You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Yes. I'm also a sucker for $75 Early Birds which has NEVER bore fruit. I would be better off just lighting my wallet on fire..........while in my pants. MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Would you pay $20 to get info a Coin Fair? >>
There are plenty of people involved in coin collecting who wouldn't pay $20 for a $100 bill because they're convinced the seller would be making too much on the deal.
<< <i>Would you pay $20 to get info a Coin Fair? >>
For 20$ I would want more than just info
Jokes aside I want to say no but in reality I pay at least that much in parking at every Balitmore show so I guess I would if the right coins were there. A room full of 2x2 pedlers maybe not >>
Most coins were in 2x2's before they got into holders. Although I do understand what you're referring to. The top 20 will be dealing coins in holders.
The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat. I can see paying an entrance fee for a large show just because of the cost of putting on the event.
Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so.
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat.
So, that must mean that people using this same logic don't go to things like:
state fairs (you pay admission to get to pay more money once inside),
amusement/theme parks (ditto)
movie theaters (you pay to get in, then they just want to profit off those blasted concessions),
most museums and zoos (they sell souvenirs you know),
car shows ( side note- the Bloomington Gold Corvette show in St Charles charges $20 admission- a bit less if you get a multi-day pass- and that's essentially for the privilege of someone selling you more items for profit (car auctions, car sales, parts, accessories, souvenirs, concessions)... and not only is it absolutely packed the whole weekend, it attracts people from other countries.),
...or concerts (they just want to sell you their latest CDs, t-shirts and merch once you've paid to get in).
You also evidently aren't members of any wholesale clubs like Sam's, etc. where you pay a membership fee for the privilege of buying things cheaper in bulk...
I could keep going but hopefully my point's been made.
I can see paying an entrance fee for a large show just because of the cost of putting on the event.
Confusing. Evidently the organizer's time/effort have value if the show is large- but they have no value when it's a small show?
Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so.
Invalid analogy. People are coming to pay you for your tax knowledge, not to buy the things laying around on your desk. Coin buyers are there to peruse and buy the tangible items laying on the dealers' tables.
In word, no. If you can't see it in person, I'm not going to pay big bucks for it. I've learned that lesson the hard way.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
<< <i>The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat.
So, that must mean that people using this same logic don't go to things like:
state fairs (you pay admission to get to pay more money once inside),
amusement/theme parks (ditto)
movie theaters (you pay to get in, then they just want to profit off those blasted concessions),
most museums and zoos (they sell souvenirs you know),
car shows ( side note- the Bloomington Gold Corvette show in St Charles charges $20 admission- a bit less if you get a multi-day pass- and that's essentially for the privilege of someone selling you more items for profit (car auctions, car sales, parts, accessories, souvenirs, concessions)... and not only is it absolutely packed the whole weekend, it attracts people from other countries.),
...or concerts (they just want to sell you their latest CDs, t-shirts and merch once you've paid to get in).
You also evidently aren't members of any wholesale clubs like Sam's, etc. where you pay a membership fee for the privilege of buying things cheaper in bulk...
I could keep going but hopefully my point's been made.
I can see paying an entrance fee for a large show just because of the cost of putting on the event.
Confusing. Evidently the organizer's time/effort have value if the show is large- but they have no value when it's a small show?
Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so.
Invalid analogy. People are coming to pay you for your tax knowledge, not to buy the things laying around on your desk. Coin buyers are there to peruse and buy the tangible items laying on the dealers' tables. >>
You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
Reread the part of your post that asks "Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so." My point was that equating what you do with what a coin show promoter does isn't analagous. You are selling your knowledge; coin sellers are selling a tangible item or items. Thus the analogy is inaccurate.
As to the rest of my "rambling post", I was pointing out the inherent inconsistency in the mindset that leads to statements such as "The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat." ...when in reality we do exactly that in many other areas.
No and it seems to me a good way to help kill off the YN interest as well. What about the dad who wants to bring a couple of kids, does he have to now pay $60? You get to see all those people for free at the big shows, so there is little incentive to me. Paying for the opportunity to shop rubs many the wrong way, including me.l
Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
If the admission of $20 allowed that much of a discount on my first purchase / or guaranteed an upgrade (preferrably a gold sticker, though I'm not picky) ; then maybe...Not that this would make much of a difference with the top 20 dealers.
<< <i>You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
Reread the part of your post that asks "Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so." My point was that equating what you do with what a coin show promoter does isn't analagous. You are selling your knowledge; coin sellers are selling a tangible item or items. Thus the analogy is inaccurate.
