1944 Walker PCGS MS-66, CAC, awful strike, yikes!

ElmerFusterpuck · September 30, 2012 5:39AM

Not knocking the seller in any way, but this has to be one of the worst strikes I've ever seen for a 44-P Walker or for any 40's P mint; this one looks more like a 44-S!

1944 Mushy Walker

Walkerguy21D · September 30, 2012 5:46AM

Wow, and a starting bid of only $329!

ricko · September 30, 2012 5:48AM

I assume you still agree it is a 66...... or are you disputing the TPG and FPG??? Cheers, RickO

JustaRookie · September 30, 2012 5:57AM

I agree with the grade and can see why the OP thinks the CAC is a stretch for a 66 grade considering there are some details that appear to be missing based upon the photos. An awesome coin nonetheless!!!!

ElmerFusterpuck · September 30, 2012 8:39AM

RickO, based on luster and marks, it could be a 66 based on that. But that strike on a date that usually comes pretty sharp, I'd have a tough time giving it a 65 myself. If I was to get a 66 of this date, CAC or not, I'd keep looking. You should be able to find a great well-struck example for < $200.

To sum it up, I disagree with both assessments of that coin, but that's just me.

Here's one on TT that sold for way less recently (no CAC), and it has a far sharper strike to boot:

1944 50c MS-66

I don't think the CAC sticker adds 2x to the value.

LeeBone · September 30, 2012 9:16AM

Ewwww, that`s horrible.

MS66....

Walkerfan · September 30, 2012 10:07AM

Walkerfan · September 30, 2012 10:10AM

Not all 1944 P coins are struck well; some are on the soft side.

Though, I must say that this is one of the more deficient ones that I have seen.

mkman123 · September 30, 2012 3:45PM

buy the coin not the holder!!! Coin could look nice in hand though!

Wolf359 · September 30, 2012 4:03PM

Years ago, in my experience, the best a PCGS coin could grade with a weak strike MS64, assuming the luster was powerful and the coin was nearly mark free. I've seen one or two MS65's in almost 10 years and that's it.

This is the first PCGS 66 with a mushy strike that I've ever seen. Maybe it's the photo?

PerryHall · September 30, 2012 4:11PM

I always thought strike was a grading factor on mint state coins. that coins is so weakly struck that you can't even see the hand. I'd expect a lot more detail on a 66. I guess even CAC coins need to be closely examoned prior to purchase.

Jcarney · September 30, 2012 4:38PM

<< I guess even CAC coins need to be closely examoned prior to purchase. >>

The logical outgrowth of that is a company is needed to affix an "approval dot©" to the CAC sticker on the certification holder. This extra level of scrutiny is apparently sorely needed to give the customer the peace of mind they deserve and demand.

oreville · September 30, 2012 10:20PM

Even with my ipad, I could not get a good enough closeup to see the details as it was too out of focus.

I am sure that either the pictures are no good or the PCGS/CAC might have been too lenient. It does happen. Even David Hall has admitted as such that once in a while PCGS buys back their coins.

But I can't tell from my pics.

Timbuk3 · October 1, 2012 4:45AM

I like it !!!

bolivarshagnasty · October 1, 2012 10:43AM

Isn't that the ultra rare one armed variety???

Elcontador · October 1, 2012 11:15AM

I'd need to see a clearer pic to get a good look at the skirt lines to see whether or not I believe the coin S/B a 6. The main diff. between a 5 and 6, as I see it, is that 5s usually have light chatter in the skirt lines, while this is not the case for 6s.

BAJJERFAN · October 1, 2012 11:34AM

That seller is a member here and usually has a pretty good eye for quality. Hard to believe that 3 sets of better eyes are wrong.

crazyhounddog · October 2, 2012 1:59AM

If that's a 66 I wonder what this one will grade....Hmmmmm

Jcarney · October 2, 2012 2:59AM

<< That seller is a member here and usually has a pretty good eye for quality. Hard to believe that 3 sets of better eyes are wrong. >>

That's an understatement. I know Ira well and would be hard-pressed to think of someone with a better eye.

Jcarney · October 2, 2012 3:05AM

crazyhounddog, your photos are mind blowing! The reverse of that Walker is spectacular.

What kind of setup do you use?

telephoto1 · October 2, 2012 3:14AM

Let's say that I suffer a traumatic brain injury and agree that this piece is an honest 66...in what world does someone sticker a 44 with an abysmal strike like that as premium for the grade...? Or even spot on for the grade?
This coin out of the holder drops at least 4 points imo... and some people would even say it looks like a slider.
Sorry but no kool aid for me thanks. Someone got a huge gift here.

Edit to add: Now hound dog's pieces....those are a whole different ball game. Awesome, and strikes more akin to what's expected of this date/mint.

coinkat · October 2, 2012 8:24AM

I think we are getting too caught up in grading from images and that is difficult once we are getting in the 65 range-

PerryHall · October 2, 2012 9:14AM

<< I think we are getting too caught up in grading from images and that is difficult once we are getting in the 65 range- >>

The pics are good enough to show that this coin is very weakly struck which is what is being discussed here.

Cougar1978 · October 2, 2012 11:04AM

And CAC stickered that poorly struck coin! Is the guy giving the sticker to it blind or what? What a low end piece of trash and they want to use the CAC sticker to trade coins sight unseen. Hey buy sight seen and learn how to look at coins people!

I don't think that coin is worth any more than MS60 money if even that. But good luck in selling it. If the seller had anything to him, he would start it at $9.95 and let her rip (which would not be very far).

I love the sellers outrageous sales pitch the about the coin and how only 3% of Walkers have slabbed by CAC. He should be embarassed - perhaps he believes he is selling to blind people. I guess we should buy it now before someone else does to have something in the top 3% LOL. Hurry, hurry now and buy it before the market goes up! Don't be left out of being the end user on that one!

Cougar1978 · October 2, 2012 11:26AM

<< I think we are getting too caught up in grading from images and that is difficult once we are getting in the 65 range- >>

Please educate me - a coin so poorly sturck like that is at least an MS65?

ElmerFusterpuck · October 2, 2012 11:46AM

Crazyhounddog, now that is some 66! Great photographs of a great coin; that's what I call the definition of a 66 - good strike and nice luster. I'm betting that you probably paid less than the coin in the link too.

I know we can't pinpoint grades on photos, but we can pick up weak strikes and other defects on a decent photo. If Crazyhounddog's coin was the one up for sale, this thread wouldn't exist. Maybe it would exist in "my latest new purchase " thread!

tradedollarnut · October 2, 2012 11:56AM

<< 

<< I think we are getting too caught up in grading from images and that is difficult once we are getting in the 65 range- >>

Please educate me - a coin so poorly sturck like that is at least an MS65? >>

Ok - I will educate you. There have been several threads here and across the street where a walker is posted, people trash the strike and then an independent in hand review says the strike is fine for the grade.

Forgive me, but I will trust PCGS and CAC over an image because I know that images lie.

1944 Walker PCGS MS-66, CAC, awful strike, yikes!

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