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CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
And perhaps if we know in advance, we can head off all the whining now image

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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    A show complaint I've heard repeatedly is the show is too long. Setup is on Monday and dealers with tables can't leave until Saturday evening at the earliest. A show with a Tuesday setup is plenty long enough.

    Hotel rooms are on average almost $100/ night more than Rosemont but in my opinion that's a fair price to pay for not having to spend time in Rosemont. Not Chicago, but Rosemont.
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No great coins available. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree on length and I think for some the union help to move in and move out will be an issue.
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lakesammman already getting depressed that nothing will be available at the show!
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  • PrethenPrethen Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭
    Summer Seminar is getting too expensive. I really miss when it was about half the price. It was much easier to justify going.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For this show, I get to stay at my brother's place and spend my free time playing with my niece. I'm going to complain that I only get to spend 5 days in Philly.
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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My biggest complaint is that I have to work and I won't be able to be there.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lakesammman already getting depressed that nothing will be available at the show!

    Hey, just trying to get into the spirit of the OP. image

    If I come home with a couple cool pieces of plastic and get to spend some time with Oreville, it will have been a great show.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,289 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Yellow Fever outbreak right before session 8 of the Stack's auction.
  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Summer Seminar is getting too expensive. I really miss when it was about half the price. It was much easier to justify going. >>



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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Summer Seminar is getting too expensive. I really miss when it was about half the price. It was much easier to justify going. >>



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    I think he is asking about the ANA convention in Philly.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That I can't be there.
  • halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Yellow Fever outbreak right before session 8 of the Stack's auction. >>



    This is the best reply.
  • halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭
    Usually the hideous food and the horrible din in the hall (but that's a personal thing that effects me a lot).

    For my wife, it's the concrete floors - they have no give.

  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭
    Too far for me to get to.
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  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The Yellow Fever outbreak right before session 8 of the Stack's auction. >>



    Hey watch what you say....I recall Legionaire's disease broke out initially in a hotel in 1973 or 74 a few blocks from where the show will be in Philly.
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  • no mainstream advertising

    A.N.A. website is NOT user friendly & NOT non-coin geek friendly.

    Not enough dealer "support" during show.

    1. t.v.'s throughout w/ spot prices
    2. Free FAST internet
    3. info booth in middle of show for customers looking for certain dealers, items, etc

    Stacks, HA, grading co. in the middle or in better locations so dealers get more traffic.

    free seminars for public ( abc's of coins, IRA & metals, world coins, etc )


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  • To clarify a few points:

    "no mainstream advertising" -- We will be running a brand-new commercial on two network TV stations, in addition to doing special online promotions with each. Radio ads will run on two major stations.

    "Stacks, HA, grading co. in the middle or in better locations so dealers get more traffic." -- The auction companies and grading services are allowed to pick their own booth locations, just like everyone else. The grading companies typically request booths against the wall.

    "free seminars for public" -- Here are links with details to:
    27 Money Talks http://www.worldsfairofmoney.com/activities,-special-events-classes/learn-from-top-experts-during-money-talks.aspx
    4 Sundman Lectures http://www.worldsfairofmoney.com/activities,-special-events-classes/sundman-lecture-series-looks-at-influence-power-of-images.aspx
    6 sessions of Coin Collecting 101 at the World Mint Stage http://www.worldsfairofmoney.com/world-mint-promenade.aspx
    People can also sign up for a free, 2-hour Coin Collecting Basics class from 12-2 pm Saturday.

    "Free FAST internet" -- This would be fantastic. However, based on the fees the convention center charges for Internet, it is not feasible. Most dealers get around this by bringing their own air cards, which ensures you internet access at any show you travel to.

    "info booth in middle of show for customers looking for certain dealers, items, etc" -- We provide information to customers at the ANA Area, admissions, the message center, and other locations. We also have a dealer list on the ANA Shows app, in the program, and on the website. (And we're hoping to expand the scope of listings with specific specialties in the next year.) I will suggest a set help desk in the planning for next year's WFM. Thanks for the suggestion.

    As for the yellow fever, please everyone, please make sure your inoculations are up to date. ;-)
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the reply Ryanne.

    "Free FAST internet" -- This would be fantastic. However, based on the fees the convention center charges for Internet, it is not feasible. Most dealers get around this by bringing their own air cards, which ensures you internet access at any show you travel to.

    How about the ANA buying a mobile hotspot for this and future shows.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,182 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That I can't be there. >>

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  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They should have the show during the "Louie, Louie" Parade. That way, if you can't find any coins, you can leave the facility and enjoy the parade.
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  • I'll suggest it.
  • FYI-- that last one owas in reference to the mobile hotspots, not the Louie Louie parade. Although ...
  • GregLGregL Posts: 470


    << <i>A show complaint I've heard repeatedly is the show is too long. Setup is on Monday and dealers with tables can't leave until Saturday evening at the earliest. A show with a Tuesday setup is plenty long enough. >>



    Actually dealer setup is Monday and Tuesday morning. So, if someone believes they can set up in two hours on Tuesday, there is no requirement to be there Monday.

