<< <i>Oh dear God. Not only is this a pop 13..... but the card looks TERRIBLE!!!! Hammer price doubled with less than one minute to go. You want "amazing"?????? Here you go!
My bid was 311...I was crushed Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling
<< <i>My bid was 311...I was crushed Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling >>
You'll get the next one, and the next one will look much nicer than that one.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
Those prices on the 1978 set break, are not necessarily even but many, and I mean MANY of these are blowing through the VCP! This is just a matter of different people needing these to upgrade their sets and if two peeps intersect the price shoots up. It is an exciting time to be a 1970s decade collector it seems
<< <i>Oh dear God. Not only is this a pop 13..... but the card looks TERRIBLE!!!! Hammer price doubled with less than one minute to go. You want "amazing"?????? Here you go!
My bid was 311...I was crushed Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling >>
I'd hate to be anyone trying to build a 77, 78, or 79 set right now. Just pack it up and try again in a few years. Prices are insane. No other word to describe it.
<< <i>Oh dear God. Not only is this a pop 13..... but the card looks TERRIBLE!!!! Hammer price doubled with less than one minute to go. You want "amazing"?????? Here you go!
My bid was 311...I was crushed Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling >>
I'd hate to be anyone trying to build a 77, 78, or 79 set right now. Just pack it up and try again in a few years. Prices are insane. No other word to describe it. >>
haha agreed McAdams, but try getting your 1970-75 up to 9...that has been a complete circus (ie losing a snipe on a 1976 Briggs 9 for 1300.00!)
I'm all for collecting whatever you want/like- but that particular auction is the best example I've ever seen of a collector buying the holder. I know the black dust is a typical problem with that card, but there's so much wrong with that copy it probably should have gotten a 9PD.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>Messed up there a little bit Does anybody else on this board feel that PWCC doctors the scans? They do seem to have alot high end examples. I was also amazed at the prices they were getting over and above the VCP and SMR prices. The PSA 7 62 Koufax that went for over $200. All the 62's went for big prices relative whats been average. 65 PSA 7 Rose for $161.50 Interesting time in sports card collect
I dont believe they doctor their scans. Even if such a thing were possible, I dont believe it would be worth possible reputation ramifications. I had a "gentleman" give me a negative feedback with that very same hyperbolic accusation last month, so I know it's crapola.
This is what I mean...3 different people bid over 100.00 - it is a pop 30something and in 2012 VCped for 23.00! If this does not show real strength rather than shady bidding there is nothing else that can convince the skeptic. I have been seeing this all over the place in the past year.
This is what I mean...3 different people bid over 100.00 - it is a pop 30something and in 2012 VCped for 23.00! If this does not show real strength rather than shady bidding there is nothing else that can convince the skeptic. I have been seeing this all over the place in the past year. >>
This set certainly has spiked in popularity over the last year or so. I'm building a raw/graded combo '78 set. I've picked up a few well-centered 9's in tonight's PWCC auctions, and I'll probably pick up a few more- but I can't hang with the big boys, that's for sure.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
I had a few mid to late 70's team sets I was working on in PSA 9/10. I think I'm going to give up and just send them to PWCC next week. No point fighting.
