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OK, I will man up. I've never been a huge fan of guns and I really don't know much about them. I do respect them however. I want to buy a gun for home defense . I don't actually keep PM's at home but I want to make this thread compliant. Suggestions? Point and click and deadly would be fine by me. Cost is not important to me. I will take the necessary firearms lessons as well. TIA. MJ
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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Hopefully TexasNationals will chime in his opinion is greatly respected by many. I believe he has a particular .380 that he is partial to.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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Whatever you go with...SAFETY FIRST.
Be sure to actually use what you buy, get used to it, learn how it works
need some starter weapon advice.
Classes? Of course. (The male side of the family have historically been the hunter types. I've alreay heard the point it at what you plan to kill lecture. Proceeeding from there is an easy step to take)
the semiauto vs revolver has already been discussed in another thread.
got one semiauto rec.
what about a revolver rec?
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I was brought up in a boxing background and have always used my fists when warranted. My father has a military background but never permitted guns in the house. Go figure. Hand to hand I'm fine. Hand to gun I would lose. I would never think of buying a gun without the training and range time. MJ >>
Sounds like your dad was aware of the damage they could do, especially in untrained hands. I too was not brought up around guns. The biggest thing I had to get over was fear and intimidation. That is easily done on the range.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Glock 17 (or 19 if you want it smaller)
Sig 226
HK USP (or USP-Compact if you want it smaller)
Springfield XD
I would get night sights as I have found strong armed robberies happen more at night so they are worth the extra 70 bucks, but not necessary. First and foremost as others have said, training, training and more training. Gun ranges, police departments (sometimes) and private instructors offer a myriad of training classes, start basic and go from there. Also get a concealed handgun license if you plan on carrying it as it isn't worth going to jail for protection when you can do it legally. PM me with any questions.
TN
Usually it is the Sig or Walther, .380, 6 + shots, extremely accurate and use ammunition designed to stop people, period.
Get a shotgun- Double barrel 12 ga. Easy to load, quick to fire and can also be used as a club.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
I grabbed 4 of my carry guns to give you a reference and put my watch in the pic for size, top left Glock 17, below it Glock 23, HK P7M8 and Sig 238 stainless .380.
<< <i>Stay away from pistols or other handguns. They can be inaccurate and a miss will send a bullet thru a wall into a bedroom.
Get a shotgun- Double barrel 12 ga. Easy to load, quick to fire and can also be used as a club. >>
My ex father in law slept with one under his bed. Everyone thought he was crazy. One night a meth head broke into his house. The meth head just got out of prison. He also has an old shot gun wound to his neck. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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<< <i>I was brought up in a boxing background and have always used my fists when warranted. My father has a military background but never permitted guns in the house. Go figure. Hand to hand I'm fine. Hand to gun I would lose. I would never think of buying a gun without the training and range time. MJ >>
Sounds like your dad was aware of the damage they could do, especially in untrained hands. I too was not brought up around guns. The biggest thing I had to get over was fear and intimidation. That is easily done on the range. >>
I think my dad was probably more afraid of my mom who ain't a fan
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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Move! Just kidding, in Mass. the Walther PPK/S is illegal but it is my understanding the new Sig 238 is legal.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Yeah, I never got into photo takers much
<< <i>Stay away from pistols or other handguns. They can be inaccurate and a miss will send a bullet thru a wall into a bedroom.
Get a shotgun- Double barrel 12 ga. Easy to load, quick to fire and can also be used as a club. >>
I bought my first gun 6 months ago. I went with a home defense shotgun, tucked away under my bed. I just hope I never have to use it.
It didn't take too long to get hooked - I have to admit that I really like guns. I'm understanding much better now that each situation favors one type of gun over another. If I had to pick one, I sure wouldn't want to be standing in the way of my 20 gauge shotgun, but you can't really carry a shotgun around with you to Walmart or Dairy Queen.
I like shooting a revolver better than a semi-automatic, and I appreciate a longer barrel because it makes for a smoother shot. Still, a semi-automatic is more compact and handier to carry. My Glocks are very nice machines, and my little .380 Ruger LCP is like a mini-Glock for a pocket carry.
The best thing you can do is spend time shooting and reloading, cleaning and getting to know each machine. Great stuff!
I knew it would happen.
Load it up with 00 shot, point and shoot.
It's absolutely devastating at close range and you're almost guaranteed to hit whatever you point it at.
Just the sound of it being racked will put the fear of God into any would-be intruder.
I just bought a .22 magnum automatic and a couple of hundred rounds of hollow point ammo. Powerful enough to stop an intruder but not powerful enough to go thru them and into innocent bystanders. I'll be taking it down to the firing range tomorrow to practice with it.