As to the rest of my "rambling post", I was pointing out the inherent inconsistency in the mindset that leads to statements such as "The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat." ...when in reality we do exactly that in many other areas. >>
Once again, you clearly do not understand my point, which really is rather straightforward. 1) You can call me on the phone to set up an appointment. You don't need to pay me $20 to do this. 2) I can contact said 20 dealers and see / learn about their wares, gratis. 3) There is a big difference between paying for entry to a big event so the promotor can cover costs versus going on a guy's website or call him to inquire about coins 4) When I go to a larger show -- which is different than paying 20 dealers for inquiring about / looking at their coins -- one of the main reasons is to keep in touch with friends and associates, not to look at coins.
I am not returning to this thread, because I have repeated myself three times and have nothing futher to say in this matter.
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
Reread the part of your post that asks "Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so." My point was that equating what you do with what a coin show promoter does isn't analagous. You are selling your knowledge; coin sellers are selling a tangible item or items. Thus the analogy is inaccurate.
As to the rest of my "rambling post", I was pointing out the inherent inconsistency in the mindset that leads to statements such as "The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat." ...when in reality we do exactly that in many other areas. >>
Once again, you clearly do not understand my point, which really is rather straightforward. 1) You can call me on the phone to set up an appointment. You don't need to pay me $20 to do this. 2) I can contact said 20 dealers and see / learn about their wares, gratis. 3) There is a big difference between paying for entry to a big event so the promotor can cover costs versus going on a guy's website or call him to inquire about coins 4) When I go to a larger show -- which is different than paying 20 dealers for inquiring about / looking at their coins -- one of the main reasons is to keep in touch with friends and associates, not to look at coins.
I am not returning to this thread, because I have repeated myself three times and have nothing futher to say in this matter. >>
1) I got that the first time. I just don't think the analogy is accurate. So sue me. 2) Using that logic, you need not go to any show, ever, because you can call any dealer and see/learn about their wares. The idea is paying a small fee to have those individuals all in one location, in person, for your convenience. 3) A patently obvious non-point. 4) So you won't pay to see coins and do business but you will pay to just hang out with friends at the show. Got it. Of course, using your own logic from point #2, you could just call your associates and friends, hang out directly with them and not have to go to the show.
I concede. Not worth arguing about further. Although I like how you contend that I don't understand your point, and then procede to modify said point, i.e. your numbers 3,4 above which were never part of the debate. Peace.
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<< <i>I don't see it working unless it's held in Realone's living room. >>
now that WOULD be worth it!
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Would you pay $20 to get info a Coin Fair? >>
There are plenty of people involved in coin collecting who wouldn't pay $20 for a $100 bill because they're convinced the seller would be making too much on the deal.
<< <i>
<< <i>Would you pay $20 to get info a Coin Fair? >>
For 20$ I would want more than just info
Jokes aside I want to say no but in reality I pay at least that much in parking at every Balitmore show so I guess I would if the right coins were there. A room full of 2x2 pedlers maybe not >>
Most coins were in 2x2's before they got into holders. Although I do understand what you're referring to. The top 20 will be dealing coins in holders.
Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
So, that must mean that people using this same logic don't go to things like:
state fairs (you pay admission to get to pay more money once inside),
amusement/theme parks (ditto)
movie theaters (you pay to get in, then they just want to profit off those blasted concessions),
most museums and zoos (they sell souvenirs you know),
car shows ( side note- the Bloomington Gold Corvette show in St Charles charges $20 admission- a bit less if you get a multi-day pass- and that's essentially for the privilege of someone selling you more items for profit (car auctions, car sales, parts, accessories, souvenirs, concessions)... and not only is it absolutely packed the whole weekend, it attracts people from other countries.),
gun shows,
flea markets,
antique shows,
electronics shows,
guitar shows,
train shows,
gun shows,
horse/specialty pet/animal shows,
...or concerts (they just want to sell you their latest CDs, t-shirts and merch once you've paid to get in).
You also evidently aren't members of any wholesale clubs like Sam's, etc. where you pay a membership fee for the privilege of buying things cheaper in bulk...
I could keep going but hopefully my point's been made.
I can see paying an entrance fee for a large show just because of the cost of putting on the event.
Confusing. Evidently the organizer's time/effort have value if the show is large- but they have no value when it's a small show?
Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so.
Invalid analogy. People are coming to pay you for your tax knowledge, not to buy the things laying around on your desk. Coin buyers are there to peruse and buy the tangible items laying on the dealers' tables.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat.
So, that must mean that people using this same logic don't go to things like:
state fairs (you pay admission to get to pay more money once inside),
amusement/theme parks (ditto)
movie theaters (you pay to get in, then they just want to profit off those blasted concessions),
most museums and zoos (they sell souvenirs you know),
car shows ( side note- the Bloomington Gold Corvette show in St Charles charges $20 admission- a bit less if you get a multi-day pass- and that's essentially for the privilege of someone selling you more items for profit (car auctions, car sales, parts, accessories, souvenirs, concessions)... and not only is it absolutely packed the whole weekend, it attracts people from other countries.),
gun shows,
flea markets,
antique shows,
electronics shows,
guitar shows,
train shows,
gun shows,
horse/specialty pet/animal shows,
...or concerts (they just want to sell you their latest CDs, t-shirts and merch once you've paid to get in).
