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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still waiting for your reply. Yes you replied to my last PM but you never answered the questions I had. CONTACT ME. It does look you are stealing 500.00 from me right now.
    Im serious!
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    also saw you were loged in this morning. 2 pms sent now.
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man that was so funny.

    Still waiting for a reply and please answer the questions I sent!
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
    What did yesterday's PM say? "The card is in the mail?"
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I asked if he had the recipt
    He said hed look.
    Also askded for a phone number and other questions.
  • 1980scollector1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Let's hold off on the jokes until after this gets resolved. If it was for couple bucks, sure, but we're talking about $500.


    if it were anyone else I would agree, but handyman is the same guy that took TWO MONTHS to email cards out to a board member with his excuse being that he moved to Sweden. It's actually pretty funny that he would come here and complain after not receiving a card after 2 weeks. >>



    CD- This is a joke, right?


    It could take Hank a few weeks to get to Sweeden.
    ** Working on the following sets-2013 Spectra Football Hall of Fame 50th Anniversary Autograph set, 2015 Spectra Football Illustrious Legends Autograph set, 2014-15 Hall of Fame Heroes autograph set. **
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Handy:

    While I can understand your concern about not having the card in hand and not getting answers as quickly as you want them, even if someone logs on, it doesn't mean they've read their PM's or are willing to respond to them. Just because you post about this hourly in multiple threads, doesn't mean the USPS is going to accelerate their mail delivery and add people to work on Sunday to get you your package. If the seller didn't send or didn't respond, so be it. If you've been taken, so be it. But this incredible insistence for responses and posting them over and over won't make things happen any more quickly.

    Personally, I've made the conscious decision to NEVER deal with you based upon this. While I would certainly use SC and DC and dot all of my i's and cross all of my t's, I would be leery that any postal delay would cause you to question my intentions or character. That doesn't make you a bad person, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one that now feels this way. I wish you could see that your attempts to "solve" this matter and your current desire for answers that may not be forthcoming is only hurting you in the long run...
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The sidelines agree with the previous post.




    Good for you.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that something is clear to me with respect to the B/S/T forum and transactions.

    Perhaps anything over 100 bucks or so - the transaction should include the exchange of cell phones for contact purposes.

    I do understand the angst since 500 bucks is major but anything could be going on here?

    But - if I were the seller - at this point - would probably not respond in the open - perhaps he procrastinated and feels bad and is finding it hard to respond? Who knows?

    For that matter - I promised a set of cards to CPAMike and still haven't sent it out - my bad - and this thread reminded me of it.

    Sorry Mike.
    Mike
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Paypal already has a system in place for all of this, it's called an "invoice".

    It protects both the buyer and the seller, and is well worth it IMO. >>

    I don't sell - if an invoice is created - aren't there fees? And how much?
    Mike
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The sidelines agree with the previous post. >>

    Hi Steve.
    Mike


  • << <i>Paypal already has a system in place for all of this, it's called an "invoice".

    It protects both the buyer and the seller, and is well worth it IMO. >>




    For a sale of a card valued at $500 I think this insurance would be worth it
  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭
    Nothing wrong here with putting a little pressure on the seller...

    that is all that is going on...

    everything else is fluff...


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  • Sorry but something just doesn't smell right. For the seller to not use DC for a $500 item is problem number one. Not adding insurance in just plain stupid. All this does is set up a he said/he said situation. Neither one can prove he sent it or the other one got it. Plus the arguement about someone not feeling like answering pm's doesn't hold water. Everytime I come on the boards I check to see if the icon is flashing. It makes it seem like the seller is ducking this guy.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry but something just doesn't smell right. For the seller to not use DC for a $500 item is problem number one. Not adding insurance in just plain stupid. All this does is set up a he said/he said situation. Neither one can prove he sent it or the other one got it. Plus the arguement about someone not feeling like answering pm's doesn't hold water. Everytime I come on the boards I check to see if the icon is flashing. It makes it seem like the seller is ducking this guy. >>

    Hi Steve.

    I've got too much time on my hands - I'm stuck in the bed with a bad cold - and time to think. I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    But the point about no insurance/DC or whatever is quite compelling.

