I was in a union for 25 years! union protected the lazy worker that should have been fired.I always hated the union and what they stood for. When I was hired at my job the company gave me a chance! the unoin just wanted the dues!All the good workers keep there jobs, the bad ones always ran to the union crying foul. Unions rob companys chance to compete! thats why companys are are going over seas. Public education teaching stuff only parents should teach,I went to a public school! what a joke teachers burned out. Unions suck! privite sector is the back bone of Amercia!!!!! you have a right to bear arms! but the clowns in washington say no!so glad I can teach my kids about God,Guns,Freedom,and fox news.
<< <i>But now, all the sudden, its a big problem? No, it became a big problem when the value of your home lost 25% and your IT job went away.
When I took a 25% pay cut, my government didn't. In fact, they refused to cut their costs even though construction costs fell like rocks.
Their answer was to accuse me of not paying enough taxes, since my income is down.
Maybe that type of situation is what causes the big problem you speak of. >>
Right! I took a 30% hit for 18 months while I watched my taxes go fund things against my values. I'm told to be taxed more by those who pay nothing and get a "refund." What we are going through is a necessary reset because the current system is unsustainable.
Yuppp...you have to turn the populace on themselves to achieve higher ideals. Pit one group against the other, and manipulate the media and the voting by what ever means possible to keep those in power safe from the rabble. Folks, we're all fighting for part of a small slice of bread while the big dogs sit back and eat their mutton. Please realize, unions don't benefit the worker bees, they benefit the bosses and political parties that the bosses make donations to with the worker bees money so they can curry favor and rewards from those above them in the pecking order. Maybe 60 years ago it helped common laborers with some benefits and job security but that has morphed well beyond helping any workers; need a point of reference...remember GM; look at our national scholastic average...is this education excellence; check out amtrack or maybe it should be called laid back, the list goes on.
Case in point, the teachers in the capitol rotunda yellling and screaming. Are they going to win any concessions...likely not as there is no money to pay for it without some serious taxation of the homeowners and businesses or maybe a hail Mary pass from the big O himself like some bags of cash. Who stands to gain there? The day of big unions that skim the fat from the workers checks through membership fees and donations, making them vote in lock step so the bosses can achieve their goodness are over because there simply isn't enough money to pay for it so who is going to win? The Dems make no beans about raking the membership of the public unions so they can get political sway. The repubs tap the big money bosses so they can have sway in their world. Folks should retain the right to dontate and contribute to what ever political party they favor, not get raked and proxied out of the decision making process AND their money by the bigger dogs.
The private sector is no different. Three guys doing the work of 10 for the same money they got two years ago with no COLA, no raises, higher insurance individual contribtions, they have bullies for bosses (because they can), it's all about multitasking and beating out your cube mate next door for the next project so you can survive for a few more pay checks even if you just had dinner last weekend with his family...it's no different, the bosses are still in the 100 club and they can just get some more guys if these aren't that good; they've got 20 resumes on their desk for your job right now. One monkey don't stop no show.
We keep hearing recovery is underway and the stock market is touted as evidence of a strong economy. Look around you, believe what you see and not what the media and the gov is trying to get you to believe. Do you see prosperity? Do you really think there is the largesse in the taxees to sustain the waste and fraud that we have been tolerating with just a shrug and a "That's just the way it is." retort. When we start talking about someone's money then the gloves of tolerance come off. The higher up the food chain you go for the money, the harder they fight.
So, let's leave this pro/anti union argument and bashing on the sidelines and look at what can be done to protect your family, reposition your situation for a more successful outcome. The old molds and the status quo are past tense now just as the boomer model has become ancient history, look for a new way and that way is not to fight dog on dog. This thread is about mutual success, not stone throwing and diatribe. Make a plan, this is not a drill.
