I skimmed through the thread, but here are my thoughts.
First, a company can retract an error (either clerical or mis-print). In the turkey situation the store can post a notice by the item and print a retraction. They have no legal obligation to honor the price. Now for practical purposes, and goodwill, in that situation they offer times honor the price and take the hit. For example, if a car dealership sends in ad copy to the paper and the paper moves the decimal point over the dealership does not have to honor the prices.
The more interesting question here is can the seller rescind the transaction after the fact. I'd rather be on the side of attempting to rescind. Now let's say that one of those gold vending machines had a glitch and the price was $160/ounce. You notice the error. Do you pound every last ounce out of that machine? Do you notify someone? If you do drain the machine would you put up a fight when they try to get it back?
I see this as completely different from a cherrypick situation. If the price at which someone (in an equal bargaining power position) is willfully offering a product is the actual price that they would like to get for that specific product I have no problem with gaining an advantage due to superior knowledge.
I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon.
If I had bought this coin under these circumstances, I would return it and decline the reward. I'd have trouble enjoying such a coin purchased under these circumstances. What happened to the golden rule?
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<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
<< <i>This particular error is hardly clerical. Someone made a mistake. It wasn't a typo. He isn't saying it was a decimal place error. They are different numbers. >>
Your argument is that $1,650 and $16,500 are different numbers, and that it is not a decimal point error? >>
The original post states, 1650. And 15,000. Which further proves this thread has gone on long enough. Pretty much everyone has offered an opinion. So can we move on... >>
<< <i>This particular error is hardly clerical. Someone made a mistake. It wasn't a typo. He isn't saying it was a decimal place error. They are different numbers. >>
Your argument is that $1,650 and $16,500 are different numbers, and that it is not a decimal point error? >>
The original post states, 1650. And 15,000. Which further proves this thread has gone on long enough. Pretty much everyone has offered an opinion. So can we move on... >>
My mistake. >>
I think they intended to list it for $16,500 but $15,000 was what they paid for it so they would have room to negotiate with a potential buyer.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Nothing like jumping to conclusions about someones motives and character. Anyone care to change their tune...
I will NEVER do business with that seller - he's a *(#^%#Q(*$^
You think its okay to walk off with the money? You think you'd get away with it? You think it is worthy of a David vs. Goliath title? Oh please Parasite vs. host seems a more appropriate parallel.
Notice there is still a crook in that scenario?
Totally agree. The Ebay seller is crook of opportunity.
The eBay member claiming a position of "David vs. Goliath" is morally bankrupt.
This person further goes on to explain how he is dying in an attempt to garner sympathy with the reader, another sad illustration of just how morally bankrupt this individual is. Not a person I would ever want to do business with.
don't know if this was mentioned previously, but: They CLAIM they both "liked the coin" and yet it is on ebay ready to sell. That statement LIE alone negates everything else they say and indicates they are LYING, probably about everything else including the dying part.
I find his actions morally repugnant
0%: The odds that the lady and her husband didn't know that the little "o" mint mark on the reverse multiplied the value of the coin several times
Morally, I have nothing but contempt for the buyer and his rants.
Buyer refuses to return the package unopened as requested because he knows he got a rip.
Id be more than surprised if this ebayer is not a member here or ATS , seems to like the slabbed coins and has many such transactions.
As for the assertion that the buyer is broke---sorry, I'm not willing to accept that. He evidently had enough money to buy a coin costing more than $1K. This isn't capitalism at work, it's an example of a lack of ethics.
The ebay seller knew the price was in error because of his long history in the hobby, yet ordered the coin anyway and when approached by SB to return the obvious pricing error simply refused and pretended to be unaware of an issue.
It would be better for him if the world did not have to know that he is a sleazy con man at heart.
I'm hoping this individual did not raise too many kids
I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error. Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then. $138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so. Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00 CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin. Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage, It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance; (1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor. (2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited.
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What exactly was wrong with my surmising this that's been quoted ?
"Id be more than surprised if this ebayer is not a member here or ATS , seems to like the slabbed coins and has many such transactions."
Seems you were scrapping the bottem of the barrel for rocks to throw there Dupapa , so what if he says he isnt , doesnt make it so.With that said , whats upset you with my statement?
<< <i>I would like to know what the members here think if SN didn't catch their mistake. To me it is the same exact thing but that is just my opine. >>
If Stack's Bowers had not caught their mistake, the buyer would have thought he got a major rip - and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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<< <i>I would like to know what the members here think if SN didn't catch their mistake. To me it is the same exact thing but that is just my opine. >>
If Stack's Bowers had not caught their mistake, the buyer would have thought he got a major rip - and we wouldn't be having this discussion. >>
True, except he might have bragged about it on the boards if he was a member here. >>
Not if he had an ounce of commen sense , he'd have to wade through the sour grapes to get his point across.
<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
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You are one of the few posters in this thread that mostly share my view on this matter. No offense towards you was intended and your comment, the least egregious of all I listed, was included in my list only because now that it is known he was not a member on these boards and you must be more than surprised.... would that be stoked?
