$100 REWARD FOR INFO LEADING TO / RECOVERY OF...

coindeuce

A LOST / STOLEN eBAY purchase. Allegedly shipped by eBay member icoinbiz on or after December 4 by 1st class Priority Mail, with a Paypal generated U.S.P.S. mailing label, with delivery confirmation. The following item: 1859 N.Y. State Agricultural Society award medal, Julian AM-62. Silver, 38 mm. The images below provide any additional description necessary. I am in the process of contacting the U.S.P.S. facility where all non-deliverable, untraceable articles are held, in the hopes it may be recovered there. Any valid info can be reported to me by PM here.



This item is currently (as of 8/21/21) offered by a California based eBay seller. As noted above this incident ocurred 11 years ago. I knew it would resurface eventually. Stay tuned. The seller has been notified.
Link to the current eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274785884242?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=5633f7b52fe5432f88040de610c3da38&pid=100675&rk=1&rkt=15&sd=274785884242&itm=274785884242&pmt=0&noa=1&pg=2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:cf42ede1-02ec-11ec-ae57-0ec516861fdc|parentrq:6b97087f17b0a44c2b55e4c3fffd3a24|iid:1

blu62vette

Does delivery confirm give tracking info?

Hope you find it!!

coindeuce

<< <i>Does delivery confirm give tracking info? >>



NO. Not on a web generated mailing label. No scanning except at point of delivery. This sucks major big time, since there is no proactive confirmation of acceptance by the U.S.P.S.

OPA

<< <i>Does delivery confirm give tracking info?

Hope you find it!! >>



What does the USPS web site say when u input the Delivery Confirmation # ?

OPA

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<< <i>Does delivery confirm give tracking info? >>



NO. Not on a web generated mailing label. No scanning except at point of delivery. This sucks major big time, since there is no proactive confirmation of acceptance by the U.S.P.S. >>



Not true ... most PayPal generated labels will have a partial or full itinerary...What is the label #?

JupitarCoins

Why would you say allegedly?
Dont you believe he sent it, anyway sorry to hear of your loss and hope it turns up.

coindeuce

The DC #9101 1288 8230 0445 9276 02. Only indicates that an article number was generated on 12/4.

Broadstruck

coindeuce, I dealt with him once what a wacko!!!

coindeuce

<< <i>coindeuce, I dealt with him once what a wacko!!! >>



Ya think?

Broadstruck

<< <i>The DC #9101 1288 8230 0445 9276 02. >>



Label/Receipt Number: 9101 1288 8230 0445 9276 02
Class: Priority Mail®
Service(s): Delivery Confirmation™
Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on December 04, 2010 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.


That just shows a label with delivery confirmation was printed... The item has not been processed by any post office.

coindeuce

<< <i>Why would you say allegedly?
Don't you believe he sent it? Anyway sorry to hear of your loss and hope it turns up. >>



Ask Broadstruck. I think he knows the M.O.
It is entirely possible that the seller had seller's remorse, and he played out a convoluted mess to cover his tracks. I recovered most of my payment via Paypal dispute, but I want to pursue it as a lost / stolen article for his awareness. This scenario appears to be a pattern with him.

PinkFloyd

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<< <i>The DC #9101 1288 8230 0445 9276 02. >>



Label/Receipt Number: 9101 1288 8230 0445 9276 02
Class: Priority Mail®
Service(s): Delivery Confirmation™
Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on December 04, 2010 to expect your package for mailing. This does not indicate receipt by the USPS or the actual mailing date. Delivery status information will be provided if / when available. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.


That just shows a label with delivery confirmation was printed... The item has not been processed by any post office. >>



This has always worried me. At my post office, they have a spot on the counter they ask folks to leave their click and ship packages. If it gets real busy in there, I don't know what's to keep someone from walking up and snagging 'em off the counter. Or it never made it to the post office to begin with.

Broadstruck

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<< <i>coindeuce, I dealt with him once what a wacko!!! >>



Ya think? >>



His next step will be to steal your email address from paypal and bombard you with dozens of emails in like a day or so.

Real sleazy like he wanted to jump in my drawers and make a permanent residency in my wallet.