I have a bunch of lower pop (10 or fewer) PSA 10 78s I've pulled from packs, including a couple of pop 3s. With insane prices like these, I'm wondering if I should start selling them, LOL..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I have a bunch of lower pop (10 or fewer) PSA 10 78s I've pulled from packs, including a couple of pop 3s. With insane prices like these, I'm wondering if I should start selling them, LOL.. >>
Think of all the unopened material that is not for sale anymore you can buy with the funds
Im getting smoked on several huge safety snipes...I cant believe I lost the Herzog coach card for 124.50...grrr...grats to the winner
<< <i>I have a bunch of lower pop (10 or fewer) PSA 10 78s I've pulled from packs, including a couple of pop 3s. With insane prices like these, I'm wondering if I should start selling them, LOL.. >>
It is my opinion that the answer to your question is YES.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>I had a few mid to late 70's team sets I was working on in PSA 9/10. I think I'm going to give up and just send them to PWCC next week. No point fighting. >>
I gave up on the team cards early McAdams...I was getting "low bid" on my snipes all week. Sorry misread your post - if there are any low pop cards now would not be a bad time to sell...hopefully after this auction my 1978 set is made...I just need two more cards (might have to go back in and adjust the snipe though)
<< <i>I picked up the Chicago Cubs team card tonight. I have looking for that card for 8 months and this is the first 9 I have seen on ebay in that time. >>
Nice pick-up. I think you outbid me on that ...pop for that card in 2011 = 31, 2012 = 33, 2013 = 33...so not surprising that you haven't seen it, only 2 psa 9s graded in the last 3 plus years.
<< <i>I picked up the Chicago Cubs team card tonight. I have looking for that card for 8 months and this is the first 9 I have seen on ebay in that time. >>
Nice pick-up. I think you outbid me on that ...pop for that card in 2011 = 31, 2012 = 33, 2013 = 33...so not surprising that you haven't seen it, only 2 psa 9s graded in the last 3 plus years. >>
It was the final card I need for my Cubs team master set. Crazy that the pop only increased by 2 in 2 full years of grading. I would love to find a 10 someday.
The PSA 9 '78 Ryan hammered for $1,224. Last I checked (which was a while ago but not THAT long), that was a $200 card.
At least it's a great-looking example, unlike the Speier.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
tough low pop...Im actually thankful it only went for 202.00 whew...only ONE more card! - after 6 years. This set has been much more difficult to put together than I would have ever imagined
I was planning on throwing in a manual snipe on the Pirates team card in PSA 9 when it was at $11 or so with five minutes left. Then I got distracted by something else and forgot to do it before the auction ended.
Since my bid would have been about 1/3 of what it went for, I won't beat myself up about it.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
That PSA 9 Pirates team card sold by PWCC tonight went for $137.50. The last PSA 9 copy of that card that sold on EBay was 45 days ago........ for $24.00. The PSA 9 Royals team card went for $224.50. I have a PSA 9 copy of that card, which I bought a couple years ago. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but I know it wasn't more than twenty bucks.
Sometimes it's all about being in the right place at the right time.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>That PSA 9 Pirates team card sold by PWCC tonight went for $137.50. The last PSA 9 copy of that card that sold on EBay was 45 days ago........ for $24.00. The PSA 9 Royals team card went for $224.50. I have a PSA 9 copy of that card, which I bought a couple years ago. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but I know it wasn't more than twenty bucks.
Sometimes it's all about being in the right place at the right time. >>
That Pirates team card was the last card I needed for the set WS. I wont reveal what the snipe was on that card.
BBG don't blame me for those prices! - Someone else had to bid me up on them. Actually, I was the under-bidder on fewer of these cards than you might think. I basically went through the set and bid high on key cards I needed and then put in bids on all the lower pop 9s for my 2nd set...I won a lot at very nice prices, but on others - train wreck on the budget. The thing with 78s is you can always find a card here and there but almost never in a large break like this. Just like sufferjet's recent 1977 break, this auction has reset a lot of prices. I am sure pops will increase as people sitting on nice raw finally submit them because now it is worth the trouble.
As for that 300.00 pop 4, I think this was a card I only had an 8 of - Andujar right? I certainly didn't WANT to spend that much and I wasn't in the ball-park for most of the lower pop 10s in this auction.
BTW don't base too much on previous auctions. With several of these years, many of those previous low prices were BINs that were snatched up within hours of getting posted. This has happened to me on numerous occasions where someone (esp 4sc) will put up a card for auction with a low BIN (based on VCP) and by the time VCP alerts others it is LONG GONE snatched up like a bear with salmon! Sometimes it takes these types of auctions for the real demand to reveal itself...afterwards people will submit their stash and hopefully prices will drop a bit.
