VCP no longer tracks my ebay sales....your collections could be losing "value"

gameusedhoop · April 21, 2012 2:01AM

Apparently Bobby does not like the order in which my title is written and it is causing "extra effort" to track my listings.

My title is: PSA 8 1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos AFL Set Break

He prefers: 1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos PSA 8 AFL Set Break

Since I am the one paying for the listing, I'd much rather have the PSA grade right next to the thumbnail picture. People are generally lazy and it makes it easier to see what the grade is without doing too much reading.

He goes on to say that if I started my auctions at 99 cents he would be willing to do the work to track them, "but since most of your starting prices are more then double the value of the card we show it is not worth the time and effort"...this is an untrue statement as I've priced most of my auctions according to VCP past sales. They may not be at the LAST sale price, but they are certainly in the ballpark of a past price.

For an example of why your collection may have less "value" because of this, let's look at my recent sales of 1962 Fleer Football cards. They were listed last Sunday night for 7 day auctions with buy it nows on every one. I put up 72 cards, 31 have already sold! Here is a breakdown of sales that will not be recorded by VCP:

PSA 8 that have sold:
6 cards sold for the highest price ever according to VCP info
1 card sold for the highest price since 2011
4 cards sold for the highest price since 2010
4 cards sold for the highest price since 2009
2 cards sold for the highest price since 2008
9 cards sold for the highest price since 2007
1 card sold for the highest price since 2006

PSA 7 cards that have sold:
2 cards sold for the highest price ever according to VCP info
1 card sold for the highest price since 2011
1 card sold for the highest price since 2010

These sold cards have all been paid for and shipped, many have already been entered into registry sets. In addition 6 more have bids currently meaning at least 36 of the 72 will sell on the 1st listing, with many more expected to sell as there are many watchers on a bunch of them. If these sales (all legitimate) were entered in VCP the average sale price would rise significantly adding "value" to the sets in the registry.

Although VCP is only a guide, as is any price tracking entity, it almost looks like price manipulation is happening when they choose the easy way out and not list certain results because it may take some extra effort. It seems like the software used to track prices on ebay is due for an upgrade.

Sorry for the long read, but I do feel that this is important and wondering how many other sales are be selectively ignored by VCP.

Dpeck100 · April 21, 2012 2:24AM

I think this was a very informative and well written post.

VCP pricing is meaningless to the cards I collect but many on here quote it like it is the Bible.

Hopefully Bobby takes this customer feedback into account.

Yankees001 · April 21, 2012 2:26AM

I personally don't like the way you list your items. If I would go through your listings I would not notice the PSA grades. I always look in the middle and end of the heading.

It's Bobby's decision, untill someone else buys VCP.

Dave

gameusedhoop · April 21, 2012 2:30AM

<< I personally don't like the way you list your items. If I would go through your listings I would not notice the PSA grades. I always look in the middle and end of the heading >>

Sorry that you feel this way Yankees001, but I feel that many buyers are looking at the thumbnail picture first, and then read left to right, so they get the grade, year and player name 1st, and extra stuff like the team and set break which are just extra keywords later if they continue to read. When looking at alot of auctions for the same item, I feel that mine stands out this way.

Edited to add. unless you "hover" over the title the end of the listing isn't even visible. You often about 60 characters and then get....until you hover or click.

itzagoner · April 21, 2012 2:33AM

irregardless of VCP pricing information, it appears you've done very well so far in pricing your items as you wish them to be sold.

before there was a VCP, we all needed to examine the importance of achieving what we believed to be actual value for cards which are difficult to obtain.

now, it's kind of like a crutch to some folks i guess, and takes away from the old art of negotiating.

while we can appreciate its existance, it's not necessarily the gospel.

on the other hand, a formatting issue should not take away from the ability to research current info and should be corrected.

CW · April 21, 2012 2:38AM

I don't think your collection is necessarily losing value, but I will
agree that VCP's software should (and could) be tweaked to
catch auctions with titles like the ones you use.

However, what if you modified your title to look like this? Could both
parties be happy with this (ie. you get your grade listed first, and vcp's
software could track it)?

