Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board?
To answer your question, I'd buy it just as you buy any other box off eBay. Look at the history of the seller and the actual product and go from there.
<< <i>Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board? >>
There is no doubt that Steve is a great guy, but it's been bothering me all weekend so I'm just going to say it: Am I the only one surprised (in fact stunned) by what happened here (i.e. Steve buying and reselling a $1000+ box based solely on a business card wrapped in cellophane)?
<< <i>Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board? >>
There is no doubt that Steve is a great guy, but it's been bothering me all weekend so I'm just going to say it: Am I the only one surprised (in fact stunned) by what happened here (i.e. Steve buying and reselling a $1000+ box based solely on a business card wrapped in cellophane)? >>
You make a good point. For anything non junk wax, he should reinspect them to ensure they haven't been tampered with after they were previously sold. In fact, there may be unscrupulous people out there that are taking advantage of this loop hole on a regular basis. Maybe an investigation is in order to trace back who bought these tampered with boxes to see if it's the same person or persons. I'd also recommend him adding an inspection date to the card to indicate when the box was last inspected. It would probably only take a minute or two to scan the pack edges for abnormal corner folds.
<< <i>Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board? >>
There is no doubt that Steve is a great guy, but it's been bothering me all weekend so I'm just going to say it: Am I the only one surprised (in fact stunned) by what happened here (i.e. Steve buying and reselling a $1000+ box based solely on a business card wrapped in cellophane)? >>
You make a good point. For anything non junk wax, he should reinspect them to ensure they haven't been tampered with after they were previously sold. In fact, there may be unscrupulous people out there that are taking advantage of this loop hole on a regular basis. Maybe an investigation is in order to trace back who bought these tampered with boxes to see if it's the same person or persons. I'd also recommend him adding an inspection date to the card to indicate when the box was last inspected. It would probably only take a minute or two to scan the pack edges for abnormal corner folds. >>
Why stop there why not develop some sort of hologram technology possibly even add Steve's DNA to each box. In all seriousness Steve does a great job and this just proves if someone wants to scam the system they’ll find a way. Kudos to Steve for making this right!
Obviously this is a live and learn situation for BBCE, and he paid dearly for it in order to keep his customers happy. Any concern on our end should be thrown out the door.
<< <i>Why stop there why not develop some sort of hologram technology possibly even add Steve's DNA to each box. In all seriousness Steve does a great job and this just proves if someone wants to scam the system they’ll find a way. Kudos to Steve for making this right! >>
I don't think my suggestion is ridiculous at all. At $50 per pack, a reinspection is not an unreasonable suggestion. This isn't the first time this has happened. I too have full confidence in Steve's integrity and authentication abilities. Having said that, it's important to close this loophole to protect that integrity.
Hopefully Steve will be reinspecting any boxes that he buys that he previously sealed. While Steve definitely made this right, to me, it is disturbing that on such high dollar packs inspection prior to sending them out was not done. It is one thing to get a $300 box of 1980 Topps baseball wrong it is something else entirely on a $2000 box of cards. I still have confidence in BBCE and their material but with all the fake and resealed unopened out there it seems like BBCE needs to add another layer of inspection to their buying/selling process. I think this is especially true as more and more of the unopened boxes out there have been put together by purchasing packs which increases the likelihood of some bad packs getting into the mix. I have never sold to BBCE so I don't know if they do a random sampling or validate every pack when buying. Cheers,
I suspect Steve has already thought this through and come up with a solution. It's really no different than the process for inspecting an unsealed box other than you first remove the existing shrinkwrap.
<< <i>Why stop there why not develop some sort of hologram technology possibly even add Steve's DNA to each box. In all seriousness Steve does a great job and this just proves if someone wants to scam the system they’ll find a way. Kudos to Steve for making this right! >>
I don't think my suggestion is ridiculous at all. At $50 per pack, a reinspection is not an unreasonable suggestion. This isn't the first time this has happened. I too have full confidence in Steve's integrity and authentication abilities. Having said that, it's important to close this loophole to protect that integrity. >>
Did you lose your sense of humor I was joking around... I'm sure Steve will make changes - as for protecting his integrity his quick wiliness to correct the issue speaks for its self in my eyes!