I felt your your comment "Id be more than surprised if this ebayer is not a member here or ATS" casted aspersions that he was too cowardly to out himself by making a reply to such an active topic.
<< <i>I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error. Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then. $138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so. Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00 CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin. Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage, It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance; (1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor. (2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited. >>
I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I don't think you would be criminally liable. You could be sued civilly for a return of the item. In Virginia, it would be an action for replevin, and a court would likely order you to return the item and order the sender to pay your out-of-pocket costs. A court would likely not award you other costs for your trouble, unless you could prove that it translated to direct out-of-pocket costs to you. Now, if you took some overt action to keep the coin, or to hide it, or something like that, then I suppose you could subject yourself to criminal action since it doesn't belong to you.
<< <i>If I was S/B, I wouldn't give a crap about legalities or anything - I'd slap a lawsuit on him so fast that he'd be certain to spend $15k or more in legal fees. It's just not right to keep the coin once he's been notified it's a clerical error [and is obviously such]. >>
Better hope you win, because if you don't, you're likely facing a suit for malicious prosecution. >>
As to the first part: Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 says you can get sanctioned if you file a frivolous lawsuit against someone, especially if you do so for the purpose of causing him to run up attorneys fees defending it. Link. If you want an example of bad ethics, suing someone just to "punish" him by making him spend money to defend himself, regardless of "legalities," is unethical. It's an abuse of the legal system which courts don't take lightly.
As to the second part: I don't think the court would find a lawsuit by S-B is frivolous; I'm sure they could come up with some valid legal arguments, as others have mentioned (e.g., unilateral mistake). Preferably they would research the law, and have a good faith basis for suing, before they "slapped" him with the lawsuit.
However, there is almost no way they would be able to get the coin back and make such a lawsuit worthwhile. Even if the guy defended the lawsuit himself (pro se) and didn't hire a lawyer, he could drag out the case and it would cost S-B way more than $15,000 before the case was resolved, with motions, pleadings, court appearances, etc. Even if S-B won, it would probably take effort and money to actually collect on the judgment or recover the coin. And if the guy hired a lawyer, I'm not at all sure S-B would win. >>
I agree with the first two points, but I disagree in part with your last point. Many states have small claims courts, which is where this likely would go. In my state, a simple action could be initiated and tried in small claims for about 5k through a simple trial. Now, if it went to the regular trial court system, the sky is the limit in terms of legal fees. In a case like this, reasonable fees could be 20-30k and even substantially more depending on how reasonable the other side was and the amount of discovery. However, for a large corp like S-B, I would think they would pursue it, not because it makes business sense in this one matter, but because it makes good business sense in the long term.
<< <i>Another point. since he advertised his issue on ebay in the way that he did, did he invariable cut off his nose inspite of his face? Would any big auction house/dealer do businesss with him if he didn't return the coin. Would anyone here deal with if he didn't return the coin. And now that he did a 180 and supposedly has shipped the coin back will any of the big dearships still blackball him? >>
I doubt that most auction houses and dealers would blackball this man. He may be many things but he is certainly not a non-payer. I also doubt, that other than S/B, people know his identity other than his Ebay username.
<< <i>Another point. since he advertised his issue on ebay in the way that he did, did he invariable cut off his nose inspite of his face? Would any big auction house/dealer do businesss with him if he didn't return the coin. Would anyone here deal with if he didn't return the coin. And now that he did a 180 and supposedly has shipped the coin back will any of the big dearships still blackball him? >>
I doubt that most auction houses and dealers would blackball this man. He may be many things but he is certainly not a non-payer. I also doubt, that other than S/B, people know his identity other than his Ebay username. >>
I think more people than you might guess know who it is , for all the good it does anyone. I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised.Coincidently enough i seen a freinds ebay handle as a seller to the guy , he lives in wisconsin but i don't think it's fair to say anymore than that. My point being there is no anonymity on the bay.
<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
I'm glad to hear this it was the right thing to do
<< <i>I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error. Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then. $138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so. Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00 CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin. Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage, It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance; (1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor. (2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited. >>
Sounds to me like SB needs a thorough housecleaning and this is an all to often occurrence there.
<<< I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised >>>
In a sea of replies where 99% of those feel the individual was dead wrong from the word go, as well as unethical, showed a lack of integrity, morals, etc, etc. I'm sure he will take great comfort in knowing he does have someone defending and supporting his actions in you.
<< <i><<< I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised >>>
In a sea of replies where 99% of those feel the individual was dead wrong from the word go, as well as unethical, showed a lack of integrity, morals, etc, etc. I'm sure he will take great comfort in knowing he does have someone defending and supporting his actions in you. >>
I take it reading isnt your strong point.Your excused.
<< <i><<< I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised >>>
In a sea of replies where 99% of those feel the individual was dead wrong from the word go, as well as unethical, showed a lack of integrity, morals, etc, etc. I'm sure he will take great comfort in knowing he does have someone defending and supporting his actions in you. >>
Yeah, especially since he has been invited to join here (according to an ealier post) and will surely devour this thread, if he has not already.