<< <i>Messed up there a little bit Does anybody else on this board feel that PWCC doctors the scans? They do seem to have alot high end examples. I was also amazed at the prices they were getting over and above the VCP and SMR prices. The PSA 7 62 Koufax that went for over $200. All the 62's went for big prices relative whats been average. 65 PSA 7 Rose for $161.50 Interesting time in sports card collecting? >>
<< <i>Well, for one, an SGC 7 is just never going to come close to a PSA 7....an SGC anything will never come close to a PSA anything. That's just the way it is >>
<< <i>That Pirates team card was the last card I needed for the set WS. I wont reveal what the snipe was on that card. >>
Congrats on finishing it! It's one of my favorites.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
I blocked him on ebay though because he sent me some very angry messages when I outbid him on 10s
Wow I can't imagine someone emailing another with anger because they were getting outbid on items on EBAY. Tell him too bad and to raise his bids if he wants to win the cards.
<< <i>As for that 300.00 pop 4, I think this was a card I only had an 8 of - Andujar right? I certainly didn't WANT to spend that much and I wasn't in the ball-park for most of the lower pop 10s in this auction.
BTW don't base too much on previous auctions. With several of these years, many of those previous low prices were BINs that were snatched up within hours of getting posted. This has happened to me on numerous occasions where someone (esp 4sc) will put up a card for auction with a low BIN (based on VCP) and by the time VCP alerts others it is LONG GONE snatched up like a bear with salmon! Sometimes it takes these types of auctions for the real demand to reveal itself...afterwards people will submit their stash and hopefully prices will drop a bit. >>
1978 Topps SETBREAK Roy Smalley #471 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC), you already have a 9 of this pop 4 card and won the 10 for $305! I've never seen a pop 4 common go for that much - very impressive. And you're right, someone else had to bid you up, that person was guyerr on ebay. He's building a 10s only '78 set and is currently at 40.77% and 28th on the Registry.
What I think is interesting is that you, him and others will bid up to such amounts for low pop 10s, such as 4, when there are similar low pop commons available for less. I'm speaking specifically of the 1978 TOPPS #614 JOE WALLIS PSA 10 CERT 17191952 POP 4 that I've had listed for a while as $249.99 OBO which I've now jacked up as a result of these past auctions (as I'm sure others will try as well). It's just how it goes with bidding, I realize that ... many times people will "bid to win" at higher prices than they'd otherwise hit the BIN on.
The crazy card of the night has to be the Speier though ... again, another one where a much better example (mine) was available not too long ago as a BIN OBO for half what it sold for last. But like WalterSobchak says, "Sometimes it's all about being in the right place at the right time. "
I'm also open to the consideration that certain buyers just don't like me so they don't want to give me their money ... especially since I'm competing with some of them for '78s 10s
It's all good, glad to see '78 doing so well, and even happier that I got so many of my 10s either from self subs or a while ago when prices were lower ... though before I started buying them prices were even lower than that so it's all relative.
What's for certain is these cards are very tough to come by ... and I think the frequency of them appearing will become less and less ... and it will really take a set break like this to hook others up ... otherwise the holes simply won't get filled. I wouldn't count too much on the raw that people have stashed away either ... people tend to think their cards are much nicer than they really are ... I've certainly been guilty of this many times.
I'm curious when Dirtrap (The Pristine Card collection) is gonna finally republish his '78 set as I'm quite sure he's amassed an impressive lot of Gem '78s. I blocked him on ebay though because he sent me some very angry messages when I outbid him on 10s ... and I know he needs the Wallis since Hatch, TGF and I already have one. So he'll have to get a proxy to buy it but I doubt that'll happen ... it's the whole "I'm not gonna give you money to bid me up with routine" hehe.
Incidently GuyerR on ebay is the one that picked up the 1978 Topps #369 Tim Nordbrook Toronto Blue Jays PSA 10 GEM MINT POP 1 ONLY (#140741060241) that Hatch needs for his set. I messaged guyerr about it asking if he's interested in selling and he said:
Not at this time as I am trying to get the whole set which requires a lot of patience. Nice to actually have a 1/1.
