ANACS VS. ICG (Where do you think they rank?)

jmcu12 · June 26, 2013 1:26PM

What do you think of these two? We all know that PCGS and NGC are 1 and 2 respectively but between ANACS and ICG what would you consider them to be today?

Tied for 3rd perhaps?

CoinMan1012 · June 26, 2013 1:28PM

<< What do you think of these two? We all know that PCGS and NGC are 1 and 2 respectively but between ANACS and ICG what would you consider them to be today?

Tied for 3rd perhaps? >>

ANACS. Just because of their history, IMO.

gyocomgd · June 26, 2013 1:32PM

Guessing folks will go with ANACS, by a fairly wide margin.

LanceNewmanOCC · June 26, 2013 1:35PM

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1. pcgs
2. anacs

i won't say any more lest i get a boot to my

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DennisH · June 26, 2013 1:35PM

ANACS by a wide margin.

LindeDad · June 26, 2013 2:00PM

I would rather just use a Safeflip than spend money on either of those opinions.

Edit to add that this is now as at one time it was musical chairs between those two company's. And both had there day in the sun but it's lights out at both now.

TPRC · June 26, 2013 2:03PM

<< .
1. pcgs
2. anacs

i won't say any more lest i get a boot to my

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hockeyfan9 · June 26, 2013 2:04PM

<< .
1. pcgs
2. anacs

i won't say any more lest i get a boot to my

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I think Lance has it pegged.

3keepSECRETif2rDEAD · June 26, 2013 2:07PM

I also prefer ANACS over NGC (PCGS 1st) but that's cause I like to keep me coins on the West Coast

Erik

crypto79 · June 26, 2013 2:22PM

As of today IGC is third in terms of respect and they are basicly classic anacs anyway after the switch. Modern anacs is barely relavent

USAROK · June 26, 2013 2:27PM

<< 

<< .
1. pcgs
2. anacs

i won't say any more lest i get a boot to my

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I think Lance has it pegged. >>

GrumpyEd · June 26, 2013 3:21PM

ANACs still has a niche, they are still the best for varieties that others won't attribute.

robkool · June 26, 2013 4:25PM

ANACS ALL THE WAY !!!

daOnlyBG · June 26, 2013 6:08PM

ANACS and then ICG.. but by a narrow margin

coinguy1989 · June 26, 2013 6:20PM

<< As of today IGC is third in terms of respect and they are basicly classic anacs anyway after the switch. Modern anacs is barely relavent >>

This.

shish · June 26, 2013 7:17PM

"As of today IGC is third in terms of respect and they are basicly classic anacs anyway after the switch. Modern anacs is barely relavent."

koynekwest · June 26, 2013 7:23PM

PCGS; ANACS; ICG.

barberkeys · June 26, 2013 8:44PM

When ICG first started, IMO, they were the most accurate and consistent of all the services. Unfortunately those days are long gone, as are most of the coins in early ICG slabs.

PerryHall · June 26, 2013 8:49PM

<< PCGS; ANACS; ICG. >>

Why didn't NGC didn't make your list? I know there's a lot of Koolaid drinking here but is NGC really that bad?

s4ny · June 26, 2013 9:02PM

PCGS.NGC.....................................ICG..ANACS...................PCI.......SEGS

ricko · June 26, 2013 9:42PM

I agree with s4ny....

<< PCGS.NGC.....................................ICG..ANACS...................PCI.......SEGS >>

Cheers, RickO

mr1931S · June 26, 2013 10:01PM

mr1874...(PCGS-NGC)................................................the others(ANACS,ICG,etc.)

ajaan · June 26, 2013 10:24PM

Isn't ANACS the old ICG?

messydesk · June 26, 2013 10:59PM

No good can come of this thread.

noow · June 26, 2013 11:05PM

<< .
1. pcgs
2. anacs

i won't say any more lest i get a boot to my

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BillJones · June 26, 2013 11:23PM

From the historical perspective ANACS is higher than ICG, but over the past few years since ANACS was sold, ICG is ahead of ANACS.

OPA · June 26, 2013 11:31PM

<< Isn't ANACS the old ICG? >>

correct. As such I would say anything graded within the last 3-4 years from ANACS would rank above recently graded ICG slabs. Older than 4 years, I would go with ICG

weresteve · June 26, 2013 11:42PM

<< Isn't ANACS the old ICG? >>

Basically ... they played musical chairs a few years back ... Link

Haven't used ANACS in many years and haven't been impressed by what I have seen since the change.