<< <i>I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error. Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then. $138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so. Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00 CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin. Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage, It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance; (1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor. (2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited. >>
Mike,
I believe this issue was addressed somewhere in the last few years...I think maybe in one of the trade mags (NN or CW). I think it was the person who is a lawyer and writes for them (Armand?) who did a column on that very question.....as I recall, the gist of it was:
If you receive something unsolicited, and clearly in error (ie....it isn't asking you to buy anything in order to keep it), then, no, legally it is not yours. You may not be on the hook to pay (and not be reimbursed) for the return, but you cannot keep it and, if it is requested back, it is legally the entity's that sent it. If, however, a business sent you something unsolicited, and wanted something in return (ie, money/a subscription/etc), then it can be treated as yours and you do not have to send it back as they had no right to send it to you without your request and they did so purposefully.
In the case that sparked this thread, it was intentionally purchased, intentionally priced, intentionally sent. Because of that, the other issues that everyone is arguing come in.
I've read some of the thread and now will join in the fray. Personally, I don't care what the law says, the moral thing to do is return coin. Much of this hobby does seem to revolve around finding a treasure and making a lot of money, but this is just not right. JMHO
I'am RADEVINE and this ongoig thread concerns a problem i'am having with a 1900-O Barber Half Dollar MS65+ I purchased from StacksBowers on Monday May 1 and subsequent posting on eBay a few facts if I might although many of you if not most of you have convicted me of moral and ethical issues and called me every name in the book go ahead I can take it the only one I will respond to is DuPapa and you my freind are a pathetic excuse for a human being shame on you if I didn't know better I say you were in bed with StacksBowers am I right I purchased this coin on May 1 after it had been on there online list of coins for sale I spoke to G.N. on the coin for about 15-20 minutes he's a nice fellow originally from Mineral Point Wi and a huge Packer fan as i'am We agreed on the price as I could not talk him down the price was 1650 firm NOW the only guide I have lists this at 3500 in MS63 and I do not even collect Barbers but I liked the look of this coin as did my wife and from their photos it was gorgeous so I bought it I know alot of you are saying Oh Yeah sure all you have to do is look online and you could tell that it lists for 15,000+ but on May 1 when I bought it it was an extremely good value and worth 3500+ On Thursday I called S/B to inquire as to when it would arrive as he had stated I would get it on Wed G.N. told me it was in G.B. and that I should receive it later that day as it happened I did not get it untill Friday About 2 hours after I called on thursday I received a call from G.N. he was frantic and said we made a big mistake the coin was worth 15,000.00 his job was in jepordy and could I send it back I was shocked and stunned and I said well yes but how do I get my money back and he said oh well will just credit your card you used for the purchase I detected an uneasyness with his responce nervousness I suppose if your job was on the line that might be my reaction too however at that point I was only concerned with getting MY 1650.00 back Five minutes later G.N. called back and said Dont even open the parcel just leave it alone I will email you the USPS Express mail code that we use just put another label over it and write in the number you dont even have to open it THATS WHEN I STARTED TO GET CONCERNED NOT ONLY WAS I NOT GOING TO GET MY MONEY BACK BUT I WASN'T GOING TO GET MY COIN EITHER I said to myself wait a minute i'am going to give P.N. head of retail sales a call in the morning before I do ANYTHING Friday morning I called P.N. and left a message on his voicemail to call me, and about 1 or so he called back very smooth talker extremely smooth and he said well we have a situation here and that he had been in contact with G.N. and had confered with the CEO of S/B and was aware of the problem he said "what can we do to make it right" I had a hard time talking I said that I had suffered a stroke in Oct 2010 and let him talk to my wife who was 2 feet from me he asked her if she was a religous person detected an accent and asked her where she was from Jamaica my wife said and said how about if we offered you 1000.00 but she liked the coin and wanted to keep it and before she could get her thoughts out he hung up on her I received an email later that evening from the President of S/B and he was not so nice he reitterated that it was a clerical error and that I was unjustly trying to enrich myself ABSOLUTELY FALSE AND UNTRUE NEITHER MY WIFE OR MYSELF EVER MENTIONED A MONETARY FIGURE again I know many/most of you think that is BS however thats the truth I listed the coin on eBay saturday night with ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF SELLING THE COIN BUT RATHER TO GET MY STORY OUT AND TOO FIND OUT IF THEY S/B HAD ANY LEGAL RIGHT TO MY COIN That my freinds was WRONG and UNETHECAL and I admit that it was wrong and unethecal I should not have used that venue but I feft it was the only venue I could use to get my story out and when the coin reached 1000.00 I ended it and apologize to anyone who might have bid on it After consulting several attornies both locally and in Milwaukee/Green Bay it has been called an interesting scenario that could drag on and on but probably not be worth the hastle and grind even though they feel we would have a good chance of winning however they stated that we should ask for our money back plus 1000.00 for pain and suffering. So I emailed C.N. at S/B Monday evening and he emailed me back and stated " I will, of course, refund your purchase price and reluctantly, will pay you 1000.00 for the inconveince. Please contact G.N. to coordinate the return shipping. Once we receive the coin, we will credit your account 1665.00 plus 1000.00 for a total of 2675.00. This will get credited to the credit card used for the transaction" "This email will serve as your evidence of our agreement to pay once the coin is received in our California offices
My wife told me not to trust them The coin was shipped yesterday USPS Express mail EI 522170504 US It was signed and delivered today at 12:09 PM PDT I'am still waiting for them to refund my money as of 11:00PM CDT tonight
So you initially agreed to return the coin - why did you change your mind? As for being concerned you were not going to get a refund - I found that strange, since if you trust S/B to place an order, clearly they were going to refund you.