This thread reminds me of EVERY Sunday dinner at my parents house
The participants
My dad-----------Union member and union negotiator My brother------former steel company union negotiator who was hired away by the compay he worked hourly for to negotiate AGAINST the union he previously represented Me--------------the Alex P Keaton of the family who shunned the ivy's of the world at the furor of his parents and instead went to the only libertarian college in the US at the time . As a kid I had a Farrah Fawcett red bathing suit poster right next to a Richard M Nixon poster
I'm surprised no one ever got stabbed at dinner. To this day my Dad will not let me park a foreign car in his driveway. The joys of growing up in Detroit...............My dad turns 74 this weekend. I love the rockhead so much. MJ
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I was in a union for 25 years! union protected the lazy worker that should have been fired.I always hated the union and what they stood for. When I was hired at my job the company gave me a chance! the unoin just wanted the dues!All the good workers keep there jobs, the bad ones always ran to the union crying foul. Unions rob companys chance to compete! thats why companys are are going over seas. Public education teaching stuff only parents should teach,I went to a public school! what a joke teachers burned out. Unions suck! privite sector is the back bone of Amercia!!!!! you have a right to bear arms! but the clowns in washington say no!so glad I can teach my kids about God,Guns,Freedom,and fox news. >>
The schools sure did a poor job. And I love it when people cite GM as an example of how the unions ruined things,GM had so many layers of management that one didn't know what the other was doing. Yep, those damn unions, don't need them. Look how well the people at WalMart are doing I spent a good deal of my working career in a union, and no one ever told me how to vote. I knew the the Local officers and one of the lobbyists in the capital, they were hardly rolling in the dough. I never made a contribution to any Union solicited drive, I don't ever remember one. Yes, some Unions were gulity of egregious behavior, but it wasn't any more than management. Imagine those people, trying to get all they could for working, who did they think they were?
This thread fooled me. I actually thought it was going to be about the ongoing revolutions. Possibly about upcoming revolutions. Never thought it was going to be about unions and the benefits or lack there of to society.
Just wanted to share a part of Niel Cavutos show. Charles Payne on the Neil Cavuto show stated the only reason we were not having a revolution in America was that we had a cool President. He gave me the impression he fully expected revolution in America when Obama left office. Just wondering could we actually be that close? Kind of scary. Take care. jws
Large unions have evolved into little more than a political bribe front from the politicians who support them. The unions then engage in political activism, intimidating their own members to support their "recommended" candidates, using their dues against their wishes.
Unions in principle absolutely have their place. But the Hydra's we have now are no longer principled.
One day, the money just won't be there. Then what will they do?
<< <i>Look how well the people at WalMart are doing
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even? >>
Some citizens think you just take the engineers money and give it to the cashiers, or worse yet, the indigent. Tax the "wealthy". Again, politicians buying votes.
There is a shortage of medical professionals even now. Wouldn't it be great if people were somehow motivated to go into those professions instead of being persuaded that a union can get them more money and benefits simply by joining something like SEIU and consequently never becoming motivated to take their education & skills to a higher level?
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
<< <i>Large unions have evolved into little more than a political bribe front from the politicians who support them. The unions then engage in political activism, intimidating their own members to support their "recommended" candidates, using their dues against their wishes.
Unions in principle absolutely have their place. But the Hydra's we have now are no longer principled.
One day, the money just won't be there. Then what will they do? >>
The above comment is dead on. My story is that my old union company went under and my boss owed 4 mil to the union. This amount occurred over the course of years and would the union shut us down, no way as there was still around 20 of us paying dues/salaries for the union reps. They can not go after my boss because he does not own anything and now the union pension is getting deeper in the hole and I know of several other companies that owe more then this amount that have the same situation. This is the printing industry and it has taken a big hit from being one of the top ten manufacturing jobs. So I left the printing union and got a job working for the school district in CA. two pensions I will never see and SS. GOT SILVER
<< <i>Look how well the people at WalMart are doing
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even? >>
I think you missed my point, I was comparing the the unorganized worker to the union worker. Should a person who is a hard worker, who regularly shows up at a job week after week, year after year have to labor for wages that keep him under the poverty level? Not all people are capable of acquiring a new skill, or attending school. These people shouldn't be exploited.
<< <i>Look how well the people at WalMart are doing
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even? >>
Some citizens think you just take the engineers money and give it to the cashiers, or worse yet, the indigent. Tax the "wealthy". Again, politicians buying votes. >>
The top 1% earners in this country make more than all the people in the bottom 50%. Many pay little or no taxes. Exxon still gets tax breaks, this is the same company who a year or two ago made more profits than any other company in our history has. I don't think anyone is calling for a single wage scale for everyone, and I think many people's emphasis on the problems in our country are in the wrong areas. I believe the biggest con in political history is the right wrapping their agenda in the flag and somehow convincing the average American that they care about him. They care nothing about you, and many of them are laughing at you all the way to the bank..