Wow, I have been gone since Thursday and haven't been on the boards. Do we need to send something to Steve or call to let him know what we want to do individually? Tim
After reading this and posting, I opened up my 2nd pack. I didn't think much of it when I opened the first one, but this one only has 8 cards...no names and 3 of 4 corners heavily dinged on almost every card. Oh well. Thanks again, Steve for taking care of us!
I'm sorry I haven't posted about this matter since I organized the group rip, but I was in Pittsburgh over the weekend for the Steelers and Pats game. I didn't have a lot of internet access. I have to thank Steve for his outstanding customer service on this matter, because a lot of businesses will not take the time to take care of the situation or thier customers, but Steve always does and that’s why he is the best in the biz. Once again Steve thank you for your tremendous service, that's the main reason I buy from you and you only!
"EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE ON THE WALL" - JACKIE MOON
Come on guys...I think some of you are being a bit dramatic of what should be expected here. There's a risk associated with this niche in the industry & Steve and his company have built their reputation to help hedge all of our risk here...
They did a very nice gesture...and it was just that, a gesture. There was no obligation for them to do this. We're talking about wax paper, bubblegum and cardboard baseball/football images that sold for 5 to 25 cents a pack...
I'm now more likely to buy more unopened material from Steve & BBCE, but I don't expect that they have eradicated the risk associated to the chance game that we are all playing here...
I think estang has it correct. Steve is not perfect and there is always going to be some level of risk when you buy vintage unopened as I've opened packs that looked great from the outside but turned out to be resealed and I have opened packs that looked loose or suspect only to find that they were absolutely authentic. Of course, you can normally say with a very strong degree of certainty which packs are good or not good by looking for the usual telltale signs like corner folds and roller marks, but don't forget, these packs were packaged with virtually no quality control requirements and were marketed mainly fior the gum inside in many cases, so there's going to be issues from time to time. This is one of the main reasons why I think it's a good idead for unopened collectors top actually open packs from time to time, if only to confirm that other packs from that source are authentic and also to learn what to look for when opening a pack or looking at a pack to determine if it's authentic or not. Steve does abetter job than anyone and because he is willing to stand behind his product, it's a no-brainer to deal with him.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I have been travelling and hadnt had a chance to post the contents of my 76 packs. I just got caught up on the thread and am very appreciative of the lengths to which Steve is going to get this right. Thats why he will get all of my wax business. Thank you very much. - Jesse
<< <i>Come on guys...I think some of you are being a bit dramatic of what should be expected here. There's a risk associated with this niche in the industry & Steve and his company have built their reputation to help hedge all of our risk here...
They did a very nice gesture...and it was just that, a gesture. There was no obligation for them to do this. We're talking about wax paper, bubblegum and cardboard baseball/football images that sold for 5 to 25 cents a pack...
I'm now more likely to buy more unopened material from Steve & BBCE, but I don't expect that they have eradicated the risk associated to the chance game that we are all playing here... >>
I do not expect BBCE to be 100% perfect in authenticating packs. I do expect, however, to be guaranteed that the last person to touch the packs in a $1500+ wax box is either Steve Hart or one of his employees after Steve gave his opinion on the packs.
<< <i>I do not expect BBCE to be 100% perfect in authenticating packs. I do expect, however, to be guaranteed that the last person to touch the packs in a $1500+ wax box is either Steve Hart or one of his employees after Steve gave his opinion on the packs. >>
<< <i>They did a very nice gesture...and it was just that, a gesture. There was no obligation for them to do this. >>
BBCE and Steve aside, the reputation of the business is on the line.....and that's what drives it......this would not be a "I'm just being nice" gesture by any owner. We're talking 5 and 6 figures the business could end up losing. When that happens, it all goes downhill. As for BBCE, I expected Steve to do what he did with the scans presented and numerous results. You've also got to keep in mind that a rip on here earlier was upwards of about 25K plus alone.
