<< <i>For the record, all 5 of the issues in the listing that was done properly were also in the lot of 24 that were listed by the professional. >>
Craig, I dont have a dog in this race, but in the two listings for SMRs, one was a 99 cent auction, the 2nd was a $20 BIN. If the 5 lot $20 BIN had been run as a 99 cent auction, would that lot have done as poorly as yours? Would it have even attracted the opening 99 cent bid?
He wanted each SMR to be listed individually. At 99 cents to start very few would have even received an opening bid, with or without the subject on the cover spelled correctly. If it sold for 99 cents then the net sales price after all Ebay and PayPal fees is 12 cents. At the 90/10 split Gumby gets 11 cents and the auction house gets 1 cent.
If you started them off a safe 9.99 for the consignor, and they sell for 9.99, the net sale price is 8.04 with Gumby getting 7.24 and the auction house getting 80 cents. But when you figure almost none would get any bids at that level somebody has to be pay for all those 25 cent listing fees for the no sales.
<< <i>In this case the horse keeps getting up and asking for 27 cents. >>
I think you using manipulative accounting straw man is the bigger dead horse being beaten. How many times will you use "It's only $.27" while completely ignoring the accumulative numbers and all the other listing complaints?
I think gumbyfan has a very legitimate point about the Paypal fee....... but that's pretty damn funny anyway.
'Sir, I realize it's been difficult for you to sleep at night without your EX/MT 1977 Topps Tom Seaver, but I swear to you that you'll get it safe and sound.' -CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
I completely understand Gumpy's point about the 30 cents. Just thinking about what a nightmare on would be to do the accounting on the consignor's side, particularly with the volume.
At first my thinking was the .30 fee per item is gouging for no real reason other than to pad the pocket. Then after thinking about it I concluded that the .30 fee per item was meant as a deterrent for someone to, say, send probstein a dozen near worthless magazines and ask that they be listed individually. It's actually pretty smart, but it should be at least .50 and he should be as upfront as possible about it so he doesn't need to deal with situations such as this. Had Craig known about the fee, I'm fairly certain he would have come to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it to consign them and he would've only sent his $10+ stuff. If I were in the business of not wanting to sell $6 items, I would set up a system in which it was not worth it for people to send me $6 items to be listed individually and be obnoxiously upfront about those policies so said people would not send me said items to sell for them. I personally love selling $6 items because they fly off the shelves in this economy, but you have to do BIN's and be somewhat patient while building a big inventory for people to sift through.
Listing the SMR's individually at $5 BIN's would have been the only real way to get anything out of them, and even then it would've taken some time.
Rick is a stright up guy with nothing to hide. He helps out those who need help with listing on ebay. Gumbyfan has provided enough info to me that suggests that he doesnt need this source other than to gripe about. I also think it was nitpicking. And by not asking certain questions before you sent a rather large order its really your own fault for not doing the reaserach or asking questions that may concern you later. Next time list this kind of stuff on your own. With all the time you spent on sending Rick the items why not next time use it to list them yourself. I know by using Rick you wont have to deal with emails from potential bidders but after hearing what your complaints/demands were man that seems worse. I feel for Rick on this one. Hope it doesnt scare him away.
Rick is a stright up guy with nothing to hide. He helps out those who need help with listing on ebay. Gumbyfan has provided enough info to me that suggests that he doesnt need this source other than to gripe about. I also think it was nitpicking. And by not asking certain questions before you sent a rather large order its really your own fault for not doing the reaserach or asking questions that may concern you later. Next time list this kind of stuff on your own. With all the time you spent on sending Rick the items why not next time use it to list them yourself. I know by using Rick you wont have to deal with emails from potential bidders but after hearing what your complaints/demands were man that seems worse. I feel for Rick on this one. Hope it doesnt scare him away. >>
Helps out? You make him out to be some martyr. The guy is not ending world hunger, he's running a business that makes him money. Why is he not allowed to be criticized for questionable listing practices and phantom fees when he makes his living selling things for people. If ANYONE should be open to criticism, it's a consignor. They aren't playing around with their own items/money.
<< <i>Rick is a stand up guy. If you have an issue call or ask him. >>
I don't doubt that he's a stand-up guy. Not at all. That's not what's being discussed in this thread. You can be the nicest person in the world and still be criticized for the way you handle your business. I don't have any issues with the guy personally because I sell my own things. I just find it amusing that someone had some real issues with the guy and so many simply discount it because he's on the boards and he's a good guy. As if that alone makes what happened to Gumby okay.