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Report from the peoples republic of kalifornia: Gas at an all time high for this time of year. Regular priced yesterday in Redding CA was anywhere from $3.65-$3.79. Propane was at over $3.10 a gallon. Deisel $3.99 at the cheapest. Food prices up 10-25% in the last 3 months. Unemployment ranging from 14%-25%.
State is in a mess here boys and girls. Don't expect it to get better either. Gov. Brown is trying to cut all kinds of programs and balance the budget but I don't expect much there either. Too many illegals in this state. I understand why the people in the middle east are rioting. I just hope their reveloution isn't hijacked by some radicals. Oh one more thing... If you think firefighters arent worth the money, set your house on fire and see. LOL (A discalimer , Ive been involved with my local FD for almost 30 years. )
Here's what everyone, including national leaders and the media, is missing about the public pension "crisis:"
There was no public pension crisis as long as pension fund investments were returning favorable returns that satisfactorily funded pension obligations. The crisis started when almost all pension funds got burned by toxic investments produced and sold by a criminal Wall Street/banking crowd. The investment losses suffered by pension funds as well as the loss of future gains has placed the burden of meeting public pension and benefit obligations on state and local governments (the taxpayers). The only mistake made by state and local politicians was there willingness to give public employee bargaining units concessions in order to get their votes. This was no problem as along as the politicians didn't have to turn to the taxpayers to pay the bill. A smart state or local leader knows that he currently has two choices. (1) Raise taxes and pi$$ off the majority of the taxpayers or (2) reduce public sector benefits and pi$$ of a MINORITY of the taxpayers.
Instead of directing their anger at the political leaders who have to deal with the money shortage problem and make tough decisions, public sector employees should be demanding the heads of the Wall Street and banking crowd that stole their futures through the sale of knowingly toxic investment products to pension funds. Why has no one gone to jail or even stood in a courtroom over this?
Private sector employees are a completely different animal. Their anger should be directed at their own leadership who priced the membership right out of the market, resulting in massive outsourcing and transfer of jobs outside of this country over the past decade. They were sold out by greed from within.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
<< <i>Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone. >>
If that were true Bernie Madoff wouldn't be in prison now.
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<< <i>Report from the peoples republic of kalifornia: Gas at an all time high for this time of year. Regular priced yesterday in Redding CA was anywhere from $3.65-$3.79. Propane was at over $3.10 a gallon. Deisel $3.99 at the cheapest. Food prices up 10-25% in the last 3 months. Unemployment ranging from 14%-25%.
State is in a mess here boys and girls. Don't expect it to get better either. Gov. Brown is trying to cut all kinds of programs and balance the budget but I don't expect much there either. Too many illegals in this state. I understand why the people in the middle east are rioting. I just hope their reveloution isn't hijacked by some radicals. Oh one more thing... If you think firefighters arent worth the money, set your house on fire and see. LOL (A discalimer , Ive been involved with my local FD for almost 30 years. ) >>
"Too many illegals in this state" I hear its now better in Mexico than in the U.S. soon I may move down there.
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public sector employees should be demanding the heads of the Wall Street and banking crowd that stole their futures through the sale of knowingly toxic investment products to pension funds. Why has no one gone to jail or even stood in a courtroom over this?
Um, it could possibly be because Goldman Sachs, as the number one contributor to President Obama's presidential campaign in 2008, has immunity? I'm sure that JPM is totally embarrassed for being outflanked.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
<< <i>Here's what everyone, including national leaders and the media, is missing about the public pension "crisis:"
There was no public pension crisis as long as pension fund investments were returning favorable returns that satisfactorily funded pension obligations. The crisis started when almost all pension funds got burned by toxic investments produced and sold by a criminal Wall Street/banking crowd. The investment losses suffered by pension funds as well as the loss of future gains has placed the burden of meeting public pension and benefit obligations on state and local governments (the taxpayers). The only mistake made by state and local politicians was there willingness to give public employee bargaining units concessions in order to get their votes. This was no problem as along as the politicians didn't have to turn to the taxpayers to pay the bill. A smart state or local leader knows that he currently has two choices. (1) Raise taxes and pi$$ off the majority of the taxpayers or (2) reduce public sector benefits and pi$$ of a MINORITY of the taxpayers.