    I remember there used to be a member here who had more "Lost" mail than anyone on the planet and I know for a fact he screwed a friend of mine who is immensely reputable - who sent him a small set worth about 600 bucks on approval - and he said he never got it!

    Am I too trusting? I don't know.

    edit: and yes - I too check pm's first before reading the forum out of courtesy.
    Mike
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>and yes - I too check pm's first before reading the forum out of courtesy. >>


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    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.


  • << <i>

    << <i>Sorry but something just doesn't smell right. For the seller to not use DC for a $500 item is problem number one. Not adding insurance in just plain stupid. All this does is set up a he said/he said situation. Neither one can prove he sent it or the other one got it. Plus the arguement about someone not feeling like answering pm's doesn't hold water. Everytime I come on the boards I check to see if the icon is flashing. It makes it seem like the seller is ducking this guy. >>

    Hi Steve.

    I've got too much time on my hands - I'm stuck in the bed with a bad cold - and time to think. I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

    But the point about no insurance/DC or whatever is quite compelling.

    I remember there used to be a member here who had more "Lost" mail than anyone on the planet and I know for a fact he screwed a friend of mine who is immensely reputable - who sent him a small set worth about 600 bucks on approval - and he said he never got it!

    Am I too trusting? I don't know.

    edit: and yes - I too check pm's first before reading the forum out of courtesy. >>



    First of all I hope you feel better. Colds suck!
    I guess I trust no one that I don't know. Setting up a $500 transaction with a stranger is risky enough. To have the seller not take simple precautions seems odd. The seller could at least send him a scan or a pic of the post office receipt if he mailed it over the counter, or from a APC.
  • bvcbvc Posts: 100 ✭✭
    The un-graded card in the first post looks awfully similar to this PSA 4 Aaron, which I won on ebay last week and currently have in my possession.

    PSA 4 Aaron

    EDIT: never mind. upon closer inspection I don't think it's the same one. Centering seems better on mine? Why I thought they might be the same card was because of those 2 white scuff marks on the right side of the card. Are those scuffs common on this card?
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The un-graded card in the first post looks awfully similar to this PSA 4 Aaron, which I won on ebay last week and currently have in my possession.

    PSA 4 Aaron

    EDIT: never mind. upon closer inspection I don't think it's the same one. Centering seems better on mine? Why I thought they might be the same card was because of those 2 white scuff marks on the right side of the card. Are those scuffs common on this card? >>



    Yeah, it's definitely not the same card. The lines on the right side are not in the same spot.
  • I am floored that the seller, who someone said also sells on Ebay would send a $500 card without DC. Was it sent loose in a PWE too? I am in no way accusing the buyer of this, but doesn't that just open yourself up to the buyer saying he never received it? I would look at it as protection for both seller and buyer. Let's see, seller gets $500 for ungraded card, pays no Paypal fees, but can't spend the $.19 for DC. I'm calling BS here. I hope the OP gets his card, but I'm sensing scam.
    From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo.
    ~WalterSobchak
  • TonyCTonyC Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭
    NEVER, NEVER, NEVER complete a Paypal transaction via gift if you don't know and completely trust the other person. I NEVER insist on a gift payment for an online transaction because I would never want someone to insist that I make one; I know that I am not going to scam someone, but I want them to keep the peace of mind that they have a recourse because I would want it for myself.
    Collecting Tony Conigliaro
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭
    The seller seemed to be responsive when initially listing the card. Since all of the PMs and thread TTTs, you'd think the seller would calm the waters somewhat (especially if he's be online as the OP mentioned) and ease the OPs concerns.

    hope it ends well.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    I hope the card arrives 2 months from now, poorly packaged and overgraded so you will be able to fully comprehend how you screwed Mickey71.

    Lee


    Edit to add- it should be noted that handyman eventually made it right with Mickey, but up until that point his actions were eerily similar to rpcoletrane's. Just trying to bring the irony to everybody's attention.


  • << <i>I hope the card arrives 2 months from now, poorly packaged and overgraded so you will be able to fully comprehend how you screwed Mickey71.

