Is the NSA concerned with your bullion purchases?
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We all know the Edward Snowden NSA story. While our trusted NSA data mines through millions or billions of e-mails are they tracking those buying bullion? Every purchase I make is followed by a confirmation e-mail of the order, then another confirming the check has cleared and the item has shipped. Are we nearing the intersection of 1984 and 1776?
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Don't fool yourself, Big Brother's always watching.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
EDIT: << One of the reasons the green stuff and a good local B&M can be your friend.>>
You got that right!
Then they waste the money on themselves and non-critical and non-national causes.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Here is an interesting browser plugin that pops up an icon in the corner of the browser and shows you how many different things try to track you on every web page. Its not just the NSA thats diddling us everytime we go on the internet.
Ghostery
(You say) "I don't have any PM!"
(Government) Hands you copies of every bill, every e-mail and every website you have ever ordered from, plus copies of your tax returns.
(Government) "You sure about that?"
(You say) (Frowny faced) "Let me get my shovel."
In God We Trust.... all others pay in Gold and Silver!
Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.
And, one fine day they will change all of the rules retroactively to make us all criminals unless we comply with something really odious. Based on how they now pass 1,000 page laws in secrecy with no oversight or review, no public disclosures - the trend is obvious. The question isn't whether or not it's happening, but "what's next?"
I knew it would happen.
could, its almost as if they are discouraging private ownership of bullion and assets
they can't get at, it's costing them billions in what they can't steal if it were in a regular
bank account or retirement or investment product.
Who knows, perhaps they will confiscate bullion in the future, of course on "our behalf and
the good for us" because there so much bogus stuff out there
Steve
“If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.”
-Cardinal Richelieu, Armand Jean du Plessis
<< <i>And, one fine day they will change all of the rules retroactively to make us all criminals unless we comply with something really odious. Based on how they now pass 1,000 page laws in secrecy with no oversight or review, no public disclosures - the trend is obvious. The question isn't whether or not it's happening, but "what's next?" >>
No, Sam Adams took care of that. The old revolutionary - better known to King George III than many others - had one direct influence on U.S. government: the provision forbidding ex post facto laws in the U.S. Constitution was made at his insistence.
(Just think of city streets clogged with a hundred thousand horses each generating 15 lbs of manure every day...)
<< <i>"You are correct. I bought all that bullion in the last year. However, I sold it all on Craigslist last week, at a loss." >>
"Then give us that money. We're here to confiscate your assets whatever form it's in. That's what it's like now"
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Incrementally, your wealth will be targeted as the DC operation needs to try to balance the books.
Count on it. It has already started. They seek to tax ALL wealth.
If you have nothing to hide, why worry. It's for your own good. It's for national security. It's for the children.
Would you like to buy a bridge?
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<< <i>"You are correct. I bought all that bullion in the last year. However, I sold it all on Craigslist last week, at a loss." >>
"Then give us that money. We're here to confiscate your assets whatever form it's in. That's what it's like now" >>
"Sorry, but I visited the Gold Club just this past weekend....you're a few days late. Boy, you should've been with me."
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
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<< <i>"You are correct. I bought all that bullion in the last year. However, I sold it all on Craigslist last week, at a loss." >>
"Then give us that money. We're here to confiscate your assets whatever form it's in. That's what it's like now" >>
"Sorry, but I visited the Gold Club just this past weekend....you're a few days late. Boy, you should've been with me." >>
Yeah, everyone has a plan.
As that great philosopher of our time Mike Tyson once ominously noted, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."
Depends on what someone is afraid that they're going to accuse them of
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Then something is truly amiss. I could probably come up with several examples, but FDR's gold confiscation order comes immediately to mind.
The really odious aspect of this is that congress will exempt themselves, the executive branch and thousands of their friends - like they did with obamacare.
I knew it would happen.
Are your bullion purchased connected to illegal money laundering or tax evasion schemes, or some other crime such as embezzlement or other theft, or funding of terrorism or other conspiracy? If not, the the NSA or any other government agency is almost certainly not concerned with them. The mint sells bullion to citizens both directly and indirectly. Big brother is watching to look for patterns of behavior correlated with crime or national security, not for collectors of pretty coins and bars.
Even Google and Yahoo scans your mail and tracks your websites to see what ads to give you, the Fed does the same thing for national security.
I thought it was funny that the "leakers" friends said he covers his head and laptop with a cover when logging in so the hidden cameras won't get his password. (not paranoid?)
Then the same guy is saying "he can see anything anyone does anyplace" from his desk, so why would they need a hidden camera to get his password when they can already see anything he does.
Call me too trusting but I think bullion purchases are not their concern unless it was connected to national security.
<< <i>Is the NSA concerned with your bullion purchases? >>
Only if your purchases are part of a money laundering scheme, or using your PM purchases to fund "terrorist organizations."
I'm sure they don't care if you are a doomsday prepper building a bomb shelter, stocking up with ammo and food.
<< <i>I don't think they care about gold or taxes or anything other than national security.
Even Google and Yahoo scans your mail and tracks your websites to see what ads to give you, the Fed does the same thing for national security.
I thought it was funny that the "leakers" friends said he covers his head and laptop with a cover when logging in so the hidden cameras won't get his password. (not paranoid?)
Then the same guy is saying "he can see anything anyone does anyplace" from his desk, so why would they need a hidden camera to get his password when they can already see anything he does.