PSA 8 1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos PSA 8 AFL Set Break

gameusedhoop · April 21, 2012 2:42AM

<< However, what if you modified your title to look like this? Could both parties be happy with this (ie. you get your grade listed first, and vcp's
software could track it)?

PSA 8 1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos PSA 8 AFL Set Break >>

Nice idea! I guess the only one who could answer that would be Bobby. It wasn't a suggestion he made, but if it's OK for him, I'd have no problem with it.

sportscardtheory · April 21, 2012 2:42AM

<< I personally don't like the way you list your items. If I would go through your listings I would not notice the PSA grades. I always look in the middle and end of the heading.

It's Bobby's decision, untill someone else buys VCP.

Dave >>

You start looking at a title from the middle to the end and completely discount what is written first? lol

jimrad · April 21, 2012 2:48AM

Steve - thanks for your post. I appreciate that you are sharing this info and I don't understand
how in this world of technology it isn't simple to track all sales information

gameusedhoop · April 21, 2012 2:48AM

<< I don't think your collection is necessarily losing value >>

I do disagree with this though. 1962 Fleer #68 Tom Flores, if you sort VCP by average price it shows $31. With my sale of $60, the average price shown would now be $45.50. Fairly insignificant with one card, but now do that for 72 cards from an 88 card set and we are talking quite a few dollars.

EDIT: and if there are other untracked dealers involved the problem could be amplified even more.

Sportsamerica · April 21, 2012 4:24AM

I guess I don't understand, how your collections could be losing value because VCP does not capture the sale.

First off, I am a paying customer of VCP, and I like the value I get for the price, I know it is not perfect, just like your listings are not captured, so are others who sell below the average. VCP is good for cards which trade often, it gives you the value. However, cards which don't trade often, the price is just a guide.

Your value of the collection is what someone else is willing to pay, not what a price guide says the value is.

grote15 · April 21, 2012 5:04AM

Frankly, I don't understand why it would make one bit of difference to VCP where the "PSA 8" appears in your listing title. Isn't their software advanced enough to capture any auction for a card listed with "PSA" and a grade in the title? Also, I believe it is more natural and proper to say "PSA 8 1975 Topps #660 Aaron" rather than the other way around. Don't you say "I have a PSA 9 Jordan rookie" rather than "I have a Jordan rookie and it's graded PSA 9"?? Regardless, this really shouldn't be an issue for VCP, imo..

itzagoner · April 21, 2012 5:13AM

<< I guess I don't understand, how your collections could be losing value because VCP does not capture the sale.

First off, I am a paying customer of VCP, and I like the value I get for the price, I know it is not perfect, just like your listings are not captured, so are others who sell below the average. VCP is good for cards which trade often, it gives you the value. However, cards which don't trade often, the price is just a guide.

Your value of the collection is what someone else is willing to pay, not what a price guide says the value is. >>

correct.

lest we forget, there are countless transactions which take place in a private world away from price guides and websites.

who knows the amounts of money which are exchanged over these items?

therefore, VCP captures only a percentage anyways and we may never know just how accurate it is, even if every single eBay and auction house transaction were included.

gameusedhoop · April 21, 2012 5:22AM

Say you're selling a set or lot of cards, the buyer uses VCP and uses average sales price to base his bid. There are 100 cards in the lot and many of them have unrecorded sales that are new highs (like mine), his bid or offer is going to be much lower than it would be had the sales been recorded. You lose value, or the price someone else may be willing to pay.

BTW Bobby first asked me 6 months ago to change my listings, to which I said no, I much prefer to list them my way. They have record the sales up to now, but all of a sudden it is too much work and they will not do it unless I change. Guess they couldn't find a software solution in 6 months.

Yankees001 · April 21, 2012 6:01AM

<< 

<< I personally don't like the way you list your items. If I would go through your listings I would not notice the PSA grades. I always look in the middle and end of the heading.

It's Bobby's decision, untill someone else buys VCP.

Dave >>

You start looking at a title from the middle to the end and completely discount what is written first? lol >>

If I do a search for a 1979 Topps #116 Ozzie Smith, I know what the begining of the title says. Why bother looking at it?

I'm looking for the information that I did not put in the search. As they say, to each their own.

