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Still chasing silver and gold....?


Might need to start thinking about expanding your horizons.


1oz bars or nobilium, tanatalum, rhodium....

The train is leaving the depot.

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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>Still chasing silver and gold....?


    Might need to start thinking about expanding your horizons.


    1oz bars or nobilium, tanatalum, rhodium....

    The train is leaving the depot. >>




    Ok, i'll bite. Where do I get a 1 oz bar of nobilium?image
  • Type in CMC mint in google - they are giving 15 % for orders of 500 and 22% for 1K or more shipping is a paltry $15 not bad. Look at the trends in the prices. I confess with Obamanation canceling the space program I would expect prices to drop for a bit. Lots of upside I think though over the long term.


  • << <i>

    << <i>Still chasing silver and gold....?


    Might need to start thinking about expanding your horizons.


    1oz bars or nobilium, tanatalum, rhodium....

    The train is leaving the depot. >>




    Ok, i'll bite. Where do I get a 1 oz bar of nobilium?image >>



    Perhaps from one of those round tables in England? Kidding image What is nobilium?
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231
    Just looked at the CMC mint website. Any bullion dealer that sells plated silver bars with weed imprinted on them instantly losses all credibility. I'll continue to spend my PM money with real bullion dealers. Thanks.

  • What I'm blabbing about are exotic / rare earth metals used predominantly in space / aeronautics manufacturing although there is a use for it in catalytics - you should be able to research it without my help but the trends are looking nice and I think there is a lot more potential long-term with regard to return on investment than what me might see with all the hulaballoo over gold/silver. I'm not going overboard but a few thousand here and there might reap some nice rewards.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you have a good relationship with your local nobilium dealer? Does he have a niobium test kit to verify the purity of your stash?

    What's that? You don't have a local nobilium dealer?

    So where exactly will you sell your hoard if you need money today? Is your butcher going to trade you a side of beef for some niobium rounds?

    And tantalum may cause cancer?

    No thanks.

    Buying and holding exotic industrial metals makes about as much sense as holding iron ore.

    And I have a much higher comfort level with other forms of paper assets, so pools and etfs of metals are not practical.

    Maybe I'd consider a natural resources mutual fund that deals with industrial minerals.

    Gold, silver, platinum and even palladium are relatively liquid. They have a wide secondary market that is a two-way street full of buyers and sellers. I'll stick with them.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,941 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just looked at the CMC mint website. Any bullion dealer that sells plated silver bars with weed imprinted on them instantly losses all credibility. I'll continue to spend my PM money with real bullion dealers. Thanks. >>



    Yep.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
  • Ok, I'll stick with making money. You ride the rollercoaster I'm not so excited about the ride anymore.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,128 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Still chasing silver and gold....?


    Might need to start thinking about expanding your horizons.


    1oz bars or nobilium, tanatalum, rhodium....

    The train is leaving the depot. >>



    Just take it into any coin shop when you suddenly need money, and listen to them say "HUH???"

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OP does have a point about rare earth metals. Seems that China is cornering the market on them. A lot of them are necessary in the defense industry. Most of them have names we have never heard of. I do recommend any PM collector to do some research on rare earth metals.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They'll just make synthetic materials, as they have for the past 50 years.

    Probably better off buying Florida condos.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately there are no substitutes for rare earth metals (over 20 of them) and they are intregal to our most complex military machines.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,108 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Unfortunately there are no substitutes for rare earth metals (over 20 of them) and they are intregal to our most complex military machines. >>



    All you need is a nuke and some magnets. We got lots of both.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,128 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Still chasing silver and gold....?


    Might need to start thinking about expanding your horizons.


    1oz bars or nobilium, tanatalum, rhodium....

    The train is leaving the depot. >>



    There are about 8 zillion places in the world where you can sell gold and silver bars.

    Where would you go to sell a bar of nobilium?