Instead of directing their anger at the political leaders who have to deal with the money shortage problem and make tough decisions, public sector employees should be demanding the heads of the Wall Street and banking crowd that stole their futures through the sale of knowingly toxic investment products to pension funds. Why has no one gone to jail or even stood in a courtroom over this? >>
Well said. What's funny about New Jersey is that liberals like Corzine and McGreevey (past governors) promised to fund the NJEA (teachers) pension fund, and actually never did. The NJEA (teachers union) took this issue to court and lost. So the Dems "bought" their votes with promises, never came through with the promises, and screwed the teachers in the end. Got to love it.
<< <i>Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone. >>
If that were true Bernie Madoff wouldn't be in prison now. >>
Not because he stole, but because of who he stole from. Bernie was actually a Wall Street renegade and not one of the cigar smokers. He just made the mistake of ripping off the wrong people, people of power that had his a$$ see the inside of a prison. Bernie didn't push toxic investments, he peddled invisible ones.
<< <i>Read the Rolling Stone article posted a few threads back. Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone. >>
Matt Tabai is alway dead on with his analysis of Wall Street, the banking cartel and their puppet, Washington. Surprised he hasn't been jailed on some trumped up tax evasion or motherland security concern.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
I don't know what it all means but some of it means that some of the leaders in the United States are doing what it finds irresistable.....engaging in starting conflicts to destabilize countries and leaders to effectuate it's desires.
Of course the US does all kinds of things against other nations that we would find objectionable if done to us.
Did you know the US (and it's buddies, Israel), which wants a 'kill switch' on the internet, is in all probability itself a computer virus creator and is involved in creating viruses that take over components of nuclear reactors to cause problems?
"Though American and Israeli officials refuse to talk publicly about what goes on at Dimona, the operations there, as well as related efforts in the United States, are among the newest and strongest clues suggesting that the virus was designed as an American-Israeli project to sabotage the Iranian program."
I get the feeling that we will be revisiting this thread in a six month to one year time frame. There are a lot of tough questions, and not a lot of easy answers.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Growing overseas business and strict cost controls helped Wal-Mart Stores Inc.'s net income rise 3 percent in the first quarter, beating Wall Street expectations.
But the world's largest retailer's U.S. Walmart stores posted their eighth straight quarter of revenue declines at stores open at least a year compared with the same quarter a year earlier. That's a key measure of a retailer's health.
The company also offered a cautious earnings outlook because of worries that higher prices for gasoline and groceries could put more strain on its low-income customers.
"We are monitoring the economic environment carefully, as significant changes in gas prices and inflation during the quarter will influence our actual performance," Bill Simon, Walmart U.S. president and CEO, said in a statement.
Gallon of gas was $3.25 a gallon today! Up from $3.01 Monday 2-21-2011
Wow and that was only two months ago. Gas up 25% in two months time. Don't worry the Bernake says this is temporary. >>
By now you should know...what goes up on speculative reasons must come down. Holds true for gas also. Expect a drop of around 30 cents a gallon within the next 2 to 3 weeks
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ROME (AP) — Italian police fired tear gas and water cannons Saturday in Rome as violent protesters turned a demonstration against corporate greed into a riot, smashing shop and bank windows, torching cars and hurling bottles.
The protest in the Italian capital, which left dozens injured, was part of the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations against capitalism and austerity measures that went global Saturday.
Tens of thousands nicknamed "the indignant" marched in major cities across Europe, as protests that began in New York linked up with long-running demonstrations against government cost-cutting and failed financial policies in Europe.
Heavy smoke billowed into the air in downtown Rome as a small group broke away from the main demonstration and wreaked havoc in streets close to the Colosseum.
Clad in black with their faces covered, protesters threw rocks, bottles and incendiary devices at banks and Rome police in riot gear. Some protesters had clubs, others had hammers. They destroyed bank ATMs, set trash bins on fire and assaulted at least two news crews from Sky Italia.
TV footage showed police in riot gear charging the protesters and firing water cannons at them. Several police forces and protesters were injured, including one man trying to stop the protesters from throwing bottles. TV footage showed a young woman with blood covering her face, while the ANSA news agency said one man had lost two fingers when a firecracker exploded.