Walkerguy21D · June 27, 2013 12:09AM

Not sure of the vintage of this slab, but I was more than happy to pay F12 Bid for the coin that was in it:

georgiacop50 · June 27, 2013 12:26AM

<< 

<< As of today IGC is third in terms of respect and they are basicly classic anacs anyway after the switch. Modern anacs is barely relavent >>

This. >>

Yep.

georgiacop50 · June 27, 2013 12:29AM

<< When ICG first started, IMO, they were the most accurate and consistent of all the services. Unfortunately those days are long gone, as are most of the coins in early ICG slabs. >>

AND, they would pay a $5 bounty for cracked out inserts back then.

I'm not entirely sure, but am guessing they no longer pay that much if anything.

lcoopie · June 27, 2013 12:30AM

I'm sure the graders at either know much more than I do

OPA · June 27, 2013 12:32AM

<< Not sure of the vintage of this slab, but I was more than happy to pay F12 Bid for the coin that was in it:

>>

I believe that this is one of their fairly recent slabs issued circa 2008 or 2009, but it did have a problem in staying in tact after being dropped.

koynekwest · June 27, 2013 1:20AM

<< 

<< PCGS; ANACS; ICG. >>

Why didn't NGC didn't make your list? I know there's a lot of Koolaid drinking here but is NGC really that bad? >>

I my experience and in my opinion-yes.

TwoSides2aCoin · June 27, 2013 3:02AM

I don't have a dog in this fight, nor ANACS to grind

Shamika · June 27, 2013 3:06AM

<< I don't have a dog in this fight, nor ANACS to grind

>>

That was pretty smart.

mozin · June 27, 2013 3:25AM

I think ANACS has a place for collector coins that are relatively inexpensive. ICG holders are not often seen, and my experience with ICG has not been good. When ICG started, I thought they were on a par with PCGS. What I see now is that ICG coins sell for about the same as raw coins.

Past Heritage auctions show ANACS 214K coins sold, with ICG only 33K sold. PCGS sold coins number 664K. I wish I could find the average selling price for coins from each of the grading services, for Heritage sold coins.

crypto79 · June 27, 2013 4:04AM

<< 

<< I don't have a dog in this fight, nor ANACS to grind

>>

That was pretty smart.

>>

Clever quip of the day for sure, made me laugh.

It should be noted I have never not had an ICG coin cross to PCGS at grade. I can't say that about NGC, classic anacs or even PCGS for that matter counting crack outs. It might just be that I only consider special ICG coins after much scrutinizing but I am a fan if the price is right equal to NGC actually although I will pay slightly more for NGC

Walkerguy21D · June 27, 2013 4:11AM

<< ICG holders are not often seen, and my experience with ICG has not been good. >>

I just had a very good experience with ICG....bought an 1842 large cent with the holder labeled AU Details - Corroded.
I paid $85 for it, cracked it out, the 'corrosion' came off with some Blue Ribbon, and I now have a nice AU58 N2 (tougher small date)
for my date and variety set, at a fraction of the normal going rate - thanks ICG

johnny9434 · June 27, 2013 6:16AM

<< .
1. pcgs
2. anacs

i won't say any more lest i get a boot to my

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agreed, some things are better left unsaid at times

mdwoods · June 27, 2013 6:25AM

<< From the historical perspective ANACS is higher than ICG, but over the past few years since ANACS was sold, ICG is ahead of ANACS. >>

Some of the earlier ANACS coins were graded pretty tough. I had a nearly whole set of brown Wheaties that I had cracked out of PCGS, NGC, and ANACS slabs at one time and put in an album. I took them all to a Michigan State coin show where ANACS had a table and grader. I submitted all of them. I don't think any upgraded from the previously slabbed grades and many downgraded a point, some 2 points. They graded brown Lincolns as tough as anyone.

cmerlo1 · June 27, 2013 7:14AM

1. PCGS 2.ANACS.

NotSure · June 27, 2013 8:33AM

<< No good can come of this thread. >>

I strongly agree with this.................................yet I'll still, stupidly, add fuel to a fire that could get out of control, though I don't wish to be responsible for this getting out of control...but my past EXPERIENCE, if I was pressed for an answer, I have to admit, I've had more success with ANACS coins crossing, in both the old (small white) AND new (both blue [unbelievably, as those blue labels were, well.......seeing you can open them with your bare hands VERY easily, as has been mentioned, doesn't help] and the newer yellow) slabs, than coins from ATS. But when it comes to ICG (my batting % is a solid goose egg on mid 20th century crossovers, even with one grade lower minimum grade request, so I stopped trying altogether), well, I feel their horse's gate didn't open, all due to their grading seemingly almost every modern, especially proofs, with a 70. Though they were/are(?) still pretty decent with circulated 19th and early 20th century coins, IMO (and I'm FAR from the first to say that on these forums).