Call me too trusting but I think bullion purchases are not their concern unless it was connected to national security. >>
But how do they decide if/when your bullion purchases may be a threat to national security?
The only organizations I belong to is a local coin club but I do have a bit of ammo. What I fear is the future and those who say, "I have nothing to hide". If people are comfortable with their data being combed over, will this lead to bigger and bigger Gov't? Even more disturbing is Senator Lindsey Graham, saying that Gov't should be bigger and a monitored world is necessary to stop terror. Is this guy a big Gov't junkie or what?
Money laundering is a crime invented by the tax man . I have trouble working up any moral outrage over it.
The government has a habit of selective enforcement with it , when TBTF banks funnel billions of drug money through their balance sheets its not an issue so selling bullion should be fine I'd assume .
Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
" Surveillance Can be Used to Frame You If Someone In Government Happens to Take a Dislike to You … Last Chance to Stop “Turnkey Tyranny”
Top NSA whistleblower William Binney – the former head of the National Security Agency’s global digital data gathering program – has repeatedly explained that just because you “haven’t done anything wrong” doesn’t mean you can’t be severely harmed by spying:
The problem is, if they think they’re not doing anything that’s wrong, they don’t get to define that. The central government does.
Binney explains that the government is storing everything, and creating a searchable database … to be used whenever it wants, for any purpose it wants (even just going after someone it doesn’t like).
And he notes that the government will go after anyone who is on its enemies list:
If you ever get on their enemies list, like Petraeus did, then you can be drawn into that surveillance."
He then held up his thumb and forefinger a quarter inch apart and said,
"We are this close to a totalitarian police state"
<< <i> when TBTF banks funnel billions of drug money through their balance sheets its not an issue >>
Did you obtain that info over the internet? List one US incorporated TBTF bank that was ever convicted of drug money laundering. Yes, small family owned banks and several large overseas banks that I'm aware of, have paid hefty fines and had their hands slapped. I believe, there are less than a handful of US banks considered TBTF.
If you ever get on their enemies list, like Petraeus did, then you can be drawn into that surveillance."
Once again, if someone is afraid of getting on the Government's (or anyone's) "Enemies List", they might want to ask themselves what it is they are doing to get the attention.
And if someone's activities are so interesting they they warrant [pun intended] "going after", they might also be sophisticated enough to take steps to protect their interests, or man enough to accept the consequences if they're "caught" doing whatever it is they're doing. Most of us boring citizens are beneath the big bad Government's notice, and they don't care one whit if we take a little or a lot of our money and buy gold and silver and stick it in a lock box and either sell it later or leave it to our heirs. They will want a tax on the profits, and if someone is trying to unlawfully avoid paying that tax, the gov't will probably "go after" them in proportion to the extent of the debt and penalties.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Like those poor b@st@rds that believe in a "balanced budget" get targeted by the IRS. Stories breaking daily about targeting by the DHS, EPA, ATF....ect..ect.. makes me sick.
In God We Trust.... all others pay in Gold and Silver!
Todays friends, tomorrows enemies. Ever wonder if we wished we hadn't got
mixed up with bin Laden in Afghanistan in the 80's.
Do you need exact quotes?
how has anyone "voiced their displeasure"? who are these "powers that be" that are harassing ordinary folks?
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Rationalization
The myth of a safe deposit box seizures order
Executive Order 6102 is an Executive Order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.
The order was rationalized on the grounds that hard times had caused "hoarding" of gold, stalling economic growth and making the depression worse. [1] The New York Times, on April 6, 1933 p. 16, wrote under the headline "Hoarding of Gold", "The Executive Order issued by the President yesterday amplifies and particularizes his earlier warnings against hoarding. On March 6, taking advantage of a wartime statute that had not been repealed, he issued Presidential Proclamation 2039 that forbade the hoarding 'of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency,' under penalty of $10,000 and/or up to five to ten years imprisonment."
<< <i>The US mint supplies precious metal to collectors to meet demand, at a somewhat reasonable markup to offset production, packaging, marketing, and administrative costs. >>
Aren't these programs mandated by law?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Makes me sick, too.
I knew it would happen.
Even the Germans are starting to raise an eyebrow regarding what is going on
in this country.
I remember when I brought my dad his mail in the hospital after his heart attack. He opened
the irs letter and read it aloud to me. "In order to protect our interest..." DAD, "what do they
mean 'OUR'....."?
<< <i>Maybe if the G finally does start to listen to the people it will learn something. >>
I know everyone is all spun up about the NSA thing but
I'd be more worred about the IRS.
IRS, NSA, CIA, DHS, it all seems to be one big bird of prey and growing.
<< Yes, if you think that the Constitution is important, or of you are returning military, or if you are now or have ever been a member of any "tea party" organization................................then you've already been classified as a potential terrorist.>>
Prior military, contributed to the RP campaign, own a few weapons buy bullion regularly and collect U.S. coinage. What is the definition of a threat? Or potential threat? Who comes up with the definition, a contractor? Dianne Goldman Feinstein? Lindsey Graham?
Natural forces of supply and demand are the best regulators on earth.
<< <i>Prior military, contributed to the RP campaign, own a few weapons buy bullion regularly and collect U.S. coinage. >>
So basically the majority of people on this board.
Janet Napolitano, who is officially part of the Administration.
I knew it would happen.