Nothing will work if the bad guy gets the drop on you. Just give it up in that case and hope the hell you are insured. And don't ever leave loot in your car unattended.
Criminals stake out their prey...and most of the time you are not aware eyes are on you. A lot of robberies are carried out by teams ...each with a specific assignment and the victim is 'watching' in one direction while the crime is taking place from another angle. A friend of mine with a shop just got hit for 30k last week in So Cal and never suspected it..until it was too late. Unattended vehicle...but they knew EXACTLY when he left the bank and where the money was in the car. Just like that guy in the Signal Hill coin shop thread a couple of years ago ----he too was probably being watched. Probably just like Julian last year.
A good place to watch people with money is too see who leaves the bank each day at the same time. Alter your patterns.
A lot of the guys I know in L.A. use Brinks for everything. And it's gonna get worse I believe.
streeter- I live in a neighborhood that hasn't had a break in the past 21 years according to police. However, on Weds night that changed. Somebody was laying in wait in my neighbors driveway. When my neighbor came home the guy tried to force him into his own house to rob him. All ended well and the would be burglar ran off. My bull mastiff was out in the yard doing her business did woof it up. They only bark under extreme stress (or an empty feeding bowl). In this case a gun wouldn't have helped. I do want more protection just the same........
cohodk- I currently have a hockey stick under my bed. I think I'll add a shot gun
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
–John Adams, 1826
My friend who lost the 30k hadn't had a problem for 16 years and...
He's an ex Syrian 'marine' not a marine per se but the Syrian equivalent thereof. EXTREMELY street smart. Could be one nasty lad in a pinch. Never suspected he was being set up.
As for your poochy...GOOD dog. Robbers hate dogs. My Rott seems to have a 6th sense about when to speak up.
I vote more dogs and less of an arsenal.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Handgun laws in the US
–John Adams, 1826
AMERICAN made,,,,,, real STEEL,,,,, not some piece of plastic crap
GrandAm
I grew up around guns, the NRA at age 7 with a .22 rifle and range, then onto hunting and pistols thereafter.
I absolutely love guns, as I suspect many others on this forum do!
You love your dog, that is obvious. I love mine. Alabama is a good deterent, but he too requires protection.
The shotgun is a great idea. Keep it close and ready. Then, as others have said, learn about handguns. It is a nice progression.
I have a nearly blind albino friend that has a home shotgun. I fear for all in spitting distance when the crack head, or cranky chihuahua comes a knockin'!
Who knows, you may get hooked....
Miles
There are many things about firearms and the behavior of their projectiles that are not common knowledge and may be counter intuitive. Racking a shotgun is not an effective way to scare off a burglar, please ask a cop what he thinks about this and be prepared to be laughed at. .380 automatics are notoriously prone to jamming and more difficult to shoot than larger guns in 9mm or even .45. Birdshot is for birds, not violent felons. It does not penetrate deep enough to incapacitate an assailant. The worst assumption is that you don't have to aim a shotgun. The pellets spread out a little bit but we are talking about home defense where your longest shot is 15-20 feet. We are talikng about a 2-3 inch circle at that range.
The most important weapon is your mindset. If you have the proper mental conditioning and training with whatever weapon you choose you will be able to defend yourself effectively. You can't just buy the latest whiz bang uber gun and put it in a drawer, you need to practice practice practice.
You need to really do some soul searching and decide if you could really kill someone. A gun is an absolute last resort only to be used if someone is trying to hurt or kill you or your loved ones. You will still have legal trouble in a totally justified shooting. You will be sued by the dirtbag's family in civil court and you may have issues if your local DA is anti-gun and wants to try to make an example of you. It's better than you or a family member being murdered, though.
occupants as well as the intruder.
The Mossberg Maverick Security 12ga would be great and priced very reasonably for less
than $250.
bob
Try: GunsAmerica.com for pricing and purchasing (through a dealer) if you want to do it from home.
I've been shooting since I was about 9 in the NRA program where I achieved the bar 9 award. I love to shoot and have shot all my life. A day at the range is more fun than to me anything other than fishing and the occasional exercises in domestic tranquility. My favorite close range weapon other than my 20 ga. defender was my superblackhawk 8" .44 mag double action. Unfortunately, the recoil from the .44 ended blowing out a bone/joint in my hand after a few thousand rounds so I can't shoot it anymore but it is a heck of a handgun once you learn to shoot it properly; nope, it is not a heck of a handgun, it is the coolest weapon I have ever owned and if you ever shoot even one round out of it, you will understand what Dirty Harry was talking about.