In the city's St. John in Lateran square, police vans came under attack, with protesters hurling rocks and cobblestones and smashing the vehicles. One police van was set ablaze, but the two people inside were able to abandon the vehicle. Peaceful demonstrators who could not leave the square climbed up the staircase outside the Basilica, one of the oldest in Rome.
Rome Mayor Gianni Alemanno blamed the violence on "a few thousand thugs from all over Italy, and possibly from all over Europe." He said some Rome museums were forced to close down because of the violence.
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When I took a 25% pay cut, my government didn't. In fact, they refused to cut their costs even though construction costs fell like rocks.
Their answer was to accuse me of not paying enough taxes, since my income is down.
Maybe that type of situation is what causes the big problem you speak of.
<< <i>But now, all the sudden, its a big problem? No, it became a big problem when the value of your home lost 25% and your IT job went away.
When I took a 25% pay cut, my government didn't. In fact, they refused to cut their costs even though construction costs fell like rocks.
Their answer was to accuse me of not paying enough taxes, since my income is down.
Maybe that type of situation is what causes the big problem you speak of. >>
Right! I took a 30% hit for 18 months while I watched my taxes go fund things against my values. I'm told to be taxed more by those who pay nothing and get a "refund." What we are going through is a necessary reset because the current system is unsustainable.
Case in point, the teachers in the capitol rotunda yellling and screaming. Are they going to win any concessions...likely not as there is no money to pay for it without some serious taxation of the homeowners and businesses or maybe a hail Mary pass from the big O himself like some bags of cash. Who stands to gain there? The day of big unions that skim the fat from the workers checks through membership fees and donations, making them vote in lock step so the bosses can achieve their goodness are over because there simply isn't enough money to pay for it so who is going to win? The Dems make no beans about raking the membership of the public unions so they can get political sway. The repubs tap the big money bosses so they can have sway in their world. Folks should retain the right to dontate and contribute to what ever political party they favor, not get raked and proxied out of the decision making process AND their money by the bigger dogs.
The private sector is no different. Three guys doing the work of 10 for the same money they got two years ago with no COLA, no raises, higher insurance individual contribtions, they have bullies for bosses (because they can), it's all about multitasking and beating out your cube mate next door for the next project so you can survive for a few more pay checks even if you just had dinner last weekend with his family...it's no different, the bosses are still in the 100 club and they can just get some more guys if these aren't that good; they've got 20 resumes on their desk for your job right now. One monkey don't stop no show.
We keep hearing recovery is underway and the stock market is touted as evidence of a strong economy. Look around you, believe what you see and not what the media and the gov is trying to get you to believe. Do you see prosperity? Do you really think there is the largesse in the taxees to sustain the waste and fraud that we have been tolerating with just a shrug and a "That's just the way it is." retort. When we start talking about someone's money then the gloves of tolerance come off. The higher up the food chain you go for the money, the harder they fight.
So, let's leave this pro/anti union argument and bashing on the sidelines and look at what can be done to protect your family, reposition your situation for a more successful outcome. The old molds and the status quo are past tense now just as the boomer model has become ancient history, look for a new way and that way is not to fight dog on dog. This thread is about mutual success, not stone throwing and diatribe. Make a plan, this is not a drill.
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The participants
My dad-----------Union member and union negotiator
My brother------former steel company union negotiator who was hired away by the compay he worked hourly for to negotiate AGAINST the union he previously represented
Me--------------the Alex P Keaton of the family who shunned the ivy's of the world at the furor of his parents and instead went to the only libertarian college in the US at the time . As a kid I had a Farrah Fawcett red bathing suit poster right next to a Richard M Nixon poster
I'm surprised no one ever got stabbed at dinner. To this day my Dad will not let me park a foreign car in his driveway. The joys of growing up in Detroit...............My dad turns 74 this weekend. I love the rockhead so much. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I was in a union for 25 years! union protected the lazy worker that should have been fired.I always hated the union and what they stood for. When I was hired at my job the company gave me a chance! the unoin just wanted the dues!All the good workers keep there jobs, the bad ones always ran to the union crying foul. Unions rob companys chance to compete! thats why companys are are going over seas. Public education teaching stuff only parents should teach,I went to a public school! what a joke teachers burned out. Unions suck! privite sector is the back bone of Amercia!!!!! you have a right to bear arms! but the clowns in washington say no!so glad I can teach my kids about God,Guns,Freedom,and fox news. >>
The schools sure did a poor job.