Vintage Football Collector and Dolphins fan. First Cards ever collected - 1978 Topps Football. Working on a collection of the Top Ten FB Cards of each year from 1957-1987.
Whats everyone getting with their refund? I just emailed Steve to see if he had a few singles I was looking for.... If not then I'm going to try the 76 packs again. I opened the other pack that I was going to keep sealed and it was just as bad as the first. I'm looking forward to ripping a pack from the other box they have.
Once again, I have to give kudos to Steve and the rest of the crew at BBCE for their top notch customer service. I decided to use the credit from my '76 packs on the following items, all of which will be part of my unopened collection:
I ended up getting 2 more 76 packs. Should get them tomorrow or Friday. I'll be ripping at least one. I'm really going to try to keep one sealed but there is a pretty good chance I'll rip both and then just put the cards back in the pack so it looks like sealed pack for display purposes
Dang I love those cards! As a side note, Topps could have switched Renfro's and McKenzie's photos and no one outside of their mothers would have known. And clearly Fernandez was on the juice.
I just got my 2 replacement 76 topps packs. Obviously I have the will power of a three year old... Ripped them both. A huge difference in the quality and feel of the cards. Unfortunately no hits.. The only notable card is a minty Lynn swann. Fun rip and thanks tovsteve for sending them.
I was pleasantly surprised to get these grades back from SGC from my 1976 pack. The Tarkenton is a very tough card & this was an upgrade from SGC 88 to 92!
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As far as my 2 packs of 79's, no one of note but some mintys for sure
<< <i>Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board? >>
There is no doubt that Steve is a great guy, but it's been bothering me all weekend so I'm just going to say it: Am I the only one surprised (in fact stunned) by what happened here (i.e. Steve buying and reselling a $1000+ box based solely on a business card wrapped in cellophane)?
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<< <i>Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board? >>
There is no doubt that Steve is a great guy, but it's been bothering me all weekend so I'm just going to say it: Am I the only one surprised (in fact stunned) by what happened here (i.e. Steve buying and reselling a $1000+ box based solely on a business card wrapped in cellophane)? >>
You make a good point. For anything non junk wax, he should reinspect them to ensure they haven't been tampered with after they were previously sold. In fact, there may be unscrupulous people out there that are taking advantage of this loop hole on a regular basis. Maybe an investigation is in order to trace back who bought these tampered with boxes to see if it's the same person or persons. I'd also recommend him adding an inspection date to the card to indicate when the box was last inspected. It would probably only take a minute or two to scan the pack edges for abnormal corner folds.
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<< <i>Steve is a great guy. My question will always be if we should be purchasing on ebay any bbce boxes sealed with business card instead of a sticker if it isnt from Steve or a member of the board? >>
There is no doubt that Steve is a great guy, but it's been bothering me all weekend so I'm just going to say it: Am I the only one surprised (in fact stunned) by what happened here (i.e. Steve buying and reselling a $1000+ box based solely on a business card wrapped in cellophane)? >>
You make a good point. For anything non junk wax, he should reinspect them to ensure they haven't been tampered with after they were previously sold. In fact, there may be unscrupulous people out there that are taking advantage of this loop hole on a regular basis. Maybe an investigation is in order to trace back who bought these tampered with boxes to see if it's the same person or persons. I'd also recommend him adding an inspection date to the card to indicate when the box was last inspected. It would probably only take a minute or two to scan the pack edges for abnormal corner folds. >>
Why stop there why not develop some sort of hologram technology possibly even add Steve's DNA to each box. In all seriousness Steve does a great job and this just proves if someone wants to scam the system they’ll find a way. Kudos to Steve for making this right!
<< <i>Kudos to Steve for making this right! >>
+100
Obviously this is a live and learn situation for BBCE, and he paid dearly for it in order to keep his customers happy. Any concern on our end should be thrown out the door.
