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BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Thoughts... Coin is darker than the images.
Reverse is rotated 120 degrees counter clockwise.

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Latin American Collection

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  • jmbjmb Posts: 595 ✭✭✭
    Blech !


    Just kidding. Looks great. image
  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    Very cool piece!

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's AU?
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats! image

    That's AU?

    Can't compare the strike of a territorial to a Morgan - they typically start out life looking mushy. image
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Congrats! image

    That's AU?

    Can't compare the strike of a territorial to a Morgan - they typically start out life looking mushy. image >>



    I'm with the Captain on this one as even though they come softly struck the rub is too much for an AU.
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  • daOnlyBGdaOnlyBG Posts: 1,060 ✭✭
    IMO, that's an XF obverse and an AU reverse. But, my opinion doesn't matter compared to PCGS & CAC image

    Either way, I like the piece!
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, you wouldn't like this condition census MS61 off coin facts I guess either?? image

    image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • BloodManBloodMan Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it. Cool coin!
  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭
    Great Moffat. Really a good looking coin!

    Congrats.
    Collecting since 1976.
  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, you wouldn't like this condition census MS61 off coin facts I guess either?? image
    >>



    I don't envy those who have to grade territorials.
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  • GeorgeKelloggGeorgeKellogg Posts: 1,251 ✭✭
    It's not easy to grade from a photograph, but here is an AU53 from CoinFacts, Boosibri's AU50, and an XF45 from CoinFacts, for comparison purposes.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,815 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's AU? >>



    Very nice and historic coin but I have to agree that AU is a very optimistic grade.

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  • SethChandlerSethChandler Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭✭
    The grade looks right in line with the scale of coins GK posted.
    Collecting since 1976.
  • chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭
    grade it anyway you like..that is a nice historical piece
  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That's AU? >>



    By today's standards, yes.

    When I was a kid attending the Syracuse Stamp & Coin Bourse in 1971, it would have been offered in a stapled 2x2 on which was scrawled "Gem BU" (like nearly every coin in the room).
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,815 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>grade it anyway you like..that is a nice historical piece >>



    Totally agree. It's a very attractive and historic coin and the technical grade is a secondary consideration.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks AU to me...
    image

    Latin American Collection

  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's a nice coin! i would not second guess pcgs and cac on this one. this coin can only be graded against it's peers...not by what you'd expect to see in other series.
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    image

    Coin's for sale/trade.


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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I like it!!!
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  • CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gorgeous coin, B!

    'dude
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,180 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>That's AU? >>



    Very nice and historic coin but I have to agree that AU is a very optimistic grade. >>

    image nice coin overall thou image
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps some forgiveness for wholesomeness.image Perhaps another contributing factor; increased demand as more specialists in this area have exercised their muscles.

    Territorials are screwed with as much as Southern gold.image

    Discount detail on this and others across broad areas of Pioneer Gold similarly struck before first asking .."How's the skin?"

    Dilettantes/type collectors beware. Find a knowledgeable dealer. Tremendously cost effective. One of them recently bought one of those stupid Quints. Quite a few others out there. Manhasset NY and Aurora CO dealers come to mind. Generic Google and checking with a few here will help a lot.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice example of a completely unwholesome territorial.
    Clark Gruber

    Latin American Collection

  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very late-breaking news on Moffat $5's. 25 years old image I checked in my attic after my memory was jogged. Then the pop data base.

    I flipped a raw 1849 $5 to Don Kagin on a first-shot double-up at 30K. There are two 64's and two 65's of that date. Your guess is a good as mine as to which it is. Mine was bright and satiny. Mushy centers as ever, color natural straw-lemon yellow. Fror another, someone might check a Pittman catalog. Perhaps he had an 1849 Moffat Dave Akers called AU? It later graded 65. Don't recall which service. It was crustilicious..

    There's only one 1850 in MS63, and one PCGS 65 finer. That 65 coin showed up in "Pretzel"'s case back in the late 80's about six months after mine. Its surfaces were fully frosty but of a less reflective texture. He was asking $50K.


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  • QuarternutQuarternut Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭
    Bob Riethe and Pretzel were a dynamite team back in the day.

    They sure knew their "stuff"...who was Pretzel anyway. He sure was named right!

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  • QuarternutQuarternut Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭
    The above post was from firstmint...
    (I'm trying to get things corrected)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really like the OP coin, gold is my favorite anyway.... and I agree with the AU50 grade.... Cheers, RickO
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Bob Riethe and Pretzel were a dynamite team back in the day.

    They sure knew their "stuff"...who was Pretzel anyway. He sure was named right! >>



    Pretzel was/is Greg Holloway, who shared a corporate identity with Bob Riethe at Main Line Coins outside Philly. Bob kept and still runs the Main Line corporate franchise.

    Holloway's #1 guy was Tim Carroll, who now runs NFC and is bigger than either of them in today's market. And probably so for decades.

    Interestingly, both Tim's son Ryan (monster talent) and Bob's son Michael have records as world-class graders. Both technically and as real world businessmen.

    Nature or nurture? As usual, both to some degree.

    NFC has also produced Matt Kleinstuber (very major league talent) and (sorry if I've got the name wrong) Keith Moon, who's graded at both services.

    Greg figures strongly in one of Kevin's fantasies. Bobby Hughes in another. Only relatable at shows.image
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