Let me know if you get any low pop cards in stock.
So there's a little gossip for anyone interested in this very popular issue.
Henry, perhaps we should have a '78 Rack case showdown where we both rip ours at the same time and try to bring those realized prices down to something more reasonable >>
Wow, this is interesting stuff. I've never heard about or read about the "behind the scenes" stuff that goes on with some of these registry guys. You're all pretty hard core...I guess I can see why it's competitive, but sending angry E-mails to the other winning bidder is pretty pathetic...
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<< <i>As a general rule we try to stay out of the message boards because we feel they should be dominated by buyers/collections who are allowed to communicate freely, without intervention from sellers, dealers, auction houses, etc.
In rare cases we do feel a need to respond, most often when claims are made that simply warrant a response. To not respond may somehow suggest we condone slanderous comments, which of course we do not. >>
Based on this quoted excerpt from Brent, I believe that you will not be seeing a public reply to the follow-up inquiry that was made. However, if you contact him directly I am sure you will get your question answered.
<< <i>Are you sure that prewarcardcollector and pwcc_auction are one and the same? The user pwcc_auction might be Paul's Wacky Card Collecting auction. >>
Here are some of the feedbacks received by pwcc_auction.
And these are the feedbacks received by pwcc_auction that were previously mentioned in this thread.
Note that the user ID "pwcc_auction" is a recent change. The feedbacks posted above were left for "slobetz".
<< <i>Looks like someone is trying to use Brent's reputation for their own benefit by changing their user name to pwcc_auction. >>
Agreed. Please have some perspective. They certainly wouldn't use their own name to bid on their own auctions if that was want they wanted to do. It is great that you guys are actually investigating these things but to be honest a company like PWCC does not become successful by playing these games. They gain the confidence of the big-players by being honest and customer-service oriented. There are plenty of shady characters on ebay that could use a spotlight. PWCC is not one of them IMO. This is why I bid freely with Brent and why I exclusively buy my unopened material from BBCE or other trusted sources. I don't ever want another experience of buying a resealed waxbox.
<< <i>MintMoondog, I just heard the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale. You interested? >>
Right - because they are just dumb enough to not only create a shill account, but to do so using a similar name. Put down the cardboard and call up a lady - maybe you will lighten up.
Looking for rare Randy Moss rookies and autos, as well as '97 PMG Red Football cards for my set.
<< <i>If you need proof of the legitimacy of some of the higher dollar auctions for the latest '78 PSA 10s just look for my ebay feedback rating of 1202 vs Henry's of 5697 (at the time of this posting) ... I took it on the chin a few times, and so did he.
So there's some proof of legit auctions ... if only we decided who would get which cards in advance .. could have saved us some $$$!!!! >>
Paul, better hold onto something. Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists.
<< <i>MintMoondog, I just heard the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale. You interested? >>
Right - because they are just dumb enough to not only create a shill account, but to do so using a similar name. Put down the cardboard and call up a lady - maybe you will lighten up. >>
<< <i>It's not illegal in the context described. >>
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
<< <i>Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists. >>
That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
Is this serious? It is illegal for me to call up a buddy and tell him I plan on bidding on auction(x) ? Im not trying to be a smartazz, I just cant believe thats an actual law.
<< <i>Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists. >>
That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
Is this serious? It is illegal for me to call up a buddy and tell him I plan on bidding on auction(x) ? Im not trying to be a smartazz, I just cant believe thats an actual law. >>
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Comments
<< <i>Oh dear God. Not only is this a pop 13..... but the card looks TERRIBLE!!!! Hammer price doubled with less than one minute to go. You want "amazing"?????? Here you go!