    TD
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Unfortunately there are no substitutes for rare earth metals (over 20 of them) and they are intregal to our most complex military machines. >>



    All you need is a nuke and some magnets. We got lots of both. >>



    Welcome back! I missed comments like thisimageimage

    Wasn't like the latest/greatest rare metals cachet/discovery in like Montana/Idaho? Dave, lower your nukes I was just there are those folks seemed pretty friendly. MJ
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  • AboutAgAboutAg Posts: 201 ✭✭


    << <i>Type in CMC mint in google - they are giving 15 % for orders of 500 and 22% for 1K or more shipping is a paltry $15 not bad. Look at the trends in the prices. I confess with Obamanation canceling the space program I would expect prices to drop for a bit. Lots of upside I think though over the long term. >>



    Let me guess - you work for them?

    These are the same guys that state "100 mils .999 fine silver" on their bars (100 mils would be thicker than the bar itself; they apparently mean .100 mils, worth about $.04).

    These are the same guys whose 'real' silver bars are as much as 4% underweight, and look 'off'.

    And they obviously charge more than 20% over spot, if they can offer a 22% volume discount!

    So again, do you work for them?
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would chase Pork Bellies before any of those exotic (not considered PM) industrial metals. Good luck in trying to sell them. I wonder what the buy & sell spread is for those.
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  • slantycouchslantycouch Posts: 1,704 ✭✭✭
    Marijuana silver, 'exotic' metals I can't sell anywhere, pennies listed as "penny's".... all overpriced?

    I'll take 5 of each!
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>

    << <i>Type in CMC mint in google - they are giving 15 % for orders of 500 and 22% for 1K or more shipping is a paltry $15 not bad. Look at the trends in the prices. I confess with Obamanation canceling the space program I would expect prices to drop for a bit. Lots of upside I think though over the long term. >>



    Let me guess - you work for them?

    These are the same guys that state "100 mils .999 fine silver" on their bars (100 mils would be thicker than the bar itself; they apparently mean .100 mils, worth about $.04).

    These are the same guys whose 'real' silver bars are as much as 4% underweight, and look 'off'.

    And they obviously charge more than 20% over spot, if they can offer a 22% volume discount!

    So again, do you work for them? >>






    You didnt see the spamtastic nature of this thread from the very 1st post?
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,108 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Unfortunately there are no substitutes for rare earth metals (over 20 of them) and they are intregal to our most complex military machines. >>



    All you need is a nuke and some magnets. We got lots of both. >>



    Welcome back! I missed comments like thisimageimage

    Wasn't like the latest/greatest rare metals cachet/discovery in like Montana/Idaho? Dave, lower your nukes I was just there are those folks seemed pretty friendly. MJ >>





    Deterrents, my dear friend, deterrents. Something about the term "mutually assured destruction" has a sweet ring to it.image I apologize for my incessant desire to bring reason back into conversation.imageimage




    Most rare-earth elements are man-made.



    Edited to add----I think the Chinese people are wonderful. As a broker I had many as clients (Chinese nationals living in the USA) and found them to be well reasoned, logical, kind and peaceful. I do feel for them though as they are used as slaves for the world by a repressive government.






    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Unfortunately there are no substitutes for rare earth metals (over 20 of them) and they are intregal to our most complex military machines. >>



    All you need is a nuke and some magnets. We got lots of both. >>



    Welcome back! I missed comments like thisimageimage

    Wasn't like the latest/greatest rare metals cachet/discovery in like Montana/Idaho? Dave, lower your nukes I was just there are those folks seemed pretty friendly. MJ >>



    Deterrents, my dear friend, deterrents. Something about the term "mutually assured destruction" has a sweet ring to it.image I apologize for my incessant desire to bring reason back into conversation.imageimage

    >>


    Make sure you file a trip report of your recent excursion. We want to hear all about it. Did you catch any salmon with your bare hands?image
    I'm posting from 35,000 ft and all looks good below. Disarm, my friend, disarm............MJ
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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Correction: Less than half of REM's are man made. And even those are rare because of what it takes to make them. Magnets and Nukes? Gotta have REM's to make them.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>Correction: Less than half of REM's are man made. And even those are rare because of what it takes to make them. Magnets and Nukes? Gotta have REM's to make them. >>