You also evidently aren't members of any wholesale clubs like Sam's, etc. where you pay a membership fee for the privilege of buying things cheaper in bulk...
I could keep going but hopefully my point's been made.
I can see paying an entrance fee for a large show just because of the cost of putting on the event.
Confusing. Evidently the organizer's time/effort have value if the show is large- but they have no value when it's a small show?
Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so.
Invalid analogy. People are coming to pay you for your tax knowledge, not to buy the things laying around on your desk. Coin buyers are there to peruse and buy the tangible items laying on the dealers' tables. >>
You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Reread the part of your post that asks "Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so." My point was that equating what you do with what a coin show promoter does isn't analagous. You are selling your knowledge; coin sellers are selling a tangible item or items. Thus the analogy is inaccurate.
As to the rest of my "rambling post", I was pointing out the inherent inconsistency in the mindset that leads to statements such as "The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat." ...when in reality we do exactly that in many other areas.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
<< <i>If I invited Twenty top dealers to a location.... would you pay $20 bucks to see what they had to offer in a nicer setting? >>
Sure I would if I lived local where the fair would be held.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Tom
To spend my money I don't have to pay anything!!
This post pisses me off!
I'd say yes if there were significant "exhibits" of coins and other displays of coins that I'd never be able to see in person at a "regular" show.
<< <i>You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
Reread the part of your post that asks "Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so." My point was that equating what you do with what a coin show promoter does isn't analagous. You are selling your knowledge; coin sellers are selling a tangible item or items. Thus the analogy is inaccurate.
As to the rest of my "rambling post", I was pointing out the inherent inconsistency in the mindset that leads to statements such as "The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat." ...when in reality we do exactly that in many other areas. >>
Once again, you clearly do not understand my point, which really is rather straightforward.
1) You can call me on the phone to set up an appointment. You don't need to pay me $20 to do this.
2) I can contact said 20 dealers and see / learn about their wares, gratis.
3) There is a big difference between paying for entry to a big event so the promotor can cover costs versus going on a guy's website or call him to inquire about coins
4) When I go to a larger show -- which is different than paying 20 dealers for inquiring about / looking at their coins -- one of the main reasons is to keep in touch with friends and associates, not to look at coins.
I am not returning to this thread, because I have repeated myself three times and have nothing futher to say in this matter.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>
<< <i>You made a lengthy, rambling post and totally missed the point. To reiterate, someone putting together a large event must cover his / her costs to do so. As a CPA, this is obvious to me. To pay $ to see twenty dealers' wares falls outside of this parameter. Nowhere in my post did I indicate, nor imply, that people paying said $ were going to get anything with respect to my expertise.
Reread the part of your post that asks "Would you pay me $20 for the privilege of looking at the stuff in my office and the possibility of setting up a tax consultation? I don't think so." My point was that equating what you do with what a coin show promoter does isn't analagous. You are selling your knowledge; coin sellers are selling a tangible item or items. Thus the analogy is inaccurate.
As to the rest of my "rambling post", I was pointing out the inherent inconsistency in the mindset that leads to statements such as "The idea of paying a fee just so someone else can sell me an item for profit doesn't float my boat." ...when in reality we do exactly that in many other areas. >>
Once again, you clearly do not understand my point, which really is rather straightforward.
1) You can call me on the phone to set up an appointment. You don't need to pay me $20 to do this.
2) I can contact said 20 dealers and see / learn about their wares, gratis.
3) There is a big difference between paying for entry to a big event so the promotor can cover costs versus going on a guy's website or call him to inquire about coins
4) When I go to a larger show -- which is different than paying 20 dealers for inquiring about / looking at their coins -- one of the main reasons is to keep in touch with friends and associates, not to look at coins.
I am not returning to this thread, because I have repeated myself three times and have nothing futher to say in this matter. >>
1) I got that the first time. I just don't think the analogy is accurate. So sue me.
2) Using that logic, you need not go to any show, ever, because you can call any dealer and see/learn about their wares. The idea is paying a small fee to have those individuals all in one location, in person, for your convenience.
3) A patently obvious non-point.
4) So you won't pay to see coins and do business but you will pay to just hang out with friends at the show. Got it.
Of course, using your own logic from point #2, you could just call your associates and friends, hang out directly with them and not have to go to the show.
I concede. Not worth arguing about further. Although I like how you contend that I don't understand your point, and then procede to modify said point, i.e. your numbers 3,4 above which were never part of the debate. Peace.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012