experience with seeing how certain clients coins crossed. Some of these people were short on grading skills to begin with and I believe they went for the bargains, hence ending up with low end material. If you made a buying mistake to begin with, of course it probably won't cross at the same grade.
I need to look at the coin itself (under a glass with 100 watt light) to determine if I believe its properly graded or where it falls in the grade range.
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<< <i>The most impressive comparison I've ever seen in an advanced collection was when the Dick Osburn halves were stickered prior to auction. Out of approx 150 pieces with a 55/45% NGC/PCGS split, the overall group stickered at 19%. The kicker was that PCGS stickered at 13X the rate that NGC did. Incredible. >>
Exactly what I was saying, and the auctions show much the same.
<< <i>It depends upon the specific coin, and I strongly dislike the premise of this poll. It deserves to be poofed really soon.
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<< <i>It depends upon the specific coin, and I strongly dislike the premise of this poll. It deserves to be poofed really soon.
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<< <i>It depends upon the specific coin >>
Sorry Bill but that makes no sense at all. And now look, you've started a stampeed of lemmings.
CG
<< <i>My experience with NGC graded coins is they tend to let a light old cleaning slide more than PCGS. Amost every AU has come back a notch lower. I have crosed a few and upgraded a few! >>
That is very much the opposite of what I have experienced.
I've always found NGC to be more eager to "problem" a coin, with the exception of questionable color.
This real data summarizes my experience.
So if your coins aren't upgrading or at least crossing at the same grade level it's not a TPG issue but the buyers ability to spot the difference.
Knowledge is king in this hobby and hence I'm not voting on your poll as I feel this thread is in poor taste.
In general PCGS slabbed coins sell at a premium over NGC slabbed coins.
To answer the question originally asked. An accomplished grader will know the series and the TPG general biases. He/she can grade on both sides of the street as well as the freeway,
<< <i>One important point, most conservative is not synonymous with correctly graded. >>
Well said... and that's nearly as good as "well done". I , like Broadstruck , could not vote in the poll as I couldn't find a proper place to place a vote. Every coin stands on it's own merit and we all agree "to a point". It's typically not the "GRADE POINT" that upsets the apple cart, but the price paid , which usually makes the biggest difference.
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Eric
<< <i>The most impressive comparison I've ever seen in an advanced collection was when the Dick Osburn halves were stickered prior to auction. Out of approx 150 pieces with a 55/45% NGC/PCGS split, the overall group stickered at 19%. The kicker was that PCGS stickered at 13X the rate that NGC did. Incredible. >>
Doing the math, 2 NGC coins were stickered (2.5%) and 27 PCGS coins (40%).
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Now darkside and ancient coins are another matter, NGC is probably 1#.
excellent
<< <i>whats the point of this thread anyway? >>
I'm guessing it's to give the Kool-Aid drinkers an opportunity to disparage NGC.
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<< <i>It depends upon the specific coin >>
Sorry Bill but that makes no sense at all. And now look, you've started a stampeed of lemmings.
CG >>
That does not make any sense at all?
Please.
If you have looked at any quantity of coins at all through the years you have seen certified pieces from both of the major services that were over graded, under graded on the money. Generalizations like "All NGC coins are over graded;" "Coins with this color of label are under graded;" and "all coins housed in old holders are crack-out candidates," are a reflection if ignorance. Each coin has be evaluated on its own merits, and there are no hard and fast rules that will relieve the collector of the responsibility to learn how to grade for themselves if they going to successful in the hobby.