Broadstruck

<< <i>This has always worried me. At my post office, they have a spot on the counter they ask folks to leave their click and ship packages. If it gets real busy in there, I don't know what's to keep someone from walking up and snagging 'em off the counter. Or it never made it to the post office to begin with. >>



He just printed a label... He hasn't ventured out to actually mail the item.

Broadstruck

coindeuce, As far as the $100 Reward... The items most likely still on his desk!

OPA

Big deal...so he printed a label...but apparently did not ship the item...time to file a PayPal claim. If by some miracle it does arrive this year, mail him a check.

coindeuce

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<< <i>coindeuce, I dealt with him once what a wacko!!! >>



Ya think? >>



His next step will be to steal your email address from paypal and bombard you with dozens of emails in like a day or so.

Real sleazy like he wanted to jump in my drawers and make a permanent residency in my wallet. >>



EXACTLY what happened! As soon as the transaction was reversed, I got slammed with SPAM, which I rarely get.

PinkFloyd

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<< <i>This has always worried me. At my post office, they have a spot on the counter they ask folks to leave their click and ship packages. If it gets real busy in there, I don't know what's to keep someone from walking up and snagging 'em off the counter. Or it never made it to the post office to begin with. >>



He just printed a label... He hasn't ventured out to actually mail the item. >>



What I was saying is that he could have left the package there, and someone swiped it before the USPS employee scanned it in. I suspect it never made it to the post office though.

Broadstruck

<< <i>Big deal...so he printed a label...but apparently did not ship the item...time to file a PayPal claim. If by some miracle it does arrive this year, mail him a check. >>

coinman420

toolhaus

MsMorrisine

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<< <i>Does delivery confirm give tracking info? >>



NO. Not on a web generated mailing label. No scanning except at point of delivery. This sucks major big time, since there is no proactive confirmation of acceptance by the U.S.P.S. >>




If the seller is telling you this, the seller is lying.

every web printed DC number has been trackable for me.


file a dispute and neg him for not taking it to the PO.

coindeuce

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<< <i>Does delivery confirm give tracking info? >>



NO. Not on a web generated mailing label. No scanning except at point of delivery. This sucks major big time, since there is no proactive confirmation of acceptance by the U.S.P.S. >>




If the seller is telling you this, the seller is lying.

every web printed DC number has been trackable for me.


file a dispute and neg him for not taking it to the PO. >>



icoinbiz refunded 80% of the amount paid after I gave him a neg. feedback, and then he requested a feedback revision, which I errantly obliged him with. Now, hopefully between the toolhaus.org report and this thread, the word will spread.

Jesh

I can print a label and it just means the label was printed But if it never shows picked up, well...

SamByrd

First its way to early to conclude the item was lost. I have had many examples where an item took a long time to arrive. Second all though others have different opinions I have found many examples were an item was never scanned until it was delivered. The fact that this item was never scanned means zero. I ship between one and 50 items every day for the company I work for. They are processed through endicia and handed to a mail carrier for the most part.


I hope the item turns up there is a reasonable chance it will.

MsMorrisine

you need to file a dispute and get 100% back.

notwilight

<< <i>you need to file a dispute and get 100% back. >>



Dispute probably won't work now that he has left positive feedback but worth a try.

notwilight

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<< <i>Does delivery confirm give tracking info? >>



NO. Not on a web generated mailing label. No scanning except at point of delivery. This sucks major big time, since there is no proactive confirmation of acceptance by the U.S.P.S. >>




If the seller is telling you this, the seller is lying.

every web printed DC number has been trackable for me.


file a dispute and neg him for not taking it to the PO. >>



Ms.
This guy's feedback looks like he plays games. He may be a loser but don't spread the word that every seller whose delivery confirmation doesn't show up as traceable is a scumbag because:

You are mistaken. Delivery confirmation is just that, delivery confirmation. There is no requirement to scan on receipt and 99% of mine don't get scanned. Those that take a while often get scanned at some intermediate point but there is no requirement. I've had to explain this to dozens of buyers over the past couple of years. On rare occasions, when a buyer has already asked questions that make me think they are high maintenance and will be watching it all the way I"ve asked the clerk to scan an item and they politely refused saying that they don't do that--and this is a clerk I see 4 times a week and know by first name. He says it's just policy. Perhaps your post office has a different policy and yours get scanned but I'm in California and we don't do much that we don't have to. And BTW, I've shipped close to 10,000 packages by first class mail with DC and haven't had a single one lost although buyers have wasted a lot of skin wringing their hands. --Jerry

coin22lover

How much is that coin worth?

