seein' how it's just another piece of modern crap... I'll say MS69...
pretty coin regardless of the grade...
could be au... could be ms...
whatever... can't grade pics... except maybe definite circs... and even then pics can be unreliable... but I guess it's all in fun...
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<< <i>Just as I thought opinions are varying by a pretty wide margin....
So far we have:
Genuine (already disclosed this is not the correct answer) 53 55 58 61 62 63 64 65
Consensus so far is leaning to the grade of 55/58 or 62.... >>
Imagine the odds...that's why coins are not graded by photos.
My guess would be AU-58 with altered surfaces. I realize that you already said "guess again" for those who stated genuine, but based on the photos, something looks wrong (i.e. not original) about the surfaces.
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Edited for grammar...
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It could grade anywhere between AU-58 and MS-63. There is a flat spot the looks like wear above Ms. Liberty's forehead. There also appears to be some rub on the eagle's head and breast feathers. If it were not for that, you would be looking MS-64 or even 65. Going by the photo, the coin appears to have full luster or "original now" (once dipped and nicely re-toned) surfaces.
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Okay, Randy. Time to reveal the grade? If not, please enlighten us with comments on the luster and surfaces in general. Also, do the pics accurately show the color?
Lastly, do you know approximately when she was slabbed?
To all of you who think that this coin is in any less than an AU-58, it's obvious that you have not shopped for early coin ever or for a very long time. If you find an AU-58 graded Bust Dollar that looks like this at MS-60 money, I would suggest you buy it. Bust Dollars that look like this end up in MS-62 holders, even if the coins are not really Mint State. I've seen very few true Mint State Bust Dollars. Most of the time the "Uncs" are really sliders. This is true of most early coins below the slab grade of MS-64.
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<< <i>To all of you who think that this coin is in any less than an AU-58, it's obvious that you have not shopped for early coin ever or for a very long time. If you find an AU-58 graded Bust Dollar that looks like this at MS-60 money, I would suggest you buy it. Bust Dollars that look like this end up in MS-62 holders, even if the coins are not really Mint State. I've seen very few true Mint State Bust Dollars. Most of the time the "Uncs" are really sliders. This is true of most early coins below the slab grade of MS-64. >>
This coin could grade out between AU 55 and MS 62. And it might even grade within those parameters differently with each submission to the same TPG.
If the coin were in hand, and the toning/coloring could be seen correctly( rather than from an image that will always be imperfect), a closer approximation could be made. While the strike and marks may be seen on most pics, the color and siurfaces are always better judged in hand.
It's fun to join in the guessing game, and many will get some education from the process. But putting a grade and price on an image, and then buying it based on the image, is pretty much a gamble.
<< <i>To all of you who think that this coin is in any less than an AU-58, it's obvious that you have not shopped for early coin ever or for a very long time. If you find an AU-58 graded Bust Dollar that looks like this at MS-60 money, I would suggest you buy it. Bust Dollars that look like this end up in MS-62 holders, even if the coins are not really Mint State. I've seen very few true Mint State Bust Dollars. Most of the time the "Uncs" are really sliders. This is true of most early coins below the slab grade of MS-64. >>
I think I disagree. I posted what I think the coin grades (AU55), NOT what I think is on the holder.....and I have shopped for early coins recently.
Maybe that begs the question..... When reponding to "guess the grade" threads, do you post what you think the coin grades, or what you think is on the holder? I usually post what I think it grades. There is a difference.
Oh I agree about the concept that there is a true grade and slab grade. I usually give both, and if you look at my posts you will see here that I called this coin from AU-58 to MS-63. The low grade is the true grade IMO, and the high one is the upper end of the slab grade.
As for experience I've been collecting early coins intensively since the early 1970s. You might have found a coin like this graded EF by someone like Cathy Bullowa back in the 1970s, but the price would have over the EF levels. I have an 1805 dime that she called EF in the early 1970s that now in an AU-58 holder. And I once owned a near twin that piece which ended up first in an NGC MS-62 and then went to PCGS where it got an MS-62 there too. The coin was really an AU-58.