Anyway - I'm glad you're returning the coin - I think that was the right thing to do, taking everything into account.
Thanks for the update. From what you typed, and assuming what you say is true (I am not doubting you but am acknowledging it is information I am taking at trust as I wasn't there), then as I have often said on these boards, HOW you treat someone can be critical...particularly if there are problems.
It sounds like you, and your wife, did not feel that S/B reps treated you respectfully and that caused some of the issues.
I also applaud you for coming into this place and facing the folks that did not know more details but were badmouthing you the entire time. Many jump to opinions and never seem to mind not having the full story. Of course, we still don't have S/B's story, so it would be great if they could login and update as well, but that may be a bit much to expect.
Hello Ian and thank you I changed my mind when G.N. called back the second time and said "DONT OPEN THE PARCEL" it seemed fishy odd especially since it was mine up to that point I was going to send it back all that changed in 5 minutes time remember desperate people do desperate things especially when their backed up against the wall I was afraid that I would'nt get my money back or my coin stranger things have happened hell if it was worth so much why didn't they just go ahead and refund my money immediately
Thank you and you are exactly right I do not think we were treated with even an once of dignity and respect and we still haven't been i'am still waiting and its been over 12 hours since they had the coin back I will give them the benefit of the doubt tonight and tomorrow and then I will write a book its funny but they made the mistake and its MY FAULT I keep going back to the story of what if the facts were reversed
You'll very likely get refunded and their offer of $1000 "to make it right". Good to see you're owning that ebay mistake on listing but it gave the forum something to hash around for awhile. Stick around,as it is the best forum for ANY coin subject plus a good Buy/Sell section.
<< <i>Thank you and you are exactly right I do not think we were treated with even an once of dignity and respect and we still haven't been i'am still waiting and its been over 12 hours since they had the coin back I will give them the benefit of the doubt tonight and tomorrow and then I will write a book its funny but they made the mistake and its MY FAULT I keep going back to the story of what if the facts were reversed >>
To be honest, THAT part I wouldn't worry about. Being a large company, and with a lot of moving pieces, it will take a little bit of time. You have the proof of shipment and hopefully signature, but I don't think you will even need that.
They should hopefully be calling you back, to confirm receipt (as that would be the best and most classy thing to do). If they wait until you call and/or just put the money back on your account without calling, then I think that is a poor move on their part...no matter if they believe relations have been strained or not.
Please have some patience and please do update us on any changes or if you haven't had a confirmation from them by Monday. Something at this level, that they were supposedly so hot over, should be something they are watching for and want to close out.
My wife told me not to trust them The coin was shipped yesterday USPS Express mail EI 522170504 US It was signed and delivered today at 12:09 PM PDT I'am still waiting for them to refund my money as of 11:00PM CDT tonight
What exactly is the hurry? It's going to your credit card - as long as the credit shows up before your next statement date, you're fine and dandy.
Oh - I forgot - you want an extra $1,000 for your "pain and suffering".
<< <i>My wife told me not to trust them The coin was shipped yesterday USPS Express mail EI 522170504 US It was signed and delivered today at 12:09 PM PDT I'am still waiting for them to refund my money as of 11:00PM CDT tonight
What exactly is the hurry? It's going to your credit card - as long as the credit shows up before your next statement date, you're fine and dandy.
Oh - I forgot - you want an extra $1,000 for your "pain and suffering". >>
Bruce....without knowing his situation, that is really uncalled for, imho. Yes, you have your hackles up on this, but still, you are taking cheap shots and you weren't part of the situation.
Why not let him sort it out with SB? Why take shots at him?
I would think they told you to leave it in the package so you wouldn't have had to repack it before shipping. In other words, they had it packed the way they wanted it. Just a guess.
Would you have had to pay return shipping if you had left it in the package? If you had slapped another label on it, couldn't you have just given it to the mailman and been done with it? Just wondering.
Based on their initials, you've found people at Stacks that I've done a sizable amount of business with, both selling and buying. Both of the '.N's are good guys and aren't going to screw you out of your payment. You have the records for it - just keep your outgoing shipping receipts and you'll be fully covered.
Stacks isn't going to ruin their reputation for $10K, which is exactly what would happen if they would maliciously not pay you.
Just give it a few days to ensure the box gets in the right hands and that they've processed everything - if my past experience with them is indicative of anything, you'll be made whole.
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First, a company can retract an error (either clerical or mis-print). In the turkey situation the store can post a notice by the item and print a retraction. They have no legal obligation to honor the price. Now for practical purposes, and goodwill, in that situation they offer times honor the price and take the hit. For example, if a car dealership sends in ad copy to the paper and the paper moves the decimal point over the dealership does not have to honor the prices.