<< <i>Sorry Im getting lost in this thread. What are the real issues again? Has Rick not answerd? He did and I agree with him. >>
Actually, no, he didn't answer. He didn't address the numerous mistakes or incorrectly listed items. He didn't address the lot of inserts that was listed as lot instead of singles and then was listed in a way that didn't even itemize the cards in the lot. The scan included in that auction covered up nearly all of the cards, showing only the labels on them.
The real issues? Dozens of items listed incorrectly. Well over a hundred $0.30 Paypal fees charged that shouldn't have been.
Bottom line: Potentially a couple hundred bucks lost by Gumbyfan as a result.
This is not a healthy form. I can see the issue with the .30 cent deal but I also see it as a stamp on listing an item with a consignor. Lets just tear each other apart. Starting now!!
What some of you guys are failing to realize is that the 30 cents is a PER ITEM cost, end of discussion.
If you don't like it or feel it's not right for the guy that's doing all of the listing, packing, communication, etc..., etc...to make that 30 cents per item even if the same person buys several auctions and combines shipping, then don't consign!
I'm like Lee on this one. I'd advertise a $2 per item fee on all of the little rinky dink stuff and deter anyone from sending it.
If it's that big of a deal, I'm sure Gumby could have discretely pm'd Rick about the fees he thought were hidden and they could have reached a mutual agreement regardless of how he says the pm's were handled.
<< <i>What some of you guys are failing to realize is that the 30 cents is a PER ITEM cost, end of discussion.
If you don't like it or feel it's not right for the guy that's doing all of the listing, packing, communication, etc..., etc...to make that 30 cents per item even if the same person buys several auctions and combines shipping, then don't consign!
I'm like Lee on this one. I'd advertise a $2 per item fee on all of the little rinky dink stuff and deter anyone from sending it.
If it's that big of a deal, I'm sure Gumby could have discretely pm'd Rick about the fees he thought were hidden and they could have reached a mutual agreement regardless of how he says the pm's were handled. >>
Tommy, you're like the blonde that walks into a movie 15 minutes in and annoys the rest of the viewers with impertinent thoughts and requests for cliff notes.
The 30 cents is a fee that Paypal charges PER TRANSACTION, not PER ITEM. Get out your crayons and write that down a few times and maybe it'll stick.
As for how I should have "discretely pm'd Rick", I already noted his response to my inquiry. Here's your cliff notes on his response, again, "==> we charge this per item....."
<< <i>At first my thinking was the .30 fee per item is gouging for no real reason other than to pad the pocket. Then after thinking about it I concluded that the .30 fee per item was meant as a deterrent for someone to, say, send probstein a dozen near worthless magazines and ask that they be listed individually. It's actually pretty smart, but it should be at least .50 and he should be as upfront as possible about it so he doesn't need to deal with situations such as this. Had Craig known about the fee, I'm fairly certain he would have come to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it to consign them and he would've only sent his $10+ stuff. If I were in the business of not wanting to sell $6 items, I would set up a system in which it was not worth it for people to send me $6 items to be listed individually and be obnoxiously upfront about those policies so said people would not send me said items to sell for them. I personally love selling $6 items because they fly off the shelves in this economy, but you have to do BIN's and be somewhat patient while building a big inventory for people to sift through.
Listing the SMR's individually at $5 BIN's would have been the only real way to get anything out of them, and even then it would've taken some time.
Lee >>
Lee is absolutely correct about what I would have done if I would have known that Rick underquotes the fees he charges and then over charges after the fact.
I figured that by sending the stuff to Rick to sell for me that he would get more eyeballs than I would. Turns out that sometimes if you want something done right, you just need to do it yourself. I spent $11 to ship the books to him and got back a whopping $0.75. Not the best deal I've ever done.
<< <i>Sad thread. Why are you trying to bash his name? >>
I've done nothing more than share my experiences. If you see that as me "trying to bash his name" then I'm guessing the experience wasn't too positive. For all of the free advertising the guy gets around here, I figured it was only right to share the other side of that coin.
If a handful of people want to continue to reply trying to make me out to be unreasonable, I will be more than happy to reply to them. They clearly want to keep this on the top, so why not help them?
It's for you to determine where you stand in this sad thread.
I've never said Rick's a bad guy. He's a great guy. Just ask him.
You kind of are trying to burn his name. Seems like nitpicking to me. How can you justify your thread with a past sale of a SMR!!!! An SMR!!!!! Free to anyone on here. Just seems crazy to bitc about. If I got .01 for an SMR that I got for free Id be happy. You seem to want the world from everyone. Sad thread.
You are being to harsh on Gumbyfan. He brought forward some legitimate examples of some short cumming's in Rick's business model. There are countless board members who have had great dealings with Rick both on the buy side and the sell side.