Dave

cardbender · April 21, 2012 6:20AM

I prefer listings like this too in my searches:

1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos PSA 8 AFL Set Break

It just makes sense to me, to know the year first, then the manufacturer of the card, then the
players name, card #, and finally the grade.

With the grade at the front, it doesn't flow the same way. I find a lot of new card sellers list this
way and it just doesn't look right to me either. Tough to teach an old guy like me new tricks I guess.
If you look at the vintage listings on ebay, I would estimate 90% of them are listed the way Bobby
at VCP prefers.

I hear you about VCP not capturing your results. It does seem odd that
the order of the grade of the item you're selling would have some sort impact
on the tracking of the card. Maybe Bobby's software is programmed in such a way
that it doesn't capture the grade first.

As far as having to start stuff at 99 cents with the grade first as a compromise, seems
lame.

Brick · April 21, 2012 6:39AM

If it ain't broke don't fix it. With the cards selling for record highs I would not change a thing.

grote15 · April 21, 2012 6:50AM

<< If it ain't broke don't fix it. With the cards selling for record highs I would not change a thing. >>

+1.

Maybe more sellers ought to follow your lead, LOL..

pdub1819 · April 21, 2012 7:41AM

I read the whole description. I would hope all of us do.

BobbyVCP · April 21, 2012 8:29AM

I find it funny how people edit messages to their advantage to make a person or company look bad.

I never said VCP would not capture the sale he just would not be part of our Want List system. We have adjusted our system recently so that if we ignore a listing on an auction and if it sells we still capture it in another section to be approved and adding to the data. We are doing this with sellers that are fishing with listings that are extremely higher then the going rate. As for the OP the way he lists his sales we capture it but it does not fill on our side because of the way he lists his title. It order for us to add them it is very time consuming because it is not automated. I tried giving him the heads up and would hope he would want to take advantage of more then 5,000 Want lists on our site now. But if he does not want to get notices out to potential customers that is certainly his choice.

I see it as a win win for both parties if he changes the title to a way we can capture and parse it better he gets more exposure to potential buyers.

swartz1 · April 21, 2012 8:39AM

Plenty of buyers do not use this aforementioned service, keep doing what you are doing...

Good Luck to you...

Jmhockey23 · April 21, 2012 8:54AM

It's funny how the company's handling of customer feedback makes the company look worse that then feedback itself.

otwcards · April 21, 2012 9:02AM

Much ado about nothing in my eyes. I'm assuming that the data will be captured, but after the auction/listing closes and as such, will not go into the notification portion of VCP's "Wantlist" section. While missing out on notifying potential buyers, I don't see how either the listing will be missed by those searching or the completed auction/sales data won't be collected and reported by VCP.

To me, this is more of either a misunderstanding or a pissing contest . . . not sure which and I really don't care.

Good luck on the sales.

KaKa · April 21, 2012 9:02AM

Wow. The service exists like any other company. It 'accepts' getting behind, then builds back up to what the customer base requires. Some of you little panzie whiners should simply shut up. Anyone one of you anywhere near building a service like this ? I don't even know what VCP is, but I gather it is historic card sales data. Something like that will indeed bring out the whiny babies at times. whaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh. Best of continued to success to the owner of this. Looks legit.

corvette1340 · April 21, 2012 9:44AM

I have been a paying customer of VCP for 2-3 years now and it's by far the best way to determine true market value of a card, not perfect, but the best available. As far as the OP's sales, good job, there are obviously people that still hit the BIN even if it is overpriced. I however, am not one of them, nor do even include BIN's in 99% of my searches.

Meatloaf · April 21, 2012 12:56PM

<< I have been a paying customer of VCP for 2-3 years now and it's by far the best way to determine true market value of a card, not perfect, but the best available. As far as the OP's sales, good job, there are obviously people that still hit the BIN even if it is overpriced. I however, am not one of them, nor do even include BIN's in 99% of my searches. >>

True market value? Are you serious? Thousands of cards are sold each day offline: shops, shows, craigslist, between friends, offline auctions, etc. VCP tracks none of that. True market value? Unreal. Bottom Line on any current market pricing: whatever a buyer is willing to pay and whatever a seller is willing to accept...and this is not done solely via ebay, online auction houses, or other internet marketplaces.