Lewy

There is yet another possibility, and it has happened to me twice.....Postman scans the package as being delivered, and then places it in the mailbox, closes the door.....delivered.....(five houses down the road from me).

Dabigkahuna

To say that DC is only scanned at delivery is false. It may not be scanned at the drop off but it will be scanned at the local distribution point for where the package was mailed.

Lewy

I cannot imagine the issuance of an 80% partial refund if the seller actually sent the coin though.....I smell fish.

coinman420

why an 80% refund ?!?!?!

i`ll guess it was an auction style listing and seller was not happy with ending price?

so he should make 20% of your bid for screwing you?

and he gets a positive feedback ?!?!?!

i have to add here that anytime i buy or sell anything more than $100 bucks or if my gut tells me to i check toolhaus along with other places and run the buyer/seller ID. i know for sure this has saved me from a few headaches waiting to happen.

coindeuce

<< <i>why an 80% refund ?!?!?!
Best offer was accepted, with a deposit of 20% paid by Postal Money Order, which is in practicality unrecoverable
i`ll guess it was an auction style listing and seller was not happy with ending price?
Seller initially was happy to hold the item based on my deposit, then apparently got remorse for selling for $25 less than the Buy It Now price.
so he should make 20% of your bid for screwing you?
I look at it this way; I paid $25 for an education. It will cost him more than $25 in the long run though.
and he gets a positive feedback ?!?!?!
Check follow-up to both his FB and mine.
i have to add here that anytime i buy or sell anything more than $100 bucks or if my gut tells me to i check toolhaus along with other places and run the buyer/seller ID. i know for sure this has saved me from a few headaches waiting to happen. >>

WoodenJefferson

~Throwing left hand up in air~

This place is beginning to be a sounding board for disgruntled e-bay transactions, the post has nothing to do with US COINS and quite frankly should be removed for just using all caps in the title!

~fffft~

customroll

<< <i>~Throwing left hand up in air~

This place is beginning to be a sounding board for disgruntled e-bay transactions, the post has nothing to do with US COINS and quite frankly should be removed for just using all caps in the title!

~fffft~ >>


If you don't like the thread you don't have to read it.
Just skip over it. I'm sure no one will complain if you say nothing.

MsMorrisine

<< <i>Ms.
This guy's feedback looks like he plays games. He may be a loser but don't spread the word that every seller whose delivery confirmation doesn't show up as traceable is a scumbag because:

You are mistaken. Delivery confirmation is just that, delivery confirmation. There is no requirement to scan on receipt and 99% of mine don't get scanned. Those that take a while often get scanned at some intermediate point but there is no requirement. I've had to explain this to dozens of buyers over the past couple of years. On rare occasions, when a buyer has already asked questions that make me think they are high maintenance and will be watching it all the way I"ve asked the clerk to scan an item and they politely refused saying that they don't do that--and this is a clerk I see 4 times a week and know by first name. He says it's just policy. Perhaps your post office has a different policy and yours get scanned but I'm in California and we don't do much that we don't have to. And BTW, I've shipped close to 10,000 packages by first class mail with DC and haven't had a single one lost although buyers have wasted a lot of skin wringing their hands. >>




Well, your experience greatly outweighs mine,
so I'll take you're word for it.

notwilight

I just checked my recent paypal history. Seems that First Class padded envelopes are getting scanned most of the time at the sort facilities (more automated equipment) but boxes still suffer.

Here is tracking info for a golf club I shipped. Showed "shipping info recieved" for several days and didn't get scanned until it arrived in the delivery town on the delivery day.