I think if anything this should be used to improve his business. This one situation is not going to cause his business to decline and it is natural for a high volume operation to either make mistakes or have a few poor customer experiences.
Taking the feedback to heart and making sure it does not happen again going forward is the best thing Rick can do.
<< <i>If anyone on here wants to list my empty beer cans 1 by one on ebay for free Ill let them. They are yours.... But you have to pay shiping to you...... >>
Beer cans that can and have sold for $5 to $20 each? I'l take 'em. lol
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<< <i>For the record, all 5 of the issues in the listing that was done properly were also in the lot of 24 that were listed by the professional. >>
Craig, I dont have a dog in this race, but in the two listings for SMRs, one was a 99 cent auction, the 2nd was a $20 BIN. If the 5 lot $20 BIN had been run as a 99 cent auction, would that lot have done as poorly as yours? Would it have even attracted the opening 99 cent bid?
<< <i>Let's continue to focus on 30 cent hidden fees that aren't even hidden while completely dismissing an admission of fraud.
Priorities. >>
PWCC repented. Matthew 6:14-15.
If you started them off a safe 9.99 for the consignor, and they sell for 9.99, the net sale price is 8.04 with Gumby getting 7.24 and the auction house getting 80 cents. But when you figure almost none would get any bids at that level somebody has to be pay for all those 25 cent listing fees for the no sales.
<< <i>In this case the horse keeps getting up and asking for 27 cents. >>
You like a forensic accountant. Very nimble with numbers.
<< <i>In this case the horse keeps getting up and asking for 27 cents. >>
I think you using manipulative accounting straw man is the bigger dead horse being beaten. How many times will you use "It's only $.27" while completely ignoring the accumulative numbers and all the other listing complaints?
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Pokey looks like he needs a vet
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I think gumbyfan has a very legitimate point about the Paypal fee....... but that's pretty damn funny anyway.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
hmmm. that sounded kinda odd after i typed it. meh. what-the-heck.
I completely understand Gumpy's point about the 30 cents. Just thinking about what a nightmare on would be to do the accounting on the consignor's side, particularly with
the volume.
Listing the SMR's individually at $5 BIN's would have been the only real way to get anything out of them, and even then it would've taken some time.
Lee
Rick is a stright up guy with nothing to hide. He helps out those who need help with listing on ebay. Gumbyfan has provided enough info to me that suggests that he doesnt need this source other than to gripe about. I also think it was nitpicking. And by not asking certain questions before you sent a rather large order its really your own fault for not doing the reaserach or asking questions that may concern you later. Next time list this kind of stuff on your own. With all the time you spent on sending Rick the items why not next time use it to list them yourself. I know by using Rick you wont have to deal with emails from potential bidders but after hearing what your complaints/demands were man that seems worse.
I feel for Rick on this one. Hope it doesnt scare him away.
<< <i>+1
Rick is a stright up guy with nothing to hide. He helps out those who need help with listing on ebay. Gumbyfan has provided enough info to me that suggests that he doesnt need this source other than to gripe about. I also think it was nitpicking. And by not asking certain questions before you sent a rather large order its really your own fault for not doing the reaserach or asking questions that may concern you later. Next time list this kind of stuff on your own. With all the time you spent on sending Rick the items why not next time use it to list them yourself. I know by using Rick you wont have to deal with emails from potential bidders but after hearing what your complaints/demands were man that seems worse.
I feel for Rick on this one. Hope it doesnt scare him away. >>
Helps out? You make him out to be some martyr. The guy is not ending world hunger, he's running a business that makes him money. Why is he not allowed to be criticized for questionable listing practices and phantom fees when he makes his living selling things for people. If ANYONE should be open to criticism, it's a consignor. They aren't playing around with their own items/money.
<< <i>Rick is a stand up guy. If you have an issue call or ask him. >>
I don't doubt that he's a stand-up guy. Not at all. That's not what's being discussed in this thread. You can be the nicest person in the world and still be criticized for the way you handle your business. I don't have any issues with the guy personally because I sell my own things. I just find it amusing that someone had some real issues with the guy and so many simply discount it because he's on the boards and he's a good guy. As if that alone makes what happened to Gumby okay.
Has Rick not answerd? He did and I agree with him.
<< <i>Sorry Im getting lost in this thread. What are the real issues again?
Has Rick not answerd? He did and I agree with him. >>
Actually, no, he didn't answer. He didn't address the numerous mistakes or incorrectly listed items. He didn't address the lot of inserts that was listed as lot instead of singles and then was listed in a way that didn't even itemize the cards in the lot. The scan included in that auction covered up nearly all of the cards, showing only the labels on them.
The real issues? Dozens of items listed incorrectly. Well over a hundred $0.30 Paypal fees charged that shouldn't have been.