The more interesting question here is can the seller rescind the transaction after the fact. I'd rather be on the side of attempting to rescind. Now let's say that one of those gold vending machines had a glitch and the price was $160/ounce. You notice the error. Do you pound every last ounce out of that machine? Do you notify someone? If you do drain the machine would you put up a fight when they try to get it back?
I see this as completely different from a cherrypick situation. If the price at which someone (in an equal bargaining power position) is willfully offering a product is the actual price that they would like to get for that specific product I have no problem with gaining an advantage due to superior knowledge.
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<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
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<< <i>This particular error is hardly clerical. Someone made a mistake. It wasn't a typo. He isn't saying it was a decimal place error. They are different numbers. >>
Your argument is that $1,650 and $16,500 are different numbers, and that it is not a decimal point error? >>
The original post states, 1650. And 15,000. Which further proves this thread has gone on long enough. Pretty much everyone has offered an opinion. So can we move on... >>
My mistake.
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<< <i>This particular error is hardly clerical. Someone made a mistake. It wasn't a typo. He isn't saying it was a decimal place error. They are different numbers. >>
Your argument is that $1,650 and $16,500 are different numbers, and that it is not a decimal point error? >>
The original post states, 1650. And 15,000. Which further proves this thread has gone on long enough. Pretty much everyone has offered an opinion. So can we move on... >>
My mistake. >>
I think they intended to list it for $16,500 but $15,000 was what they paid for it so they would have room to negotiate with a potential buyer.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Nothing like jumping to conclusions about someones motives and character.
Anyone care to change their tune...
I will NEVER do business with that seller - he's a *(#^%#Q(*$^
You think its okay to walk off with the money? You think you'd get away with it? You think it is worthy of a David vs. Goliath title? Oh please
Parasite vs. host seems a more appropriate parallel.
Notice there is still a crook in that scenario?
Totally agree. The Ebay seller is crook of opportunity.
The eBay member claiming a position of "David vs. Goliath" is morally bankrupt.
This person further goes on to explain how he is dying in an attempt to garner sympathy with the reader, another sad illustration of just how morally bankrupt this individual is. Not a person I would ever want to do business with.
don't know if this was mentioned previously, but: They CLAIM they both "liked the coin" and yet it is on ebay ready to sell.
That statement LIE alone negates everything else they say and indicates they are LYING, probably about everything else including the dying part.
I find his actions morally repugnant
0%: The odds that the lady and her husband didn't know that the little "o" mint mark on the reverse multiplied the value of the coin several times
Morally, I have nothing but contempt for the buyer and his rants.
Buyer refuses to return the package unopened as requested because he knows he got a rip.
Id be more than surprised if this ebayer is not a member here or ATS , seems to like the slabbed coins and has many such transactions.
As for the assertion that the buyer is broke---sorry, I'm not willing to accept that. He evidently had enough money to buy a coin costing more than $1K.
This isn't capitalism at work, it's an example of a lack of ethics.
The ebay seller knew the price was in error because of his long history in the hobby, yet ordered the coin anyway and when approached by SB to return the obvious pricing error simply refused and pretended to be unaware of an issue.
It would be better for him if the world did not have to
know that he is a sleazy con man at heart.
I'm hoping this individual did not raise too many kids
I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error.
Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped
to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then.
$138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend
and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to
return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so.
Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00
CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin.
Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage,
It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance;
(1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor.
(2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited.
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"Id be more than surprised if this ebayer is not a member here or ATS , seems to like the slabbed coins and has many such transactions."
Seems you were scrapping the bottem of the barrel for rocks to throw there Dupapa , so what if he says he isnt , doesnt make it so.With that said , whats upset you with my statement?
<< <i>I would like to know what the members here think if SN didn't catch their mistake.
To me it is the same exact thing but that is just my opine. >>
If Stack's Bowers had not caught their mistake, the buyer would have
thought he got a major rip - and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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<< <i>I would like to know what the members here think if SN didn't catch their mistake.
To me it is the same exact thing but that is just my opine. >>
If Stack's Bowers had not caught their mistake, the buyer would have
thought he got a major rip - and we wouldn't be having this discussion. >>
True, except he might have bragged about it on the boards if he was a member here. >>
Not if he had an ounce of commen sense , he'd have to wade through the sour grapes to get his point across.
have been so stupid as to say what happened if he were
on these boards ( or ATS ).
He would have been run out of here on a rail.
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<< <i>Nothing like jumping to conclusions about someones motives and character. Anyone care to change their tune... >>
Yes, his ebay rant had nothing to do with those conclusions.
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<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
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<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
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MJ
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You are one of the few posters in this thread that mostly share my view on this matter.
No offense towards you was intended and your comment, the least egregious of all I listed, was included in my list only because now that it is known he was not a member on these boards and you must be more than surprised.... would that be stoked?
I felt your your comment "Id be more than surprised if this ebayer is not a member here or ATS" casted aspersions that he was too cowardly to out himself by making a reply to such an active topic.