    Greg
    Greg Lyon, ANA Board of Governors 2011-2017 -- The views represented here are my own personal opinions and do not represent those of the American Numismatic Association.
  • GregLGregL Posts: 470


    << <i>Summer Seminar is getting too expensive. I really miss when it was about half the price. It was much easier to justify going. >>



    Unfortunately, Summer Seminar lost a significant amount of money before rates when up. Another example of how the ANA was previously run as a large coin club and not a multi-million dollar small business. I believe it's an okay thing if ANA loses a small amount of money on Seminar, but it's not something that can be subsidized by a six-figure a year amount.

    Additionally, costs of running SS have continued to rise as well -- airfares to bring instructors out, room costs at Colorado College, etc.

    Greg
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The way their employees shake down dealers for contributions to the organization in order to consign spots on the floor at their big summer show. I overheard a conversation with a dealer a few years ago that almost made me puke. imageimage

    "You get so many points for contributing this, and since you didn't give that you will be in the back of the room."

    PLEASE!!!

    Having taken tables at the FUN show for several years, I have to say FUN treats the dealers much better. About 10 years ago a major snowstorm shut down airports all along the East coast. FUN picked up the tab to run the security room for four extra days free to the dealers. You won't catch the ANA doing that.

    I know I'm in the minority, but I don't care for the ANA show at all.
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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The way their employees shake down dealers for contributions to the organization in order to consign spots on the floor at their big summer show. I overheard a conversation with a dealer a few years ago that almost made me puke. imageimage >>



    Years ago when I set up at the summer ANA as my own company I inquired about upgrading to a better floor location. In response the ANA folks said they could accommodate that for a small donation...a "small" donation for only $20,000!

    And that was for a standard inline booth, not a Heritage sized horseshoe.

    I don't mind paying more for a premium location but when the requested amount is enough to buy a new mid size car it doesn't bode well for the organization's reputation.
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  • GregLGregL Posts: 470


    << <i>Having taken tables at the FUN show for several years, I have to say FUN treats the dealers much better. About 10 years ago a major snowstorm shut down airports all along the East coast. FUN picked up the tab to run the security room for four extra days free to the dealers. You won't catch the ANA doing that. >>



    For the ANA, conventions provide over 60% of our annual revenue and allow us to have 35 full-time staff members, a headquarters building, a library and a museum. Overall, we run very close to a balanced budget with the programs currently in place. The cost of running a security room for four extra days would mean that same amount of money would have to be cut from somewhere else.

    Regional coin clubs, like FUN and CSNS, do not have any of that overhead. The profit from their conventions is just about free money to them, as their only other major expense is the cost of producing their magazines. This also allows them to be very lavish with their exhibit awards -- with I believe, a half ounce, quarter ounce and tenth ounce gold eagle per category.

    A number of people keep asking that the ANA offer the same. Unfortunately, with 27 exhibit categories at the summer convention, that would cost over $36,000 a year -- not counting Best of Show or any of the other exhibit awards. I would love to be able to do that... as would the rest of the Board. But, once again, that would require equivalent cuts elsewhere.

    Greg



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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The pre-show will take much of the excitement out of the opening of the main event.
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  • GregLGregL Posts: 470


    << <i>Years ago when I set up at the summer ANA as my own company I inquired about upgrading to a better floor location. In response the ANA folks said they could accommodate that for a small donation...a "small" donation for only $20,000!

    And that was for a standard inline booth, not a Heritage sized horseshoe.

    I don't mind paying more for a premium location but when the requested amount is enough to buy a new mid size car it doesn't bode well for the organization's reputation. >>



    I believe issues like this have been somewhat alleviated by the introduction of price tiers for dealer booths in the last few years. By offering different price levels, a dealer can choose which area of the floor they wish to be in. Obviously, first choice of booths in an area is still done based on stars awarded for the dealers work with the ANA -- including exhibit judging, writing articles for the Numismatist, promoting the ANA, instructing a course at a convention or summer seminar, advertising in the Numismatist and, yes, cash donations.

    I don't know when you had the experience you did -- or who said that to you -- but if something like that happened today, I'd hope you would bring it to my attention -- or that of another board member.

    Greg
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  • BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭
    Mine is also that I won't get to be there....and that nobody will take any pictures of the judged displays. I've been asking for pictures of them since I joined the hobby in 2008, and to date I've seen a grand total of one picture taken from a distance.
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