    Lee


    Edit to add- it should be noted that handyman eventually made it right with Mickey, but up until that point his actions were eerily similar to rpcoletrane's. Just trying to bring the irony to everybody's attention. >>



    Step up for a heaping bowl of karma I guess :-)
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I also understad that. Im sure I do deserve this but I learned a lot about myself and I have grown up a lot sense then.
  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923
    Why would anyone pay for anything via paypal gift?????????

    2 months ago I got burned on a $20 card doing the whole paypal gift route. I am sure I am not the only who has been burned using PP gift. After that I refuse to pay for anything using the PP gift option.

  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree. But thats how most of the buying goes on here lately. And more often on the expensive items.
    Ill keep yall updated.
    Thanks again guys!!
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    Paypal gift saves on all of the fees. On expensive items you are talking about $50-$100 that you are saving by using it. Of course you have to trust that person. I always take paypal gift and lower my price for people on here.
  • I've done a couple dozen transactions on here via paypal gift. To this point, all of those deals went smoothly on both ends.
    Successful dealings with shootybabitt, LarryP, Doctor K, thedutymon, billsgridirongreats, fattymacs, shagrotn77, pclpads, JMDVM, gumbyfan, itzagoner, rexvos, al032184, gregm13, californiacards3, mccardguy1, BigDaddyBowman, bigreddog, bobbyw8469, burke23, detroitfan2, drewsef, jeff8877, markmac, Goldlabels, swartz1, blee1, EarlsWorld, gseaman25, kcballboy, jimrad, leadoff4, weinhold, Mphilking, milbroco, msassin, meteoriteguy, rbeaton and gameusedhoop.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Let's hold off on the jokes until after this gets resolved. If it was for couple bucks, sure, but we're talking about $500.


    if it were anyone else I would agree, but handyman is the same guy that took TWO MONTHS to email cards out to a board member with his excuse being that he moved to Sweden. It's actually pretty funny that he would come here and complain after not receiving a card after 2 weeks. >>



    And then when he was finally shamed into mailing them to Mickey71 (shamed by a thread much like this one), he shoved 5 or 6 cards into one card saver which ended up ruining the cards by a few grades.

    A pool table he wants? Balls he should get.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Let's hold off on the jokes until after this gets resolved. If it was for couple bucks, sure, but we're talking about $500.


    if it were anyone else I would agree, but handyman is the same guy that took TWO MONTHS to email cards out to a board member with his excuse being that he moved to Sweden. It's actually pretty funny that he would come here and complain after not receiving a card after 2 weeks. >>



    While I vaguely recall that and would typically agree with you, especially since I'm a firm believer in Karma coming back to haunt, I respectfully disagree here.

    Sure, it's only been two weeks and during the holidays. Under most circumstances, this thread probably is a tad premature but all things considered: $500 paid as a gift via PP, sent 1st class without insurance or DC, and the Seller logs into CU numerous times without responding to handyman's PMs.

    There are plenty of ways to teach someone a lesson but not like this.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts


  • << <i>Paypal gift saves on all of the fees. On expensive items you are talking about $50-$100 that you are saving by using it. Of course you have to trust that person. I always take paypal gift and lower my price for people on here. >>



    Morning,

    100% agree and all you getting sanctimonious over some $20 dollar Paypal Gift Deal going South, obviously you Don't know how to conduct Business Safely. I have this year alone done over $10K back and forth, Purchases and Sales with Paypal Gift, haven't had a problem with a PENNY !!

    Oh and BTW I would never send anything over $10 bucks without DC and over $250 DC Sig, even (And Especially) when I do Paypal Gift!

    YeeHahimage

    Neil
    Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
  • dennis07dennis07 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭
    I haven't been around long enough to know all of the players. Is there any chance rpcoletrane & Mickey71 could be the same person?
    Collecting 1970 Topps baseball
  • cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257


    << <i>I haven't been around long enough to know all of the players. Is there any chance rpcoletrane & Mickey71 could be the same person? >>



    Not a chance.
    Chris
    My small collection
    Want List:
    '61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
    Cardinal T206 cards
    Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Paypal gift saves on all of the fees. On expensive items you are talking about $50-$100 that you are saving by using it. Of course you have to trust that person. I always take paypal gift and lower my price for people on here. >>



    The paypal fee on $500 is around $15. I think peace of mind is worth at least $15.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • jlzinckjlzinck Posts: 907 ✭✭
    Wait, what? Someone sent someone else $500 gift for a card?