I wonder if S/B had to sweeten the pot any to get the coin returned.
<< <i>I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error.
Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped
to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then.
$138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend
and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to
return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so.
Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00
CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin.
Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage,
It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance;
(1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor.
(2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited. >>
I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I don't think you would be criminally liable. You could be sued civilly for a return of the item. In Virginia, it would be an action for replevin, and a court would likely order you to return the item and order the sender to pay your out-of-pocket costs. A court would likely not award you other costs for your trouble, unless you could prove that it translated to direct out-of-pocket costs to you. Now, if you took some overt action to keep the coin, or to hide it, or something like that, then I suppose you could subject yourself to criminal action since it doesn't belong to you.
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<< <i>If I was S/B, I wouldn't give a crap about legalities or anything - I'd slap a lawsuit on him so fast that he'd be certain to spend $15k or more in legal fees. It's just not right to keep the coin once he's been notified it's a clerical error [and is obviously such]. >>
Better hope you win, because if you don't, you're likely facing a suit for malicious prosecution. >>
As to the first part: Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 says you can get sanctioned if you file a frivolous lawsuit against someone, especially if you do so for the purpose of causing him to run up attorneys fees defending it. Link. If you want an example of bad ethics, suing someone just to "punish" him by making him spend money to defend himself, regardless of "legalities," is unethical. It's an abuse of the legal system which courts don't take lightly.
As to the second part: I don't think the court would find a lawsuit by S-B is frivolous; I'm sure they could come up with some valid legal arguments, as others have mentioned (e.g., unilateral mistake). Preferably they would research the law, and have a good faith basis for suing, before they "slapped" him with the lawsuit.
However, there is almost no way they would be able to get the coin back and make such a lawsuit worthwhile. Even if the guy defended the lawsuit himself (pro se) and didn't hire a lawyer, he could drag out the case and it would cost S-B way more than $15,000 before the case was resolved, with motions, pleadings, court appearances, etc. Even if S-B won, it would probably take effort and money to actually collect on the judgment or recover the coin. And if the guy hired a lawyer, I'm not at all sure S-B would win. >>
I agree with the first two points, but I disagree in part with your last point. Many states have small claims courts, which is where this likely would go. In my state, a simple action could be initiated and tried in small claims for about 5k through a simple trial. Now, if it went to the regular trial court system, the sky is the limit in terms of legal fees. In a case like this, reasonable fees could be 20-30k and even substantially more depending on how reasonable the other side was and the amount of discovery. However, for a large corp like S-B, I would think they would pursue it, not because it makes business sense in this one matter, but because it makes good business sense in the long term.
Tom
<< <i>Another point.
since he advertised his issue on ebay in the way that he did, did he invariable cut off his nose inspite of his face? Would any big auction house/dealer do businesss with him if he didn't return the coin. Would anyone here deal with if he didn't return the coin. And now that he did a 180 and supposedly has shipped the coin back will any of the big dearships still blackball him? >>
I doubt that most auction houses and dealers would blackball this man. He may be many things but he is certainly not a non-payer. I also doubt, that other than S/B, people know his identity other than his Ebay username.
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since he advertised his issue on ebay in the way that he did, did he invariable cut off his nose inspite of his face? Would any big auction house/dealer do businesss with him if he didn't return the coin. Would anyone here deal with if he didn't return the coin. And now that he did a 180 and supposedly has shipped the coin back will any of the big dearships still blackball him? >>
I doubt that most auction houses and dealers would blackball this man. He may be many things but he is certainly not a non-payer. I also doubt, that other than S/B, people know his identity other than his Ebay username. >>
I think more people than you might guess know who it is , for all the good it does anyone. I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised.Coincidently enough i seen a freinds ebay handle as a seller to the guy , he lives in wisconsin but i don't think it's fair to say anymore than that. My point being there is no anonymity on the bay.
<< <i>I contacted the seller yesterday to encourage him to join the forum and get his two cents in on this thread. I received a reply that the 1900 o half is on it's way back to S/B having shipped yesterday afternoon. Seller has applied to the forum to post, I guess he is not able to, yet. Hopefully he can do so soon. >>
I'm glad to hear this it was the right thing to do
<< <i>I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error.
Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped
to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then.
$138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend
and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to
return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so.
Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00
CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin.
Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage,
It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance;
(1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor.
(2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited. >>
Sounds to me like SB needs a thorough housecleaning and this is an all to often occurrence there.
In a sea of replies where 99% of those feel the individual was dead wrong from the word go, as well as unethical, showed a lack of integrity, morals, etc, etc. I'm sure he will take great comfort in knowing he does have someone defending and supporting his actions in you.
<< <i><<< I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised >>>
In a sea of replies where 99% of those feel the individual was dead wrong from the word go, as well as unethical, showed a lack of integrity, morals, etc, etc. I'm sure he will take great comfort in knowing he does have someone defending and supporting his actions in you. >>
I take it reading isnt your strong point.Your excused.