A dog is as good as a gun in many respects. Not a little rat dog but a 50-60 pounder, I've got 4. With those dogs, I know if anyone is anywhere near well before they get to my door step or back door. By distinguishing between the dogs sounds, I can tell if they are unfamiliar with the person or not and if the person is creeping around or coming with purpose. I can see them alert on the slightest sound well before I hear it. Once you get used to the dog, you can use it as a 24/7early warning system. Also, if anyone has been in the yard or on the property, the dogs will alert to it and let you know. By decypering the barks, I can tell a lot about what they are picking up on. Intruders do not like a large dog much less a few large dogs.
With urban tensions running high and well below where I suspect they will be in the near future, it is good to have a secure interior perimeter and the dogs will help to establish your outer perimeter. If there is an intruder inside of the walls of your home or reach inside of your car, in Texas, they are targets. The cc course was very clear about threatening anyone with a gun. If you pull it out, shoot them till they drop, it's a one-way trip, you do not threaten with a gun, you shoot...and yes, there will be legal consequences.
The other side of the coin is that you must remain proficient and confident with your weapons. You must practice regularly with each one. You have to keep your ammo stocked and in good condition and you must keep your weapon clean, ready, and servicable and tucked away from the casual eye. Part of the drill is to pick your shooting points into your outer perimeter, know where you will be, how you will sight, and your fall back position as well as what is defensible and what isn't. You also have to control your rounds because once they leave your weapon, they are still your rounds and if they do some unintentional damage off of your property then they are still your rounds and you will be held accountable for them.
My arsenal has been streamlined down over the years to a Baretta .25 bedroom gun with hps, a Baretta military issue .380 Cheetah car gun with hps with a thirteen round mag, and a mini-14 with a few 30 round mags for anything more serious and oh yeah, the 4 dogs. I don't keep any long range weaponry as I'm a believer that it is better to leave trouble if you can, evasion can be better than trying to maintain a distant position. Besides, I'm much better up close or hand to hand..."A man's got to know his limitations.". My wife sleeps very comfortably at night and my grand children haven't a care in the world...I see to it.
If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns. Talking about guns on a pm forum...yeah, it's appropriate.
Gold is good.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
No offense taken. However, I did know that many folks here had a strong interest in firearms. My mission was accomplished. Besides friendly advise here, I received lots of PM's leading me to NRA instructors and concealed weapons courses. I've already spoken to a NRA trainer near me.
<<You love your dog, that is obvious. I love mine. Alabama is a good deterent, but he too requires protection>>
He's a she but Alabama is used to it by now ):
Thanks again for all who took the time to reply to this thread or reached out to me via PM's.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Grew up hunting did the natural progression of bb gun, pellet gun, 22lr (maybe a compound bow in for fun), hunter safety course, 20 ga, .270 deer rifle.
I haven't been hunting in a while so I haven't had much need for the guns listed above. Within 2 months of moving to Austin (about 4 years ago), we had a 2 am visitor ring our doorbell and run off when the lights came one.
I now have my 20ga Remington 870 jr magnum in house. I carry 3" buck shot in it and I have pulled the magazine plug to fit an extra shell.
I like precious metals too. They are shiny.
Uh, okay, AR-15/M-16 Lower and upper receivers are aluminum, and the butt stock, pistol grip and hand guards are plastic, the only steel is the FCG, Bolt and Carrier, barrel and front sight?
Racking a shotgun is not an effective way to scare off a burglar, please ask a cop what he thinks about this and be prepared to be laughed at. .380 automatics are notoriously prone to jamming and more difficult to shoot than larger guns in 9mm or even .45. Birdshot is for birds, not violent felons. It does not penetrate deep enough to incapacitate an assailant. The worst assumption is that you don't have to aim a shotgun.
That is by far, the most ignorant firearm statement I have seen here! That is 100% opinion and no fact and your facts are wrong. Many posters here have been there and done that and by your post it is obvious you are a arm chair commando- ar15.com, LOL, seriously?
I would look at equipment only after receiving instruction first.
Range rentals are a good way to check-out different pistols and see what fits so to speak.
<< <i>MJ, I suggest you go gun shopping at a big store with wide variety. Find one that fits your hand & feels comfortable. Shooting a pistol should be as natural as pointing your finger. If you could find a gun shop with a indoor range they should have some you could tryout/rent. That way you can find a good fit. I like revolvers for reliability & easy cleaning. I have a Charter Arms 38 special off duty with Pachmayr Grip. Home defense I prefer my DDBL 12 gauge Savage Stevens
^ This is sound advice.
<< <i>AMERICAN made,,,,,, real STEEL,,,,, not some piece of plastic crap
Uh, okay, AR-15/M-16 Lower and upper receivers are aluminum, and the butt stock, pistol grip and hand guards are plastic, the only steel is the FCG, Bolt and Carrier, barrel and front sight?