">WHAT THE HELL???!?!?! >>
My bid was 311...I was crushed
Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling
<< <i>My bid was 311...I was crushed
Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling >>
You'll get the next one, and the next one will look much nicer than that one.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>
<< <i>Oh dear God. Not only is this a pop 13..... but the card looks TERRIBLE!!!! Hammer price doubled with less than one minute to go. You want "amazing"?????? Here you go!
">WHAT THE HELL???!?!?! >>
My bid was 311...I was crushed
Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling >>
I'd hate to be anyone trying to build a 77, 78, or 79 set right now. Just pack it up and try again in a few years. Prices are insane. No other word to describe it.
Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Oh dear God. Not only is this a pop 13..... but the card looks TERRIBLE!!!! Hammer price doubled with less than one minute to go. You want "amazing"?????? Here you go!
">WHAT THE HELL???!?!?! >>
My bid was 311...I was crushed
Pop hasn't moved in many years on that one, if anything it is a bargain at that price the way low pop commons from the 70s have been sellling >>
I'd hate to be anyone trying to build a 77, 78, or 79 set right now. Just pack it up and try again in a few years. Prices are insane. No other word to describe it. >>
haha agreed McAdams, but try getting your 1970-75 up to 9...that has been a complete circus (ie losing a snipe on a 1976 Briggs 9 for 1300.00!)
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>Messed up there a little bit
Does anybody else on this board feel that PWCC doctors the scans? They do seem to have alot high end examples. I was also amazed at the prices they were getting over and above the VCP and SMR prices. The PSA 7 62 Koufax that went for over $200. All the 62's went for big prices relative whats been average. 65 PSA 7 Rose for $161.50 Interesting time in sports card collect
I dont believe they doctor their scans. Even if such a thing were possible, I dont believe it would be worth possible reputation ramifications. I had a "gentleman" give me a negative feedback with that very same hyperbolic accusation last month, so I know it's crapola.
This is what I mean...3 different people bid over 100.00 - it is a pop 30something and in 2012 VCped for 23.00!
If this does not show real strength rather than shady bidding there is nothing else that can convince the skeptic. I have been seeing this all over the place in the past year.
<< <i>DodgersTeam
This is what I mean...3 different people bid over 100.00 - it is a pop 30something and in 2012 VCped for 23.00!
If this does not show real strength rather than shady bidding there is nothing else that can convince the skeptic. I have been seeing this all over the place in the past year. >>
This set certainly has spiked in popularity over the last year or so.
I'm building a raw/graded combo '78 set. I've picked up a few well-centered 9's in tonight's PWCC auctions, and I'll probably pick up a few more- but I can't hang with the big boys, that's for sure.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
Always buying Bobby Cox inserts. PM me.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I have a bunch of lower pop (10 or fewer) PSA 10 78s I've pulled from packs, including a couple of pop 3s. With insane prices like these, I'm wondering if I should start selling them, LOL.. >>
Think of all the unopened material that is not for sale anymore you can buy with the funds
Im getting smoked on several huge safety snipes...I cant believe I lost the Herzog coach card for 124.50...grrr...grats to the winner
<< <i>I have a bunch of lower pop (10 or fewer) PSA 10 78s I've pulled from packs, including a couple of pop 3s. With insane prices like these, I'm wondering if I should start selling them, LOL.. >>
It is my opinion that the answer to your question is YES.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>I had a few mid to late 70's team sets I was working on in PSA 9/10. I think I'm going to give up and just send them to PWCC next week. No point fighting. >>
I gave up on the team cards early McAdams...I was getting "low bid" on my snipes all week.
Sorry misread your post - if there are any low pop cards now would not be a bad time to sell...hopefully after this auction my 1978 set is made...I just need two more cards (might have to go back in and adjust the snipe though)
<< <i>I picked up the Chicago Cubs team card tonight. I have looking for that card for 8 months and this is the first 9 I have seen on ebay in that time. >>
Nice pick-up. I think you outbid me on that
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<< <i>I picked up the Chicago Cubs team card tonight. I have looking for that card for 8 months and this is the first 9 I have seen on ebay in that time. >>
Nice pick-up. I think you outbid me on that
It was the final card I need for my Cubs team master set. Crazy that the pop only increased by 2 in 2 full years of grading. I would love to find a 10 someday.