Just wanted to share a part of Niel Cavutos show. Charles Payne on the Neil Cavuto show stated the only reason we were not having a revolution in America was that we had a cool President. He gave me the impression he fully expected revolution in America when Obama left office. Just wondering could we actually be that close? Kind of scary. Take care. jws
Unions in principle absolutely have their place. But the Hydra's we have now are no longer principled.
One day, the money just won't be there. Then what will they do?
in 2008 was $81,700.
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even?
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Look how well the people at WalMart are doing
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even? >>
Some citizens think you just take the engineers money and give it to the cashiers, or worse yet, the indigent. Tax the "wealthy". Again, politicians buying votes.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Large unions have evolved into little more than a political bribe front from the politicians who support them. The unions then engage in political activism, intimidating their own members to support their "recommended" candidates, using their dues against their wishes.
Unions in principle absolutely have their place. But the Hydra's we have now are no longer principled.
One day, the money just won't be there. Then what will they do? >>
The above comment is dead on. My story is that my old union company went under and my boss owed 4 mil to the union. This amount occurred over the course of years and would the union shut us down, no way as there was still around 20 of us paying dues/salaries for the union reps. They can not go after my boss because he does not own anything and now the union pension is getting deeper in the hole and I know of several other companies that owe more then this amount that have the same situation. This is the printing industry and it has taken a big hit from being one of the top ten manufacturing jobs. So I left the printing union and got a job working for the school district in CA. two pensions I will never see and SS. GOT SILVER
<< <i>Look how well the people at WalMart are doing
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even? >>
I think you missed my point, I was comparing the the unorganized worker to the union worker. Should a person who is a hard worker, who regularly shows up at a job week after week, year after year have to labor for wages that keep him under the poverty level? Not all people are capable of acquiring a new skill, or attending school. These people shouldn't be exploited.
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<< <i>Look how well the people at WalMart are doing
Frankly, there are more people who are capable of doing a Walmart-type job than there are engineers who can run a pipeline project to completion.
Would you have the engineer and Walmart cashier trade places in their jobs periodically so that their pay scales could be a bit more even? >>
Some citizens think you just take the engineers money and give it to the cashiers, or worse yet, the indigent. Tax the "wealthy". Again, politicians buying votes. >>
The top 1% earners in this country make more than all the people in the bottom 50%. Many pay little or no taxes. Exxon still gets tax breaks, this is the same company who a year or two ago made more profits than any other company in our history has. I don't think anyone is calling for a single wage scale for everyone, and I think many people's emphasis on the problems in our country are in the wrong areas. I believe the biggest con in political history is the right wrapping their agenda in the flag and somehow convincing the average American that they care about him. They care nothing about you, and many of them are laughing at you all the way to the bank..
<< <i>Food crisis >>
So we have a "food" shortage of corn. Then next sentence record use for corn in gasoline!
<< <i>Obama orders troops to prepare for food crisis >>
Wonderful site!
Some other highlights from this amazing SITE:
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It suddenly becomes clear where some posters here get their stuff from...
The site claims to be "based in the EU", but a quick check traces it to the US.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Well, if you hire a community organizer to rule, you get the results you deserve.....it's called Social Unrest.....it's quite simple!
<< <i>What does all this social unrest mean ?
Well, if you hire a community organizer to rule, you get the results you deserve.....it's called Social Unrest.....it's quite simple! >>
Or one step further, Soviet Union unrest.
<< <i>Wisconsin is not working people versus the government, it is the overcompensated government workers versus the taxpayers.
America has realized that unions have left ruin everywhere they have been prevalent in this day and age.
The middle east is about basic human rights being non-existant, and food becoming more and more scarce. >>
Spot on accurate.
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<< <i>Goldbully right on brother! Call it like it is. >>
Just call me MJ2!!!
Gas at an all time high for this time of year. Regular priced yesterday in Redding CA was anywhere from $3.65-$3.79.
Propane was at over $3.10 a gallon. Deisel $3.99 at the cheapest.
Food prices up 10-25% in the last 3 months. Unemployment ranging from 14%-25%.
State is in a mess here boys and girls. Don't expect it to get better either.