Racking a shotgun is not an effective way to scare off a burglar, please ask a cop what he thinks about this and be prepared to be laughed at. .380 automatics are notoriously prone to jamming and more difficult to shoot than larger guns in 9mm or even .45. Birdshot is for birds, not violent felons. It does not penetrate deep enough to incapacitate an assailant. The worst assumption is that you don't have to aim a shotgun.
That is by far, the most ignorant firearm statement I have seen here! That is 100% opinion and no fact and your facts are wrong. Many posters here have been there and done that and by your post it is obvious you are a arm chair commando- ar15.com, LOL, seriously? >>
What part of my above statement are you personally attacking me about? I refer you to the writings of current and past firearms experts and my own personal experience to defend each statement I made above. I won't make assumptions about you or make insults, just use facts.
There is a gentleman in L.A. that I deal with who uses the philosophy that if anything bad happens involving his company ...he takes at least 50% of the responsibility for it because he didn't foresee the problem and move to take action before it happened. A very practical approach.
Deterence is just as important if not more important than an arsenal. Why have to make a decision to have to kill someone and all that implies when you could have just taken measures to prevent the crime. A gun comes out...if you can get it out in time...., you shoot it, you kill someone----your life is changed in ways you couldn't fathom before the event. Residential property doesn't need to be a war zone. If you're in a war zone, move. The average joe(or jane) isn't up to pulling the trigger. And shouldn't have to be.
You can argue this or that...this caliber or that....this method or that...ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.
Deterence is easier. Just as effective in most cases. And much easier to live with.
just my 2cents
Ar15.com is a bunch of gun show shopping, Navy SEALs wanna-be's who go buy a semi-auto Bushmaster AR-15, get a quad rail, EoTech 553, SureFire light and Beta-C drums, dress up their rifle to look like a M-4, take pictures and post it and talk about when it goes down man, I am gonna survive! Hey hommie check out my ZOMBIE engraved pistol grip for my ZOMBIE killer, lets go watch Platoon!
Then the whole arrangement about M-16's jamming because they didn't issue cleaning kits and the use of all powder vs. stick powder being used and how the M-14 was a superior weapon and 5.56 not having enough stopping power although the 62 gr. SS-109 carries so much muzzle energy it basically causes and inertia explosion on penetration. But doesn't it tumble well the Russian 5.45x39.5 has a flat spot in the tip that makes it spoon causing nasty keyhole wounds that won't heal......................... Yeah, I get it.
See my problem here is you are advising others on a very important, life or death issue and you are giving mis-information, not opinion, which is dangerous. This isn't like arguing whether a coin is a DD or not, it is a firearm for protection. Opinion is fine, just back it up with fact and if you don't know, Google it. You didn't refer me to anything, saying "I refer you" without references is no better that shooting out mis-information.
<< <i><<No offense, but asking for gun advice on a coin forum is like asking for coin advice on a gun forum. If you want plenty of good gun info visit www.ar15.com. It's not just about AR15s, it is the largest and best gun owner's forum>>
No offense taken. However, I did know that many folks here had a strong interest in firearms. My mission was accomplished. Besides friendly advise here, I received lots of PM's leading me to NRA instructors and concealed weapons courses. I've already spoken to a NRA trainer near me.
<<You love your dog, that is obvious. I love mine. Alabama is a good deterent, but he too requires protection>>
He's a she but Alabama is used to it by now ):
Thanks again for all who took the time to reply to this thread or reached out to me via PM's.
MJ >>
Not 'Alabama' from True Romance, by chance MJ??!
For concealed carry (I have a permit) I use a KelTec P3AT .380, which is small enough to take with me anywhere, even into coin shows.
(stock pic, not my gun)
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<< <i><<No offense, but asking for gun advice on a coin forum is like asking for coin advice on a gun forum. If you want plenty of good gun info visit www.ar15.com. It's not just about AR15s, it is the largest and best gun owner's forum>>
No offense taken. However, I did know that many folks here had a strong interest in firearms. My mission was accomplished. Besides friendly advise here, I received lots of PM's leading me to NRA instructors and concealed weapons courses. I've already spoken to a NRA trainer near me.
<<You love your dog, that is obvious. I love mine. Alabama is a good deterent, but he too requires protection>>
He's a she but Alabama is used to it by now ):
Thanks again for all who took the time to reply to this thread or reached out to me via PM's.
MJ >>
Not 'Alabama' from True Romance, by chance MJ??! >>
Bingo my friend.........
Amid the chaos of that day, when all I could hear was the thunder of gunshots, and all I could smell was the violence in the air, I look back and am amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record: you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I'm not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn't have named our son Elvis.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......