Best case VCP represents a 50% solution as a "guide" to current pricing for online retail sales. It does not predict future pricing and since it appears to weak in tracking, the "biblical" tone many on this board take with the service is ironic. Is VCP helpful? Sure. Is it the end all be all determining measure of pricing? Not by a long shot.....same with Beckett, SMR, etc. If you got the money and the desire as a buyer, you will pay what you are willing to pay to get what you want...and there are a ton of sellers online and offline ready to work with you... regardless of what VCP says a card has sold for in the past.

MrG · April 21, 2012 1:23PM

<< I find it funny how people edit messages to their advantage to make a person or company look bad. I never said VCP would not capture the sale he just would not be part of our Want List system. We have adjusted our system recently so that if we ignore a listing on an auction and if it sells we still capture it in another section to be approved and adding to the data. We are doing this with sellers that are fishing with listings that are extremely higher then the going rate. As for the OP the way he lists his sales we capture it but it does not fill on our side because of the way he lists his title. It order for us to add them it is very time consuming because it is not automated. I tried giving him the heads up and would hope he would want to take advantage of more then 5,000 Want lists on our site now. But if he does not want to get notices out to potential customers that is certainly his choice. >>

I find it frustrating that almost every time someone brings up VCP on these boards you (Bobby) take a defensive position. Even though this forum is free advertising to your site, instead of saying something like: "We understand, that while our current system is not perfect, we are improving the query strings of the system to capture as much information as possible of the title and description so that we can incorporate as much data and relevant information for the benefit of our customers into the VCP data. Thank you for your continued support of our system!", you are accusatory and defensive.

Shame on you!

Maybe you need a PR or Marketing person responding to these forums, or you should at least take the time to think about the consequences of your response.

JMO, MrG

thunderdan · April 21, 2012 1:32PM

VCP isn't perfect, but it's the best available resource available to get an idea of card value and trend. To me, it's been worth every penny.

Many love to criticize its accuracy, yet how often do we see "can I get VCP for card x" in here? Almost daily.

pdub1819 · April 21, 2012 1:39PM

At the Glendale show I was at today, a few of the dealers were even quoting VCP on the backs of the cards they had for sale.

sbtrailrider · April 21, 2012 2:06PM

First off - I like VCP. I get a method to find past sales history and review a scan of the card. There is variance within a grade that influences price, just as date of auction can relate to a sales spike or dip. Of course the service cannot show all transactions. I trust the service will grow its offerings over time and by giving feedback they will have a chance to prioritize program updates.

I work for a software company that has very strict controls regarding 3rd party integrations (meaning other company's software cannot access our databases without our management of the process). Given the volume of transactions on ebay I'm certain there are guidelines about data access and formatting. It is fair to say that having uniformity in an ebay listing should enhances data retrieval. We all experience this ourselves when we search for a card by name, year, graded or raw, grade value, set or lot, etc. and combinations of these options.

The want list notification is a service to the seeker as well as the seller. If the seller does not feel changing the listing format in order to publish his inventory to the want list will benefit his sales, so be it. It really shouldn't be anything more than his choice. It does reveal a gap in data collection for VCP, but I would hope most users would already assume sales data is incomplete anyway.

The point about changing the value of the market inventory might have some merit if all buyers had access to VCP (like a stock table in the newspaper) but even then we know buyers have unique needs and will adjust value accordingly. Does the printed SMR or Beckett's determine the value of a card? Why should VCP?

To the OP - I like your approach in setting a price you feel can be achieved, and you're willing not to make a sale when you overprice in exchange for a larger total for what is sold. Again, your business, your choice.

Publius · April 21, 2012 2:24PM

I hit the BIN on about 10 of the Fleers gameusedhoop had listed a few days ago. 62 Fleer is a tough set to build, not once did I "refer " to vcp for pricing, if I liked the look of the card and the price seemed in line, I bought it. If the price seemed high, or I didn't like the card, I moved on. Vcp is a guide, a reference for pricing, not a bible. do I think it captures all sales, no. Do I think some PSA 8 cards are nicer than others, therefore the prices may be different, yep.