Gov. Brown is trying to cut all kinds of programs and balance the budget but I don't expect much there either. Too many illegals in this state.
I understand why the people in the middle east are rioting. I just hope their reveloution isn't hijacked by some radicals.
Oh one more thing... If you think firefighters arent worth the money, set your house on fire and see. LOL
(A discalimer , Ive been involved with my local FD for almost 30 years. )
There was no public pension crisis as long as pension fund investments were returning favorable returns that satisfactorily funded pension obligations. The crisis started when almost all pension funds got burned by toxic investments produced and sold by a criminal Wall Street/banking crowd. The investment losses suffered by pension funds as well as the loss of future gains has placed the burden of meeting public pension and benefit obligations on state and local governments (the taxpayers). The only mistake made by state and local politicians was there willingness to give public employee bargaining units concessions in order to get their votes. This was no problem as along as the politicians didn't have to turn to the taxpayers to pay the bill. A smart state or local leader knows that he currently has two choices. (1) Raise taxes and pi$$ off the majority of the taxpayers or (2) reduce public sector benefits and pi$$ of a MINORITY of the taxpayers.
Instead of directing their anger at the political leaders who have to deal with the money shortage problem and make tough decisions, public sector employees should be demanding the heads of the Wall Street and banking crowd that stole their futures through the sale of knowingly toxic investment products to pension funds. Why has no one gone to jail or even stood in a courtroom over this?
Private sector employees are a completely different animal. Their anger should be directed at their own leadership who priced the membership right out of the market, resulting in massive outsourcing and transfer of jobs outside of this country over the past decade. They were sold out by greed from within.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
what California needs is a new constitution
Read the Rolling Stone article posted a few threads back. Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone.
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<< <i>Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone. >>
If that were true Bernie Madoff wouldn't be in prison now.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Report from the peoples republic of kalifornia:
Gas at an all time high for this time of year. Regular priced yesterday in Redding CA was anywhere from $3.65-$3.79.
Propane was at over $3.10 a gallon. Deisel $3.99 at the cheapest.
Food prices up 10-25% in the last 3 months. Unemployment ranging from 14%-25%.
State is in a mess here boys and girls. Don't expect it to get better either.
Gov. Brown is trying to cut all kinds of programs and balance the budget but I don't expect much there either. Too many illegals in this state.
I understand why the people in the middle east are rioting. I just hope their reveloution isn't hijacked by some radicals.
Oh one more thing... If you think firefighters arent worth the money, set your house on fire and see. LOL
(A discalimer , Ive been involved with my local FD for almost 30 years. ) >>
"Too many illegals in this state" I hear its now better in Mexico than in the U.S. soon I may move down there.
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Um, it could possibly be because Goldman Sachs, as the number one contributor to President Obama's presidential campaign in 2008, has immunity? I'm sure that JPM is totally embarrassed for being outflanked.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Here's what everyone, including national leaders and the media, is missing about the public pension "crisis:"
There was no public pension crisis as long as pension fund investments were returning favorable returns that satisfactorily funded pension obligations. The crisis started when almost all pension funds got burned by toxic investments produced and sold by a criminal Wall Street/banking crowd. The investment losses suffered by pension funds as well as the loss of future gains has placed the burden of meeting public pension and benefit obligations on state and local governments (the taxpayers). The only mistake made by state and local politicians was there willingness to give public employee bargaining units concessions in order to get their votes. This was no problem as along as the politicians didn't have to turn to the taxpayers to pay the bill. A smart state or local leader knows that he currently has two choices. (1) Raise taxes and pi$$ off the majority of the taxpayers or (2) reduce public sector benefits and pi$$ of a MINORITY of the taxpayers.
Instead of directing their anger at the political leaders who have to deal with the money shortage problem and make tough decisions, public sector employees should be demanding the heads of the Wall Street and banking crowd that stole their futures through the sale of knowingly toxic investment products to pension funds. Why has no one gone to jail or even stood in a courtroom over this? >>
Well said. What's funny about New Jersey is that liberals like Corzine and McGreevey (past governors) promised to fund
the NJEA (teachers) pension fund, and actually never did. The NJEA (teachers union) took this issue to court and lost. So the Dems
"bought" their votes with promises, never came through with the promises, and screwed the teachers in the end. Got to love it.