At least it's a great-looking example, unlike the Speier.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>This is small potatoes, but my double-VCP snipe was outbid by two people on this 78 Oscar Gamble: Link >>
Vern
tough low pop...Im actually thankful it only went for 202.00 whew...only ONE more card! - after 6 years. This set has been much more difficult to put together than I would have ever imagined
<< <i>This is small potatoes, but my double-VCP snipe was outbid by two people on this 78 Oscar Gamble: Link >>
That is a pop 46 that was a 6.00 card last year - yah that is surprisingly high
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Since my bid would have been about 1/3 of what it went for, I won't beat myself up about it.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
The PSA 9 Royals team card went for $224.50. I have a PSA 9 copy of that card, which I bought a couple years ago. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but I know it wasn't more than twenty bucks.
Sometimes it's all about being in the right place at the right time.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>That PSA 9 Pirates team card sold by PWCC tonight went for $137.50. The last PSA 9 copy of that card that sold on EBay was 45 days ago........ for $24.00.
The PSA 9 Royals team card went for $224.50. I have a PSA 9 copy of that card, which I bought a couple years ago. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but I know it wasn't more than twenty bucks.
Sometimes it's all about being in the right place at the right time. >>
That Pirates team card was the last card I needed for the set WS. I wont reveal what the snipe was on that card.
BBG don't blame me for those prices! - Someone else had to bid me up on them. Actually, I was the under-bidder on fewer of these cards than you might think. I basically went through the set and bid high on key cards I needed and then put in bids on all the lower pop 9s for my 2nd set...I won a lot at very nice prices, but on others - train wreck on the budget. The thing with 78s is you can always find a card here and there but almost never in a large break like this. Just like sufferjet's recent 1977 break, this auction has reset a lot of prices. I am sure pops will increase as people sitting on nice raw finally submit them because now it is worth the trouble.
BTW don't base too much on previous auctions. With several of these years, many of those previous low prices were BINs that were snatched up within hours of getting posted. This has happened to me on numerous occasions where someone (esp 4sc) will put up a card for auction with a low BIN (based on VCP) and by the time VCP alerts others it is LONG GONE snatched up like a bear with salmon! Sometimes it takes these types of auctions for the real demand to reveal itself...afterwards people will submit their stash and hopefully prices will drop a bit.
<< <i>Messed up there a little bit
Does anybody else on this board feel that PWCC doctors the scans? They do seem to have alot high end examples. I was also amazed at the prices they were getting over and above the VCP and SMR prices. The PSA 7 62 Koufax that went for over $200. All the 62's went for big prices relative whats been average. 65 PSA 7 Rose for $161.50 Interesting time in sports card collecting? >>
The scans are definately enhanced using photoshop
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<< <i>Well, for one, an SGC 7 is just never going to come close to a PSA 7....an SGC anything will never come close to a PSA anything. That's just the way it is
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Pass the kool aid please!
aconte >>
Make that a double shot of kool-aid
<< <i>That Pirates team card was the last card I needed for the set WS. I wont reveal what the snipe was on that card.
Congrats on finishing it! It's one of my favorites.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
Wow I can't imagine someone emailing another with anger because they were getting outbid on items on EBAY. Tell him too bad and to raise his bids if he wants to win the cards.
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<< <i>As for that 300.00 pop 4, I think this was a card I only had an 8 of - Andujar right? I certainly didn't WANT to spend that much and I wasn't in the ball-park for most of the lower pop 10s in this auction.