    Where is the market for these REM's? I can unload $50,000 worth of gold and silver today if I had to. Where do I liquidate 50 large worth of nobiom? Thats the problem here Derry.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,128 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Correction: Less than half of REM's are man made. And even those are rare because of what it takes to make them. Magnets and Nukes? Gotta have REM's to make them. >>




    Where is the market for these REM's? I can unload $50,000 worth of gold and silver today if I had to. Where do I liquidate 50 large worth of nobiom? Thats the problem here Derry. >>



    Heck, as an established customer you could call me up and sell me your entire gold eagle stash and I would lock you in for delivery here by closing tomorrow.

    Call me up and tell my you got some niobium bars that fell off the back of a truck, and I will send you to Maxwell Street!!!!

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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    you'd probably have to talk to Kim Jong mentally Ill, he might want REMs or Ahmadinejad. Those two are probably in the market.
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  • fastrudyfastrudy Posts: 2,096
    The only one I would be remotely interested in would be Thorium, and I wouldn't store it because of the radiation problem. 30 years from now, it will find incredible use in Thorium accelerated reactors <=====up and coming hottest energy alternative. Currently its only use is making mantles for Coleman camping lanterns.
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  • No shortage of pathology and paranoia on this forum - wow! Lets just make an agreement to revisit the prices in a year and then five and see what things look like. The market is smaller, no doubts but there is a market or they wouldn't mint them. Personally, I'm waiting for the rhodium 1oz coins to be minted. Might even buy my wife a ring of solid rhodium from the company making them which has never been able to be done until just recently. I'll be buying lots of silver on these dips along the way - but a little diversity may pay off well. In the interim, please don't forget your medication for those that need it here. The effective dose might need a little, or lot of tweaking.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,795 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Correction: Less than half of REM's are man made. And even those are rare because of what it takes to make them. Magnets and Nukes? Gotta have REM's to make them. >>




    Where is the market for these REM's? I can unload $50,000 worth of gold and silver today if I had to. Where do I liquidate 50 large worth of nobiom? Thats the problem here Derry. >>



    I don't see where I advocated the purchase of REM's in this thread. I only pointed out that PM collectors should do some research on them. Their rarity and the fact that they are necessary in a lot of technical applications makes them a good candidate for stock research. 50,000 shares of a nobium producer might not be a bad investment, but only thorough research can verify that. If the price of nobium tripled over the next year, you might not have any trouble at all liquidating 50,000 shares of a nobium producer.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>No shortage of pathology and paranoia on this forum - wow! Lets just make an agreement to revisit the prices in a year and then five and see what things look like. The market is smaller, no doubts but there is a market or they wouldn't mint them. Personally, I'm waiting for the rhodium 1oz coins to be minted. Might even buy my wife a ring of solid rhodium from the company making them which has never been able to be done until just recently. I'll be buying lots of silver on these dips along the way - but a little diversity may pay off well. In the interim, please don't forget your medication for those that need it here. The effective dose might need a little, or lot of tweaking. >>





    By this logic, I guess there is a market for 100 mil plated silver bars with pictures of marijuana leaves imprinted on them as well. Maybe I should load up on those as well....you know...just to diversify.image
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Wow! Need to mellow out here, nothing wrong with visitors expressing their opinions.---------BigE
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231


    << <i>Wow! Need to mellow out here, nothing wrong with visitors expressing their opinions.---------BigE >>





    Absolutely right! However, this member has 8 total posts on this forum, with 5 of them being right here in this thread. When I smell spam, im usually not wrong.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Wow! Need to mellow out here, nothing wrong with visitors expressing their opinions.---------BigE >>





    Absolutely right! However, this member has 8 total posts on this forum, with 5 of them being right here in this thread. When I smell spam, im usually not wrong. >>





    Sometimes people have something to say, even if they stop in just to spam. Was looking forward to hearing about his exotic metals. Maybe give someone 15 posts before you make a decision next timeimage--------BigE
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