I agree with Vcp, cards should be listed like this, 1977 Topps #177 Steve Largent PSA 10. HOF RC, etc. I prefer it that way, but if I want a card, I'll find it no matter how you have it listed. Keep on keepin' on Hoop.

Agree that it seems Bobby is constantly stepping on his dong when it comes to message board and his disposition. I dig vcp, but dude, we are your customers, take a lighter approach when it comes to chastising us. People speak with their checkbooks.

corvette1340 · April 21, 2012 8:58PM

<< 

<< I have been a paying customer of VCP for 2-3 years now and it's by far the best way to determine true market value of a card, not perfect, but the best available. As far as the OP's sales, good job, there are obviously people that still hit the BIN even if it is overpriced. I however, am not one of them, nor do even include BIN's in 99% of my searches. >>

True market value? Are you serious? Thousands of cards are sold each day offline: shops, shows, craigslist, between friends, offline auctions, etc. VCP tracks none of that. True market value? Unreal. Bottom Line on any current market pricing: whatever a buyer is willing to pay and whatever a seller is willing to accept...and this is not done solely via ebay, online auction houses, or other internet marketplaces.

Best case VCP represents a 50% solution as a "guide" to current pricing for online retail sales. It does not predict future pricing and since it appears to weak in tracking, the "biblical" tone many on this board take with the service is ironic. Is VCP helpful? Sure. Is it the end all be all determining measure of pricing? Not by a long shot.....same with Beckett, SMR, etc. If you got the money and the desire as a buyer, you will pay what you are willing to pay to get what you want...and there are a ton of sellers online and offline ready to work with you... regardless of what VCP says a card has sold for in the past. >>

Says the guy that had 2 Durant Rookie autos priced almost double what the last dozen or so that sold on eBay brought. Nobody goes by the "market value" in your world sir.

corvette1340 · April 21, 2012 9:03PM

By the way, I see that you still have those, shocking. You have the 2007-2008 SPX Super Scripts Durant BGS 9.5 priced at $599. It is a $200-$225 card. I got mine for $185.

swartz1 · April 21, 2012 9:11PM

<< 
Agree that it seems Bobby is constantly stepping on his dong when it comes to message board and his disposition. I dig vcp, but dude, we are your customers, take a lighter approach when it comes to chastising us. People speak with their checkbooks. >>

This is correct...

I am not a customer and will never be because of this statement^^^

nightcrawler · April 21, 2012 9:25PM

Hey baby, what say you and me go kill all the humans?

Meatloaf · April 21, 2012 9:52PM

<< By the way, I see that you still have those, shocking. You have the 2007-2008 SPX Super Scripts Durant BGS 9.5 priced at $599. It is a $200-$225 card. I got mine for $185. >>

Congrats! I sold a PSA 9 version at a show yesterday for $325, so according to your VCP bible, the difference pays for the fees of having those two cards up on Ebay for the next 190 years. I wonder if the VCP value will drop for him like Kevin Mass?

gameusedhoop · April 21, 2012 9:57PM

This Durant guy does not exist in the VCP world.

BTW I'm sorry if I read Bobby 's email wrong saying they won't record my sales, but the way it was written I truly thought that VCP wanted no involvement in my listings. Here is the email cut and pasted:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Because of the way you list your auctions we are unable to parse it
making our work that much harder in order to carry your item on VCP and
send out email
alert to over 5,000 Want List members. If you had .99 cent listing we
would go the extra mile and enter them but since most of your starting
prices are more then
double the value of the card we show it is not worth the time and
effort. If you change you listing title to a format we can easily parse
then we will carry you items again
in the future.

Here is an example of your listing:

PSA 8 1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos AFL Set Break

Just change it to:
1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos PSA 8 AFL Set Break

Hope you are willing to make the change so we can include you in our system.

Regards,

Bobby
VCP

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is the 1st reason I thought it meant all activity woud be discontinued:

"in order to carry your item on VCP and
send out email
alert to over 5,000 Want List members"

Seeing where he specifically mentions the wantlist service and "carry your item on VCP" seperately, I understood this to mean that both would be ceasing.