<< 

<< 

<< PCGS; ANACS; ICG. >>

Why didn't NGC didn't make your list? I know there's a lot of Koolaid drinking here but is NGC really that bad? >>

I my experience and in my opinion-yes. >>

I obviously agree with this, also....

coinkat · June 27, 2013 9:01AM

look at the coin and then look at the plastic. It does not matter who ranks where- it is what is in the plastic that matters. Not all MS63 coins are created equal-

Lets not loose sight of the coin. Even if the question is answered, how does it provide any helpful guidance whatsoever if the biggest measure of what should be important to collectors is not considered?.

Can we just stop with the request for quantitative answers to subjective questions?

coin22lover · June 27, 2013 9:15AM

Personally, I think ICG tends to get lower rankings just because they are so scarce. I would rank them PCGS, ICG, ANACS, the lastly NGC. I am not an NGC fan...in my series at least.

coinguy1989 · June 27, 2013 9:57AM

<< I'll still, stupidly, add fuel to a fire that could get out of control, though I don't wish to be responsible for this getting out of control...but my past EXPERIENCE, if I was pressed for an answer, I have to admit, I've had more success with ANACS coins crossing, in both the old (small white) AND new (both blue [unbelievably, as those blue labels were, well.......seeing you can open them with your bare hands VERY easily, as has been mentioned, doesn't help] and the newer yellow) slabs, than coins from ATS. >>

Correct me if I am wrong, but it was my understanding that the blue holders (the newer ones) were used exclusively for reholdered old ANACS coins to indicate that they are not covered by the new ANACS's guarantee which applies to the yellow/gold holders only.

coinguy1989 · June 27, 2013 10:08AM

<< PCGS.NGC.....................................ICG..ANACS...................PCI.......SEGS >>

I agree, but will add that ICG had periods where it was closer to ANACS and then some where it was much farther than the diagram shows. Holistically and historically, this is accurate overall.

Treashunt · June 27, 2013 8:13PM

<< PCGS.NGC.....................................ICG..ANACS...................PCI.......SEGS >>

agreed

darktone · June 27, 2013 10:25PM

How cam you rate them after they have changed their grading standards so often? I remember sending ANACS about a dozen $5 libs around 1991 and a few years later they all bumped up a point or two at PCGS. Lots of $'s when you are talking MS coins.

weresteve · June 28, 2013 12:06AM

<< How cam you rate them after they have changed their grading standards so often? >>

Grading standards are a function of the time frame when coins are submitted and they tend to vary over time no matter the grading company. The pressures of the market also tend to influence this drift in grading standards to some extent. I seem to remember seeing a few threads here registering complaints about some classic coins going from XF/AU something to MS something over time as the coin in question worked its way back and forth between NGC and PCGS. Even while overlooking old cleanings and other minor issues.

As for the current state of the grading services ... I still use PCGS the most, but for the odds and ends that I collect as a sideline I will continue to use ICG. I have been burned one too many times by NGC, and I just don't trust ANACS.

NotSure · June 28, 2013 2:52AM

<< 

<< I'll still, stupidly, add fuel to a fire that could get out of control, though I don't wish to be responsible for this getting out of control...but my past EXPERIENCE, if I was pressed for an answer, I have to admit, I've had more success with ANACS coins crossing, in both the old (small white) AND new (both blue [unbelievably, as those blue labels were, well.......seeing you can open them with your bare hands VERY easily, as has been mentioned, doesn't help] and the newer yellow) slabs, than coins from ATS. >>

Correct me if I am wrong, but it was my understanding that the blue holders (the newer ones) were used exclusively for reholdered old ANACS coins to indicate that they are not covered by the new ANACS's guarantee which applies to the yellow/gold holders only. >>

Coinguy1989, if you ARE correct, this is something I did NOT know. Thank you for correcting me, and giving me something to keep in the back of my mind, something to chew on, before I consider bidding on one next time. I can't recall (obviously) if there were any threads/posts pertaining to this exact info, when the big ANACS/ICG 'flip' happened, but thank you for that interesting info, Coinguy1989. It is, IMO, definitely something that needs to be considered when considering a blue label ANACS graded coin. As I said, I have had the blue ones cross, but not at the success rate of yellows. I've had more than a few blues get DNC'ed, that I thought would cross with no problem (or even get the one point lower request, just to get it in the right plastic), yet some which I thought had little chance, actually crossed.

Excellent tidbit to keep in mind when I see a blue label. Though, I'd never consider using them, unless I had a 'special' coin that would require a TPG with SOME credibility, to grade it, when I know that our hosts or ATS would gennie it, as they (ANACS) are 'a little more liberal', let's say, when it comes to coins like that. I know from experience, as I, personally, have only used them twice, an AU53 1802/1 $1 (this graded AU53 with 'old' ANACS, before the 'flip' as it was in a small white holder, though it bagged at both here and ATS for an old cleaning), and once with a pair of D. Carr Denver Mint commemoratives that got 69's and a D. Carr autograph. I have never submitted to ICG, not once.

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