<< <i>Why stop there why not develop some sort of hologram technology possibly even add Steve's DNA to each box. In all seriousness Steve does a great job and this just proves if someone wants to scam the system they’ll find a way. Kudos to Steve for making this right! >>
I don't think my suggestion is ridiculous at all. At $50 per pack, a reinspection is not an unreasonable suggestion. This isn't the first time this has happened. I too have full confidence in Steve's integrity and authentication abilities. Having said that, it's important to close this loophole to protect that integrity.
I still have confidence in BBCE and their material but with all the fake and resealed unopened out there it seems like BBCE needs to add another layer of inspection to their buying/selling process. I think this is especially true as more and more of the unopened boxes out there have been put together by purchasing packs which increases the likelihood of some bad packs getting into the mix. I have never sold to BBCE so I don't know if they do a random sampling or validate every pack when buying.
Cheers,
Robb
"Molon Labe"
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<< <i>Why stop there why not develop some sort of hologram technology possibly even add Steve's DNA to each box. In all seriousness Steve does a great job and this just proves if someone wants to scam the system they’ll find a way. Kudos to Steve for making this right! >>
I don't think my suggestion is ridiculous at all. At $50 per pack, a reinspection is not an unreasonable suggestion. This isn't the first time this has happened. I too have full confidence in Steve's integrity and authentication abilities. Having said that, it's important to close this loophole to protect that integrity. >>
Did you lose your sense of humor I was joking around... I'm sure Steve will make changes - as for protecting his integrity his quick wiliness to correct the issue speaks for its self in my eyes!
Tim
Thanks again, Steve for taking care of us!
They did a very nice gesture...and it was just that, a gesture. There was no obligation for them to do this. We're talking about wax paper, bubblegum and cardboard baseball/football images that sold for 5 to 25 cents a pack...
I'm now more likely to buy more unopened material from Steve & BBCE, but I don't expect that they have eradicated the risk associated to the chance game that we are all playing here...
Erik
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Come on guys...I think some of you are being a bit dramatic of what should be expected here. There's a risk associated with this niche in the industry & Steve and his company have built their reputation to help hedge all of our risk here...
They did a very nice gesture...and it was just that, a gesture. There was no obligation for them to do this. We're talking about wax paper, bubblegum and cardboard baseball/football images that sold for 5 to 25 cents a pack...
I'm now more likely to buy more unopened material from Steve & BBCE, but I don't expect that they have eradicated the risk associated to the chance game that we are all playing here... >>
I do not expect BBCE to be 100% perfect in authenticating packs. I do expect, however, to be guaranteed that the last person to touch the packs in a $1500+ wax box is either Steve Hart or one of his employees after Steve gave his opinion on the packs.
<< <i>I do not expect BBCE to be 100% perfect in authenticating packs. I do expect, however, to be guaranteed that the last person to touch the packs in a $1500+ wax box is either Steve Hart or one of his employees after Steve gave his opinion on the packs. >>
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<< <i>They did a very nice gesture...and it was just that, a gesture. There was no obligation for them to do this. >>
BBCE and Steve aside, the reputation of the business is on the line.....and that's what drives it......this would not be a "I'm just being nice" gesture by any owner. We're talking 5 and 6 figures the business could end up losing. When that happens, it all goes downhill. As for BBCE, I expected Steve to do what he did with the scans presented and numerous results. You've also got to keep in mind that a rip on here earlier was upwards of about 25K plus alone.
Paul
First Cards ever collected - 1978 Topps Football.
Working on a collection of the Top Ten FB Cards of each year from 1957-1987.
The Tarkenton is sweet in the front, but it has back wax stains (how can I remove that?):
Overall, I was pleased with some nice stars of the day:
Erik
I had a couple of graded Cowboys commons from 76 and 77 that I listed a couple of years ago, and got some ridiculous offers on them.
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
lots of OCs cards in these two packs, probably worse than the '77s we opened in the last rip
Earl makes an appearance
and a Lofton Rook
Erik