Also:
"it is not worth the time and
effort. If you change you listing title to a format we can easily parse
then we will carry you items again
in the future."

Once again, I thought "carry you items again in the future" refered to compiling my sales data, not just the Wantlist service.

And who are you to judge a seller's prices? Are you trying manipulate the market? And, as I stated from the get go, this statement is false, as the value of a card is not the selling price of the last one. True, many of them had minimum bids above the last sale, but NOT ONE was double any past sale price. In fact most starting bids were below a past sale, and the Buy it Now price may have been slighly above a past sale price, but I do also offer FREE shipping too.

"but since most of your starting
prices are more then
double the value of the card"

The value of the card is set by the buyer of the item, not the data compilation service.

And since Bobby never answered the question posed on the 1st page, would it be a solution if I was to list it thusly?

PSA 8 1962 Fleer Jim Stinnette #42 Denver Broncos PSA 8 AFL Set Break

And BTW: Thank you to all that have purchased my items, both currently and in the past. It seems that people who are truly interested in buying items can find them without a wantlist service.

Brick · April 21, 2012 10:41PM

"it is not worth the time and
effort. If you change you listing title to a format we can easily parse
then we will carry you items again
in the future."

Ouch
While that statement may be true you don't say it outloud to a customer unless you want him to be a former customer.

Jmhockey23 · April 21, 2012 11:02PM

<< "it is not worth the time and
effort. If you change you listing title to a format we can easily parse
then we will carry you items again
in the future."

Ouch
While that statement may be true you don't say it outloud to a customer unless you want him to be a former customer. >>

I say more sellers start listing like he is with "PSA 8" first and let bobby go parse himself. I have been very turned off my bobby's attitude on these boards.

CDsNuts · April 21, 2012 11:17PM

I say more sellers start listing like he is with "PSA 8" first and let bobby go parse himself.

Motherparsing right!

thunderdan · April 22, 2012 12:03AM

these pretzels are making me thirsty...

nam812 · April 22, 2012 12:07AM

Nice to see so many people finally get what a dick Bobby is. I got tired of repeating myself all those years ago.

earlycalguy · April 22, 2012 12:14AM

Good public relations has never been a strong point of VCP. it's a nice service but Bobby really needs to get on board with how he presents himself...At least in the message boards I've seen him post on.

itzagoner · April 22, 2012 12:33AM

poor Bobby.

i bet the first thing he does today after reading these attacks, will be to cry liquid despair into his Kona coffee.

then he may just go spend the whole day putzing around the Pacific Ocean looking for dinner.

jeffcbay · April 22, 2012 1:02AM

All I see is a bunch of non-conformist pansies who get their poor wittle feelings hurt when a business man decided to run his business the way he wants to, and defends his right to do that. Why should he pander to the unorganized mob? Who cares if he's a jerk? There is certainly no shortage of jerks on this board.

VCP should be treated like any other Price Guide... it's a GUIDE! Nobody is saying VCP is a bible, it's just a guide like everything else. It just happens to be one of the more accurate guides for ONLINE sales. Use it, or don't use it. Nobody cares. Just stop crying!

otwcards · April 22, 2012 1:48AM

VCP is, like other pricing instruments, a tool. A tool to help establish a pricing range based on recorded transactions. The key word is RECORDED. Many transactions are not recorded. Several auction houses have made their hammer prices unavailable unless VCP wishes to go through the closed auctions and manually enter the data and as a general rule, it appears that they have no interest in doing such. Private sales and show sales are not recorded. What this means is that VCP primarily records eBay transactions and a few auction houses that still allow their final prices to be captured. That is NOT the majority of the marketplace despite the fact that many assume eBay is the end-all for sportscard sales.

When using VCP, there are many that use it in the same incorrect manner that they use SMR and Beckett. Seeing a price does not necessarily reflect the true value of an item or the price that should be expected to be realized, especially in thinner trading markets.

As I said, VCP is a tool and when used properly, is a great resource to help establish baselines for many items and/or identify thinly traded items that may have more significant pricing spikes. To quote it as gospel and to justify it as a buying or selling point is oft times foolish.