Bottom line: Potentially a couple hundred bucks lost by Gumbyfan as a result.
Tabe
I can see the issue with the .30 cent deal but I also see it as a stamp on listing an item with a consignor.
Lets just tear each other apart.
Starting now!!
If you don't like it or feel it's not right for the guy that's doing all of the listing, packing, communication, etc..., etc...to make that 30 cents per item even if the same person buys several auctions and combines shipping, then don't consign!
I'm like Lee on this one. I'd advertise a $2 per item fee on all of the little rinky dink stuff and deter anyone from sending it.
If it's that big of a deal, I'm sure Gumby could have discretely pm'd Rick about the fees he thought were hidden and they could have reached a mutual agreement regardless of how he says the pm's were handled.
<< <i>What some of you guys are failing to realize is that the 30 cents is a PER ITEM cost, end of discussion.
If you don't like it or feel it's not right for the guy that's doing all of the listing, packing, communication, etc..., etc...to make that 30 cents per item even if the same person buys several auctions and combines shipping, then don't consign!
I'm like Lee on this one. I'd advertise a $2 per item fee on all of the little rinky dink stuff and deter anyone from sending it.
If it's that big of a deal, I'm sure Gumby could have discretely pm'd Rick about the fees he thought were hidden and they could have reached a mutual agreement regardless of how he says the pm's were handled. >>
Tommy, you're like the blonde that walks into a movie 15 minutes in and annoys the rest of the viewers with impertinent thoughts and requests for cliff notes.
The 30 cents is a fee that Paypal charges PER TRANSACTION, not PER ITEM. Get out your crayons and write that down a few times and maybe it'll stick.
As for how I should have "discretely pm'd Rick", I already noted his response to my inquiry. Here's your cliff notes on his response, again, "==> we charge this per item....."
Now shut up and watch the movie.
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"$0.27 x 144" would be more accurate.
<< <i>At first my thinking was the .30 fee per item is gouging for no real reason other than to pad the pocket. Then after thinking about it I concluded that the .30 fee per item was meant as a deterrent for someone to, say, send probstein a dozen near worthless magazines and ask that they be listed individually. It's actually pretty smart, but it should be at least .50 and he should be as upfront as possible about it so he doesn't need to deal with situations such as this. Had Craig known about the fee, I'm fairly certain he would have come to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it to consign them and he would've only sent his $10+ stuff. If I were in the business of not wanting to sell $6 items, I would set up a system in which it was not worth it for people to send me $6 items to be listed individually and be obnoxiously upfront about those policies so said people would not send me said items to sell for them. I personally love selling $6 items because they fly off the shelves in this economy, but you have to do BIN's and be somewhat patient while building a big inventory for people to sift through.
Listing the SMR's individually at $5 BIN's would have been the only real way to get anything out of them, and even then it would've taken some time.
Lee >>
Lee is absolutely correct about what I would have done if I would have known that Rick underquotes the fees he charges and then over charges after the fact.
I figured that by sending the stuff to Rick to sell for me that he would get more eyeballs than I would. Turns out that sometimes if you want something done right, you just need to do it yourself. I spent $11 to ship the books to him and got back a whopping $0.75. Not the best deal I've ever done.
<< <i>Sad thread. Why are you trying to bash his name? >>
I've done nothing more than share my experiences. If you see that as me "trying to bash his name" then I'm guessing the experience wasn't too positive. For all of the free advertising the guy gets around here, I figured it was only right to share the other side of that coin.
If a handful of people want to continue to reply trying to make me out to be unreasonable, I will be more than happy to reply to them. They clearly want to keep this on the top, so why not help them?
It's for you to determine where you stand in this sad thread.
I've never said Rick's a bad guy. He's a great guy. Just ask him.
Sad thread.
I think if anything this should be used to improve his business. This one situation is not going to cause his business to decline and it is natural for a high volume operation to either make mistakes or have a few poor customer experiences.
Taking the feedback to heart and making sure it does not happen again going forward is the best thing Rick can do.
<< <i>Rick is a great guy and Im feel sorry that he had to deal with this. >>
Yes we know how much you love St. Rick!
They are yours.... But you have to pay shiping to you......
<< <i>If anyone on here wants to list my empty beer cans 1 by one on ebay for free Ill let them.
They are yours.... But you have to pay shiping to you...... >>
Beer cans that can and have sold for $5 to $20 each? I'l take 'em. lol
<< <i>Rick is a great guy and Im feel sorry that he had to deal with this. >>
We are all well aware of your feelings for Rick.
Here I am, the one that you love
Asking for another day...
Understand the one that you love
Loves you in so many ways.