<< <i><<< I don't think the guy was out of line at any point although the ebay listing was well weird in its wording if not ill advised >>>
In a sea of replies where 99% of those feel the individual was dead wrong from the word go, as well as unethical, showed a lack of integrity, morals, etc, etc. I'm sure he will take great comfort in knowing he does have someone defending and supporting his actions in you. >>
Yeah, especially since he has been invited to join here (according to an ealier post) and will surely devour this thread, if he has not already.
<< <i>I agree, it's not right to keep the coin which was priced & shipped in error.
Receiving an offer of $1,000.00 to return it was more than generous as well.
My question is simply ( without any moral ramifications ) if something is shipped
to you are you legally obligated to return it ?
I had a situation last August with S/B myself which raised a few eyebrows then.
$138,500.00 Rare Half Eagle sent to me in error. Had it for Labor Day weekend
and couldn't get it in the safe deposit box. Although I was more than willing to
return it as fast as I could, it was a three hour round trip journey for me to do so.
Taking all of that into consideration, S/B's representative, offered me a $500.00
CREDIT against any future auction purchases.
That's a far cry from receiving a $1,000.00 check for the return of a $16,500 coin.
Which is the equivalent of 6% - and if I were to have been offered the same percentage,
It would have been almost $8,400.00.
I am not complaining, mind you, I didn't want the rare Half Eagle under any circumstance;
(1) It didn't belong to me. It belonged to the winning bidder - or - to the original consignor.
(2) It would have been considered to be theft ( IMHO ) if I had not returned it.
My question is more along the legality of keeping such a coin, unsolicited. >>
Mike,
I believe this issue was addressed somewhere in the last few years...I think maybe in one of the trade mags (NN or CW). I think it was the person who is a lawyer and writes for them (Armand?) who did a column on that very question.....as I recall, the gist of it was:
If you receive something unsolicited, and clearly in error (ie....it isn't asking you to buy anything in order to keep it), then, no, legally it is not yours. You may not be on the hook to pay (and not be reimbursed) for the return, but you cannot keep it and, if it is requested back, it is legally the entity's that sent it.
If, however, a business sent you something unsolicited, and wanted something in return (ie, money/a subscription/etc), then it can be treated as yours and you do not have to send it back as they had no right to send it to you without your request and they did so purposefully.
In the case that sparked this thread, it was intentionally purchased, intentionally priced, intentionally sent.
Because of that, the other issues that everyone is arguing come in.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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Don't be shy. Make your own thread and introduce yourself
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Let the games begin!
I purchased this coin on May 1 after it had been on there online list of coins for sale I spoke to G.N. on the coin for about 15-20 minutes he's a nice fellow originally from Mineral Point Wi and a huge Packer fan as i'am We agreed on the price as I could not talk him down the price was 1650 firm NOW the only guide I have lists this at 3500 in MS63 and I do not even collect Barbers but I liked the look of this coin as did my wife and from their photos it was gorgeous so I bought it I know alot of you are saying Oh Yeah sure all you have to do is look online and you could tell that it lists for 15,000+ but on May 1 when I bought it it was an extremely good value and worth 3500+
On Thursday I called S/B to inquire as to when it would arrive as he had stated I would get it on Wed G.N. told me it was in G.B. and that I should receive it later that day as it happened I did not get it untill Friday
About 2 hours after I called on thursday I received a call from G.N. he was frantic and said we made a big mistake the coin was worth 15,000.00 his job was in jepordy and could I send it back I was shocked and stunned and I said well yes but how do I get my money back and he said oh well will just credit your card you used for the purchase I detected an uneasyness with his responce nervousness I suppose if your job was on the line that might be my reaction too however at that point I was only concerned with getting MY 1650.00 back
Five minutes later G.N. called back and said Dont even open the parcel just leave it alone I will email you the USPS Express mail code that we use just put another label over it and write in the number you dont even have to open it THATS WHEN I STARTED TO GET CONCERNED NOT ONLY WAS I NOT GOING TO GET MY MONEY BACK BUT I WASN'T GOING TO GET MY COIN EITHER I said to myself wait a minute i'am going to give P.N. head of retail sales a call in the morning before I do ANYTHING
Friday morning I called P.N. and left a message on his voicemail to call me, and about 1 or so he called back very smooth talker extremely smooth and he said well we have a situation here and that he had been in contact with G.N. and had confered with the CEO of S/B and was aware of the problem he said "what can we do to make it right" I had a hard time talking I said that I had suffered a stroke in Oct 2010 and let him talk to my wife who was 2 feet from me he asked her if she was a religous person detected an accent and asked her where she was from Jamaica my wife said and said how about if we offered you 1000.00 but she liked the coin and wanted to keep it and before she could get her thoughts out he hung up on her
I received an email later that evening from the President of S/B and he was not so nice he reitterated that it was a clerical error and that I was unjustly trying to enrich myself ABSOLUTELY FALSE AND UNTRUE NEITHER MY WIFE OR MYSELF EVER MENTIONED A MONETARY FIGURE again I know many/most of you think that is BS however thats the truth
I listed the coin on eBay saturday night with ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF SELLING THE COIN BUT RATHER TO GET MY STORY OUT AND TOO FIND OUT IF THEY S/B HAD ANY LEGAL RIGHT TO MY COIN
That my freinds was WRONG and UNETHECAL and I admit that it was wrong and unethecal I should not have used that venue but I feft it was the only venue I could use to get my story out and when the coin reached 1000.00 I ended it and apologize to anyone who might have bid on it
After consulting several attornies both locally and in Milwaukee/Green Bay it has been called an interesting scenario that could drag on and on but probably not be worth the hastle and grind even though they feel we would have a good chance of winning however they stated that we should ask for our money back plus 1000.00 for pain and suffering.