Sadly, Bobby has continued to demonstrate that his interpersonal Internet skills are far from congenial. He is continually on the defensive or immediately assumes a defensive posture and his communications are always one-sided and wreak of insult and condemnation. However, VCP is his baby and he seems to have little concern about how others perceive him, otherwise, I think we would've seen a change in his demeanor over the years. I can be an azz of similar proportions, but at least, at times, I understand the concept of humility...

WinPitcher · April 22, 2012 2:09AM

Like me, Bobby is misunderstood.

BobbyVCP · April 22, 2012 3:00AM

In regards to gameused I sent him this email on 10/21/11

Steve,

I am asking a huge favor of you if you can please make you listing on eBay a little different. You always start it off as for example:

PSA 6 1951 Topps Magic Gil Bartosh #27 TCU Horned Frogs EX-MT Set Break

Can you move the PSA 6 part to be here?

1951 Topps Magic Gil Bartosh #27 TCU Horned Frogs PSA 6 EX-MT Set Break

This way our system will pick it up a lot easier and save a lot of time for us.

Appreciate anything you can do for us.

Aloha,

Bobby
VCP

His response was basically to tell me to F#&K off because he was paying for the listing on eBay and was going to list it anyway he wants. So what I got from him is he is not a very nice person to deal with and looking at my original email really do not think it could of been asked in a more congenial manner. After all I am not asking him to do anything really out of the norm that the other 1000's of eBay sellers are already doing.

So after being slammed in work doing my data entry came across some of his listing and checked a few of his starting prices and they where all higher priced then any recorded sales over the past few years or ever and more then double of what VCP had for the average value. When we do our listing verification there are 5 key components to consider first sport, Set, card, grader and grade. When there are 2 missing it is quick and easy to fix but the way Steve lists it is missing 4 points so to add his 40 cards or so takes about a minute each, if listed properly should take a brief second to check his listing for a qualifier only.

My second letter to Steve was stated the way it was because he refused to help out at all the first time around. So for me why should I help this guy with his sales and to make him more money when he refused to help me? I know that not all his cards are going to sell so basically it will be less work for me later to enter the ones that do sell.

Sorry if any of you still feel that I am an $%&@ but that just is not the case, I may be a little rough around the edges but will go the extra mile to help out a member. But I guess you all think that poor Steve is such a nice person to deal with then that is fine as well, I wish I could of experienced that the first time around.

CW · April 22, 2012 3:34AM

Bobby, as already suggested, would this format work??

PSA 6 1951 Topps Magic Gil Bartosh #27 TCU Horned Frogs PSA 6 EX-MT Set Break

...or would that listing also have to be modified and take the time to add?

handyman · April 22, 2012 3:36AM

Its been a great company for me but I too have been frustrated with many sales not being recorded. I have been a member for 2+ years but i canceld my account today. I think Im going to take a break from it. May come back but I want to see how I handle it without them for a while now. Been a great tool but 150.00 a year is more than PSA cost and they come with a free SMR. Gona stick with that and ebays past month sales.
Dont mean to be a negative on here but I too have been frustrated with the numbers lately.

gameusedhoop · April 22, 2012 4:24AM

For the 3rd time Bobby has ignored answering the question posed by CW.

That aside, here was my exact answer to Bobby back in October, not exactly the the way Bobby puts it: "His response was basically to tell me to F#&K off because he was paying for the listing on eBay and was going to list it anyway he wants"

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Bobby, sorry but I find with ebay's new extended title the PSA grade is
hidden when it is not in the lead. They give you 80 characters and it has to
be in the first 50 or so to show up without "hovering". I'm sorry it
confuses your system, but it confuses my customers when it isn't readily
viewable. I also don't want to move it into the middle and have it get lost
in the information jungle either.

My buyers are buying by the numeric grade, not the team name or any other
extra key words. It is the grade that is selling the item, so I am going to
keep it in the lead until ebay shows the full title without hovering or
clicking. Sorry for the inconvienence but my sales and customers are my
first concern, STEVE (gameusedhoop).

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VCP no longer tracks my ebay sales....your collections could be losing &quot;value&quot;

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VCP no longer tracks my ebay sales....your collections could be losing "value"