BTW don't base too much on previous auctions. With several of these years, many of those previous low prices were BINs that were snatched up within hours of getting posted. This has happened to me on numerous occasions where someone (esp 4sc) will put up a card for auction with a low BIN (based on VCP) and by the time VCP alerts others it is LONG GONE snatched up like a bear with salmon! Sometimes it takes these types of auctions for the real demand to reveal itself...afterwards people will submit their stash and hopefully prices will drop a bit. >>
1978 Topps SETBREAK Roy Smalley #471 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC), you already have a 9 of this pop 4 card and won the 10 for $305! I've never seen a pop 4 common go for that much - very impressive. And you're right, someone else had to bid you up, that person was guyerr on ebay. He's building a 10s only '78 set and is currently at 40.77% and 28th on the Registry.
What I think is interesting is that you, him and others will bid up to such amounts for low pop 10s, such as 4, when there are similar low pop commons available for less. I'm speaking specifically of the 1978 TOPPS #614 JOE WALLIS PSA 10 CERT 17191952 POP 4 that I've had listed for a while as $249.99 OBO which I've now jacked up as a result of these past auctions (as I'm sure others will try as well). It's just how it goes with bidding, I realize that ... many times people will "bid to win" at higher prices than they'd otherwise hit the BIN on.
The crazy card of the night has to be the Speier though ... again, another one where a much better example (mine) was available not too long ago as a BIN OBO for half what it sold for last. But like WalterSobchak says, "Sometimes it's all about being in the right place at the right time. "
I'm also open to the consideration that certain buyers just don't like me so they don't want to give me their money ... especially since I'm competing with some of them for '78s 10s
It's all good, glad to see '78 doing so well, and even happier that I got so many of my 10s either from self subs or a while ago when prices were lower ... though before I started buying them prices were even lower than that so it's all relative.
What's for certain is these cards are very tough to come by ... and I think the frequency of them appearing will become less and less ... and it will really take a set break like this to hook others up ... otherwise the holes simply won't get filled. I wouldn't count too much on the raw that people have stashed away either ... people tend to think their cards are much nicer than they really are ... I've certainly been guilty of this many times.
I'm curious when Dirtrap (The Pristine Card collection) is gonna finally republish his '78 set as I'm quite sure he's amassed an impressive lot of Gem '78s. I blocked him on ebay though because he sent me some very angry messages when I outbid him on 10s ... and I know he needs the Wallis since Hatch, TGF and I already have one. So he'll have to get a proxy to buy it but I doubt that'll happen ... it's the whole "I'm not gonna give you money to bid me up with routine" hehe.
Incidently GuyerR on ebay is the one that picked up the 1978 Topps #369 Tim Nordbrook Toronto Blue Jays PSA 10 GEM MINT POP 1 ONLY (#140741060241) that Hatch needs for his set. I messaged guyerr about it asking if he's interested in selling and he said:
Not at this time as I am trying to get the whole set which requires a lot of patience.
Nice to actually have a 1/1.
Let me know if you get any low pop cards in stock.
So there's a little gossip for anyone interested in this very popular issue.
Henry, perhaps we should have a '78 Rack case showdown where we both rip ours at the same time and try to bring those realized prices down to something more reasonable
Wow, this is interesting stuff. I've never heard about or read about the "behind the scenes" stuff that goes on with some of these registry guys. You're all pretty hard core...I guess I can see why it's competitive, but sending angry E-mails to the other winning bidder is pretty pathetic...
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>Per your request, please address the following link. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer&userid=pwcc_auction&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&interval=0&mPg=5&page=5 Specifically, the feedback for:
item #2719320539 from May-12-03 23:40
item #2719318685 from May-12-03 23:40
item #1982488741 from Jan-05-03 21:47 >>
Was this addressed?
<< <i>Per your request, please address the following link. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer&userid=pwcc_auction&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&interval=0&mPg=5&page=5 Specifically, the feedback for:
item #2719320539 from May-12-03 23:40
item #2719318685 from May-12-03 23:40
item #1982488741 from Jan-05-03 21:47 >>
Was this addressed?