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<< <i>Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone. >>
If that were true Bernie Madoff wouldn't be in prison now. >>
Not because he stole, but because of who he stole from. Bernie was actually a Wall Street renegade and not one of the cigar smokers. He just made the mistake of ripping off the wrong people, people of power that had his a$$ see the inside of a prison. Bernie didn't push toxic investments, he peddled invisible ones.
<< <i>Read the Rolling Stone article posted a few threads back. Money talks and can buy you anything or anyone. >>
Matt Tabai is alway dead on with his analysis of Wall Street, the banking cartel and their puppet, Washington. Surprised he hasn't been jailed on some trumped up tax evasion or motherland security concern.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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I don't know what it all means but some of it means that some of the leaders in the United States are doing what it finds irresistable.....engaging in starting conflicts to destabilize countries and leaders to effectuate it's desires.
Of course the US does all kinds of things against other nations that we would find objectionable if done to us.
Did you know the US (and it's buddies, Israel), which wants a 'kill switch' on the internet, is in all probability itself a computer virus creator and is involved in creating viruses that take over components of nuclear reactors to cause problems?
"Though American and Israeli officials refuse to talk publicly about what goes on at Dimona, the operations there, as well as related efforts in the United States, are among the newest and strongest clues suggesting that the virus was designed as an American-Israeli project to sabotage the Iranian program."
New York Times
No wonder they want a kill switch on the internet...they're afraid countries are going to do to us what our government does to them.
I'm sure they already thought of this. That's why they have no plan to honor/pay off the debt
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There are a lot of tough questions, and not a lot of easy answers.
Gallon of gas was $3.25 a gallon today! Up from $3.01 Monday 2-21-2011
Wow and that was only two months ago. Gas up 25% in two months time. Don't worry the Bernake says this is temporary.
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NEW YORK (AP) -- Growing overseas business and strict cost controls helped Wal-Mart Stores Inc.'s net income rise 3 percent in the first quarter, beating Wall Street expectations.
But the world's largest retailer's U.S. Walmart stores posted their eighth straight quarter of revenue declines at stores open at least a year compared with the same quarter a year earlier. That's a key measure of a retailer's health.
The company also offered a cautious earnings outlook because of worries that higher prices for gasoline and groceries could put more strain on its low-income customers.
"We are monitoring the economic environment carefully, as significant changes in gas prices and inflation during the quarter will influence our actual performance," Bill Simon, Walmart U.S. president and CEO, said in a statement.
<< <i>Friday February 25, 2011 12:55 PM (NEW!)
Gallon of gas was $3.25 a gallon today! Up from $3.01 Monday 2-21-2011
Wow and that was only two months ago. Gas up 25% in two months time. Don't worry the Bernake says this is temporary. >>
By now you should know...what goes up on speculative reasons must come down. Holds true for gas also. Expect a drop of around 30 cents a gallon within the next 2 to 3 weeks
The protest in the Italian capital, which left dozens injured, was part of the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations against capitalism and austerity measures that went global Saturday.
Tens of thousands nicknamed "the indignant" marched in major cities across Europe, as protests that began in New York linked up with long-running demonstrations against government cost-cutting and failed financial policies in Europe.
Heavy smoke billowed into the air in downtown Rome as a small group broke away from the main demonstration and wreaked havoc in streets close to the Colosseum.
Clad in black with their faces covered, protesters threw rocks, bottles and incendiary devices at banks and Rome police in riot gear. Some protesters had clubs, others had hammers. They destroyed bank ATMs, set trash bins on fire and assaulted at least two news crews from Sky Italia.
TV footage showed police in riot gear charging the protesters and firing water cannons at them. Several police forces and protesters were injured, including one man trying to stop the protesters from throwing bottles. TV footage showed a young woman with blood covering her face, while the ANSA news agency said one man had lost two fingers when a firecracker exploded.
In the city's St. John in Lateran square, police vans came under attack, with protesters hurling rocks and cobblestones and smashing the vehicles. One police van was set ablaze, but the two people inside were able to abandon the vehicle. Peaceful demonstrators who could not leave the square climbed up the staircase outside the Basilica, one of the oldest in Rome.
Rome Mayor Gianni Alemanno blamed the violence on "a few thousand thugs from all over Italy, and possibly from all over Europe." He said some Rome museums were forced to close down because of the violence.