The point is you won't get true Mint State coins in anything less than an MS-63 holder when it comes to early coins 95%+ of the time.
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So far we have:
Genuine (already disclosed this is not the correct answer)
53
55
58
61
62
63
64
65
Consensus so far is leaning to the grade of 55/58 or 62....
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Not being mean here but,
If I were to buy an unc. bust dollar at full price, I would not buy this one.
I do like the coin.
Brian
pretty coin regardless of the grade...
could be au... could be ms...
whatever... can't grade pics... except maybe definite circs... and even then pics can be unreliable... but I guess it's all in fun...
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<< <i>Just as I thought opinions are varying by a pretty wide margin....
So far we have:
Genuine (already disclosed this is not the correct answer)
53
55
58
61
62
63
64
65
Consensus so far is leaning to the grade of 55/58 or 62.... >>
Imagine the odds...that's why coins are not graded by photos.
My guess would be AU-58 with altered surfaces. I realize that you already said "guess again" for those who stated genuine, but based on the photos, something looks wrong (i.e. not original) about the surfaces.
Lane
Edited for grammar...
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<< <i>Genuine holder. Questionable toning. AU58. >>
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Lastly, do you know approximately when she was slabbed?
And TIME for the answer
Thanks for the chance in your genorous giveaway !
Dan
Honestly? A good looking, dipped out and AT 55.
Slab? MS63.
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It's a 'wowzer' coin according to the eyeball grading system......
<< <i>To all of you who think that this coin is in any less than an AU-58, it's obvious that you have not shopped for early coin ever or for a very long time. If you find an AU-58 graded Bust Dollar that looks like this at MS-60 money, I would suggest you buy it. Bust Dollars that look like this end up in MS-62 holders, even if the coins are not really Mint State. I've seen very few true Mint State Bust Dollars. Most of the time the "Uncs" are really sliders. This is true of most early coins below the slab grade of MS-64. >>
What he said .
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If the coin were in hand, and the toning/coloring could be seen correctly( rather than from an image that will always be imperfect), a closer approximation could be made. While the strike and marks may be seen on most pics, the color and siurfaces are always better judged in hand.
It's fun to join in the guessing game, and many will get some education from the process. But putting a grade and price on an image, and then buying it based on the image, is pretty much a gamble.
<< <i>To all of you who think that this coin is in any less than an AU-58, it's obvious that you have not shopped for early coin ever or for a very long time. If you find an AU-58 graded Bust Dollar that looks like this at MS-60 money, I would suggest you buy it. Bust Dollars that look like this end up in MS-62 holders, even if the coins are not really Mint State. I've seen very few true Mint State Bust Dollars. Most of the time the "Uncs" are really sliders. This is true of most early coins below the slab grade of MS-64. >>
I think I disagree. I posted what I think the coin grades (AU55), NOT what I think is on the holder.....and I have shopped for early coins recently.
Maybe that begs the question.....
When reponding to "guess the grade" threads, do you post what you think the coin grades, or what you think is on the holder? I usually post what I think it grades. There is a difference.
As for experience I've been collecting early coins intensively since the early 1970s. You might have found a coin like this graded EF by someone like Cathy Bullowa back in the 1970s, but the price would have over the EF levels. I have an 1805 dime that she called EF in the early 1970s that now in an AU-58 holder. And I once owned a near twin that piece which ended up first in an NGC MS-62 and then went to PCGS where it got an MS-62 there too. The coin was really an AU-58.
The point is you won't get true Mint State coins in anything less than an MS-63 holder when it comes to early coins 95%+ of the time.
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<< <i>Do GTG's ever reach the 100 mark? >>
A 100 you say?
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<< <i>Do GTG's ever reach the 100 mark? >>
A 100 you say? >>
Yes.
Which group is correct?
Last chance to get them guesses in or change your previous one.....
I'll post the grade assigned a little bit later this evening......
and we'll see who was correct.
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