--Jerry

JBTurner

The only trackable service USPS has is Express Mail.

OPA

<< <i>The only trackable service USPS has is Express Mail. >>



Mmm....I live in MD & 90% of my DC's look like the below...I guess I'm lucky?

Notice Left, December 17, 2010, 12:44 pm, HUDSON, FL 34667
Out for Delivery, December 17, 2010, 9:33 am, HUDSON, FL 34667
Sorting Complete, December 17, 2010, 9:23 am, HUDSON, FL 34667
Arrival at Post Office, December 17, 2010, 6:24 am, HUDSON, FL 34667
Processed through Sort Facility, December 17, 2010, 1:28 am, TAMPA, FL 33605
Processed through Sort Facility, December 15, 2010, 7:34 pm, CAPITOL HEIGHTS, MD 20790
Electronic Shipping Info Received, December 15, 2010

segoja

Leaving Positive feedback does not preclude someone from filing a dispute, in fact far from it.

File the dispute, you should get 100% back.

Why would you ever give + feedback on a deal like this....unless we are missing something.

You lost 20% of your funds, you think the guy never sent the item and that's a good experience? I hate to see what a bad experience is.

johnny9434

hope ya get it back. will keep an open eye for it as well

JBTurner

"Mmm....I live in MD & 90% of my DC's look like the below...I guess I'm lucky?

Notice Left, December 17, 2010, 12:44 pm, HUDSON, FL 34667
Out for Delivery, December 17, 2010, 9:33 am, HUDSON, FL 34667
Sorting Complete, December 17, 2010, 9:23 am, HUDSON, FL 34667
Arrival at Post Office, December 17, 2010, 6:24 am, HUDSON, FL 34667
Processed through Sort Facility, December 17, 2010, 1:28 am, TAMPA, FL 33605
Processed through Sort Facility, December 15, 2010, 7:34 pm, CAPITOL HEIGHTS, MD 20790
Electronic Shipping Info Received, December 15, 2010"



That is Delivery Confirmation... not tracking. Express Mail is the only trackable USPS mail.

coindudeonebay

<< <i>The DC #9101 1288 8230 0445 9276 02. Only indicates that an article number was generated on 12/4. >>

That just means that the PO never saw it. It would have to be received, and when scanned it would show that the PO received the item.

coindeuce

Bump.

Bigbuck1975

I guess you’ll be giving yourself $100. Way to stay diligent and this could get interesting.

Martin

I hope you get it back

Martin

Zoins

@coindeuce said:
A LOST / STOLEN eBAY purchase.
Allegedly shipped by eBay member icoinbiz on or after December 4 by 1st class Priority Mail, with a Paypal generated U.S.P.S. mailing label, with delivery confirmation. The following item: 1859 N.Y. State Agricultural Society award medal, Julian AM-62. Silver, 38 mm. The images below provide any additional description necessary. I am in the process of contacting the U.S.P.S. facility where all non-deliverable, untraceable articles are held, in the hopes it may be recovered there. Any valid info can be reported to me by PM here.

This item is currently (as of 8/21/21) offered by a California based eBay seller. As noted above this incident ocurred 11 years ago. I knew it would resurface eventually. Stay tuned. The seller has been notified.
Link to the current eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274785884242?

Has NCIC ( http://numismaticcrimes.org/ ) been notified?

Here's the auction and photos in case it disappears.

ms70

What was the price back in 2010?

jmlanzaf

Given that you were issued and accepted a refund in 2010, this coin belongs to the 2010 seller. You have no standing on this coin.

ricko

Now that is interesting.... surfacing after almost eleven years. Let us know what happens... Cheers, RickO

jesbroken

@jmlanzaf said:
Given that you were issued and accepted a refund in 2010, this coin belongs to the 2010 seller. You have no standing on this coin.

Sorry to agree with jmlanzaf , but it is slightly possible that the seller lost the coin after creating a label and only recently found the coin in an obscure area(behind his desk for instance), but as he refunded the auction, I couldn't imagine 11 years later anything could be done. I truly wish you luck, but unless the seller wishes to make you whole I feel it is over. Great detective work though.
Jim