    #1. If you are selling a $500 card and can't eat the $15 in paypal fees then raise your price.
    #2. Don't send paypal gift. You have no recourse.

    WOW
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "
    Well, I have some amazing news! God must have been lookin out for us both! I opened my mailbox today and guess what was in there?? Ole Hank! It came back to me marked "insufficient address".....the label I used to write your address on must have came up in the corner and got caught on something because it was nearly completely torn off. All that was left was "Dere" and "Austin, TX" and the zip. Thank God my return address was legible and on there. Seriously, God took care of us here! This will go back out on Wednesday morning, as I will be out of town tomorrow, with Delivery Confirmation this time. I will PM you the number once it is on the way again. I'm still in shock that this wasn't lost forever!!! "

    Just got this PM today!
    Round two on SH. I said do it USPs priority with all the bells. So we will see.
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Nice PM. First of all, I don't know the seller so I will refrain from using words like stupid, idiot, moron, etc.
    Shipping out a $500 card with no D/C , insurance, and just assuming postage cost with a few stamps and getting
    insufficient postage return to him just shows how irresponsible he is. God has nothing to do with him getting the package
    back.....he was just lucky.

    Like others above have said, if you can afford to send a $500 paypal gift, then obviously you can afford to lose the card.
    Pending of course that the seller has a kind heart and would actually reimburse you for lost or damage; but doubtful.
  • richtreerichtree Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/State-Street/118326228199588?sk=info


    http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Bacon/1670762825

    I think that might be him ^^


    I think there are 2 people in Bristol with same name...check it out though
    Buying:
    Topps White Out (silver) letters Alex Gordon
    80 Topps Greg Pryor “No Name"
    90 ProSet Dexter Manley error
    90 Topps Jeff King Yellow back
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    81 Topps Art Howe (black smear above hat)
    91 D A. Hawkins BC-12 “Pitcher”
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>Nice PM. First of all, I don't know the seller so I will refrain from using words like stupid, idiot, moron, etc.
    Shipping out a $500 card with no D/C , insurance, and just assuming postage cost with a few stamps and getting
    insufficient postage return to him just shows how irresponsible he is. God has nothing to do with him getting the package
    back.....he was just lucky. >>



    "Insufficient Address", but yeah...

    Hope this works out quickly and safely for ya, handyman.
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  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    I'm a bit surprised God was looking out for this transaction, I heard He was more of a Mays collector....
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Insufficient Address",

    Ah, that's the new one. I read that too fast.
    Hope everything works out.
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭
    Has anyone here ever mailed a package containing a card where you didn't put clear tape over the label?? Or is that just me?? When I mail a card, I'm obsessive about taping down all 4 edges of the USPS label, plus another piece across the address panel.

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    Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭
    I have probably done a couple hundred PP GIFT transactions and NEVER have I had one problem...NOT ONE!! As someone else earlier said, if you get screwed on a 20.00 PP gift transaction, there is something wrong with your decision making and/or how you conduct business. People complain that you have no recourse....as a buyer, if you handle the situation correctly then there is no need for recourse because if there is a problem, it should be able to be worked out quite easily. As a seller, I protect myself (cuz ebay and paypal are all about screwing the seller) by preventing a buyer scam where they get the items AND my money. Sorry, but 95% of the time when someone has a private transaction with me, expect to use PP gift otherwise it probably is more worth it to me to keep it right here in a box next to me.
  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923
    Wow someone has a bone to pick don't they.

    Happy Holidays...
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    ah yes, the ol' ripped address label excuse. presumably, seller has exhausted supply of dead grandmas.
  • I'm still calling BS
    From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo.
    ~WalterSobchak
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
    I thought the dog ate it......

    image

    Seriously, hope that this works out for you. If not you have plenty of recourse available to you. Either Mail Fraud and/or
    Wire Fraud statues will most definitely apply. Pain to have to go through such extremes, but they work quite well.


    Dave
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