So I emailed C.N. at S/B Monday evening and he emailed me back and stated " I will, of course, refund your purchase price and reluctantly, will pay you 1000.00 for the inconveince. Please contact G.N. to coordinate the return shipping. Once we receive the coin, we will credit your account 1665.00 plus 1000.00 for a total of 2675.00. This will get credited to the credit card used for the transaction"
"This email will serve as your evidence of our agreement to pay once the coin is received in our California offices
My wife told me not to trust them
The coin was shipped yesterday USPS Express mail EI 522170504 US It was signed and delivered today at 12:09 PM PDT
I'am still waiting for them to refund my money as of 11:00PM CDT tonight
so crucify me radevine
So you initially agreed to return the coin - why did you change your mind? As for being concerned you were not going to get a refund - I found that strange, since if you trust S/B to place an order, clearly they were going to refund you.
Anyway - I'm glad you're returning the coin - I think that was the right thing to do, taking everything into account.
- Ian
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From what you typed, and assuming what you say is true (I am not doubting you but am acknowledging it is information I am taking at trust as I wasn't there), then as I have often said on these boards, HOW you treat someone can be critical...particularly if there are problems.
It sounds like you, and your wife, did not feel that S/B reps treated you respectfully and that caused some of the issues.
I also applaud you for coming into this place and facing the folks that did not know more details but were badmouthing you the entire time. Many jump to opinions and never seem to mind not having the full story.
Of course, we still don't have S/B's story, so it would be great if they could login and update as well, but that may be a bit much to expect.
Welcome to the boards.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Is that you?
(Oh... can't be. DOOPS is dead.)
peacockcoins
I changed my mind when G.N. called back the second time and said "DONT OPEN THE PARCEL" it seemed fishy odd especially since it was mine up to that point I was going to send it back all that changed in 5 minutes time remember desperate people do desperate things especially when their backed up against the wall
I was afraid that I would'nt get my money back or my coin stranger things have happened hell if it was worth so much why didn't they just go ahead and refund my money immediately
<< <i>Thank you and you are exactly right I do not think we were treated with even an once of dignity and respect and we still haven't been i'am still waiting and its been over 12 hours since they had the coin back I will give them the benefit of the doubt tonight and tomorrow and then I will write a book its funny but they made the mistake and its MY FAULT I keep going back to the story of what if the facts were reversed >>
To be honest, THAT part I wouldn't worry about. Being a large company, and with a lot of moving pieces, it will take a little bit of time.
You have the proof of shipment and hopefully signature, but I don't think you will even need that.
They should hopefully be calling you back, to confirm receipt (as that would be the best and most classy thing to do). If they wait until you call and/or just put the money back on your account without calling, then I think that is a poor move on their part...no matter if they believe relations have been strained or not.
Please have some patience and please do update us on any changes or if you haven't had a confirmation from them by Monday. Something at this level, that they were supposedly so hot over, should be something they are watching for and want to close out.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
The coin was shipped yesterday USPS Express mail EI 522170504 US It was signed and delivered today at 12:09 PM PDT
I'am still waiting for them to refund my money as of 11:00PM CDT tonight
What exactly is the hurry? It's going to your credit card - as long as the credit shows up before your next statement date, you're fine and dandy.
Oh - I forgot - you want an extra $1,000 for your "pain and suffering".
glad to see these turn of events
with any luck a stacks rep would bow in too and we could see true patching up here
welcome to the forums too
<< <i>My wife told me not to trust them
The coin was shipped yesterday USPS Express mail EI 522170504 US It was signed and delivered today at 12:09 PM PDT
I'am still waiting for them to refund my money as of 11:00PM CDT tonight
What exactly is the hurry? It's going to your credit card - as long as the credit shows up before your next statement date, you're fine and dandy.
Oh - I forgot - you want an extra $1,000 for your "pain and suffering". >>
Bruce....without knowing his situation, that is really uncalled for, imho.
Yes, you have your hackles up on this, but still, you are taking cheap shots and you weren't part of the situation.
Why not let him sort it out with SB? Why take shots at him?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Would you have had to pay return shipping if you had left it in the package? If you had slapped another label on it, couldn't you have just given it to the mailman and been done with it? Just wondering.
Welcome to the boards!
Stacks isn't going to ruin their reputation for $10K, which is exactly what would happen if they would maliciously not pay you.
Just give it a few days to ensure the box gets in the right hands and that they've processed everything - if my past experience with them is indicative of anything, you'll be made whole.
John
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