<< <i>
<< <i>Per your request, please address the following link. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer&userid=pwcc_auction&iid=-1&de=off&items=200&interval=0&mPg=5&page=5 Specifically, the feedback for:
item #2719320539 from May-12-03 23:40
item #2719318685 from May-12-03 23:40
item #1982488741 from Jan-05-03 21:47 >>
Was this addressed? >>
That'd make too much sense. And, apparently this topic is about big dollars not sense or cents.
<< <i>As a general rule we try to stay out of the message boards because we feel they should be dominated by buyers/collections who are allowed to communicate freely, without intervention from sellers, dealers, auction houses, etc.
In rare cases we do feel a need to respond, most often when claims are made that simply warrant a response. To not respond may somehow suggest we condone slanderous comments, which of course we do not.
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Based on this quoted excerpt from Brent, I believe that you will not be seeing a public reply to the follow-up inquiry that was made. However, if you
contact him directly I am sure you will get your question answered.
Cheers
Dave
<< <i>Are you sure that prewarcardcollector and pwcc_auction are one and the same? The user pwcc_auction might be Paul's Wacky Card Collecting auction. >>
Here are some of the feedbacks received by pwcc_auction.
And these are the feedbacks received by pwcc_auction that were previously mentioned in this thread.
Note that the user ID "pwcc_auction" is a recent change. The feedbacks posted above were left for "slobetz".
to pwcc_auction.
Dave
<< <i>Looks like someone is trying to use Brent's reputation for their own benefit by changing their user name
to pwcc_auction. >>
Agreed.
Please have some perspective. They certainly wouldn't use their own name to bid on their own auctions if that was want they wanted to do. It is great that you guys are actually investigating these things but to be honest a company like PWCC does not become successful by playing these games. They gain the confidence of the big-players by being honest and customer-service oriented. There are plenty of shady characters on ebay that could use a spotlight. PWCC is not one of them IMO. This is why I bid freely with Brent and why I exclusively buy my unopened material from BBCE or other trusted sources. I don't ever want another experience of buying a resealed waxbox.
<< <i>MintMoondog, I just heard the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale. You interested? >>
Right - because they are just dumb enough to not only create a shill account, but to do so using a similar name. Put down the cardboard and call up a lady - maybe you will lighten up.
<< <i>If you need proof of the legitimacy of some of the higher dollar auctions for the latest '78 PSA 10s just look for my ebay feedback rating of 1202 vs Henry's of 5697 (at the time of this posting) ... I took it on the chin a few times, and so did he.
So there's some proof of legit auctions ... if only we decided who would get which cards in advance .. could have saved us some $$$!!!!
Paul, better hold onto something. Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists.
Dave
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<< <i>MintMoondog, I just heard the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale. You interested? >>
Right - because they are just dumb enough to not only create a shill account, but to do so using a similar name. Put down the cardboard and call up a lady - maybe you will lighten up. >>
Brady bunch!
<< <i>Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists. >>
That is collusion and it is illegal.
<< <i> That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
It's not illegal in the context described.
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<< <i>Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists. >>
That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
Only if we had an anti-trust exemption.
Dave
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<< <i> That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
It's not illegal in the context described. >>
#1) It is against every AH's rules & regulations, and if it is done at a live auction, I know it is illegal.
#2) Two wrongs don't make a right! For a honest seller, you are cheating him just as a dishonest seller would cheat by shilling.
#3) Is it policeable? NO, not really just as shill bidding is so tough to police.
<< <i>It's not illegal in the context described. >>
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>
<< <i>Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists. >>
That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
Is this serious? It is illegal for me to call up a buddy and tell him I plan on bidding on auction(x) ?
Im not trying to be a smartazz, I just cant believe thats an actual law.
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<< <i>
<< <i>Some of us actually DO decide on who gets which cards in advance so that we don't bid each other up needlessly.
Consider it our way of fighting back against shilling and any AH impropriety that some believe exists. >>
That is collusion and it is illegal. >>
Is this serious? It is illegal for me to call up a buddy and tell him I plan on bidding on auction(x) ?
Im not trying to be a smartazz, I just cant believe thats an actual law. >>
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