Ho Hum... just another FAKE 1796 Dollar in FAKE PCGS slab on eBay
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At a quick glance, thought something was "off" then I realized it was the "left set" bust, which is a 1795 variety. The quick and easy way to tell is the top hair curls are under BE, rather than ER. The coin's definitely a fake, and I assume the slab is as well.
Link here
So, of course a quick check to the Heritage archives shows the real one...not a bad looking coin.
I'll be emailing the seller, and then reporting it to eBay.
Link here
So, of course a quick check to the Heritage archives shows the real one...not a bad looking coin.
I'll be emailing the seller, and then reporting it to eBay.
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The seller is in Cedartown, GA, rather than China like the few others I've seen.
This could get very interesting.
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1796 DRAPED BUST DOLLAR
GRADED BY PCGS XF 40 LARGE DATE, SMALL LETTERS
CERT NUMBER 11604751
PLEASE SEE MY OTHER AUCTIONS, I AM SELLIN MY ENTIRE COLLECTION TO PAY TAXES
NO RES!!!
I WILL START THIS AUCTION LESS THAN 25% OF VALUE
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it's got a bid at 1,999.00
I thought 25% of 0 was zero.
It's a stimulation slab.
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Great Detective work!
TomB beat me to it!
Not 100% certain, but this one doesn't look right either:
Trade Dollar
I know there are a lot of fake trade $'s in fake ANACS problem holders. Something about the denticles and the ANACS logo on the back doesn't look right to me (but Iam NOT a trade $ expert by any means)...
I offered to pay the guy with a cashier's check for $300 more than my winning bid, contingent on him forwarding the surplus as payment to the delivery guy I wanted to send to his house to pick the coin up - I am still waiting to hear back.
Right now I have a bunch of furniture listed on Craig's List, and almost every piece has generated solicitations for this type of scam.
There are some criminals in this world, people.
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
He should get booted off eBay.
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Right up his ..... rectal crevice.
<< <i>ITEM WILL BE SHIPPED WITH INS VIA PRIORITY MAIL
AS WITH ALL MY AUCTIONS AS IS, NO WARRANTY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED
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was this recently added?
note there is no return policy.
now 2 bids @ 2550 + 15 shipping ...
what's next? his own buyer's premium?
I can't tell, fuzzy pictures (intentional?)
but they have a group with some common silver quarters (the 32-D looks funny) with normal wear/crud
do you feel this guy got duped himself or that they know they are selling crap?
Someone should email him and remind him of that...............
I'd save my time for reporting the item(s) and follow up until removed. Once removed, perhaps the message will get through to the person.
Let's see ... How many people sell $12,000 coins for $200 knowing that a real piece is worth $12,000. No many that out side of the nut house.
BST Transactions: DonnyJf, MrOrganic, Justanothercoinaddict, Fivecents, Slq, Jdimmick,
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Negative BST Transactions:
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Then reported the auction.
how can they get their sellers fees if they put their crooks in jail?
any lawyers?, maybe we should start a class action suit for allowing fakes to be sold affecting the integrety of the coin industry
<< <i>If ebay cared they would hire a private investigator to accept delivery then file charges >>
HUH?
How does that work?
I'd be glad to do the same for free if it would work. But accepting delivery just gives you a fake coin in hand. You still don't know where the seller is.
As an aside, I've fingered two crooks in the past few months and nobody cared. One $30K coins was being sold on craigs list while it was in a forum member's safe. I contacted the buyer, arranged to buy it, got his real name, phone number, mailing address and google earth photo of his house. We contacted the FBI who never got back to us. In the second instance, I have a buyer sending me one of the "accidentally made the check out for $2000 extra" scam fake checks. I contacted the local police who never got back to me.
At least ebay will end the auction. They are slow but they will. They have to do some sort of validation. If the reports they're recieved just say "This is Fake" then how do they know it isn't just a competing seller trying to get this guy's listings taken down. You have to provide details that they can back up. they don't know coins. They see a coin in a PCGS slab and they assume it is real.
--Jerry
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<< <i>If ebay cared they would hire a private investigator to accept delivery then file charges >>
HUH?
How does that work?
I'd be glad to do the same for free if it would work. But accepting delivery just gives you a fake coin in hand. You still don't know where the seller is.
As an aside, I've fingered two crooks in the past few months and nobody cared. One $30K coins was being sold on craigs list while it was in a forum member's safe. I contacted the buyer, arranged to buy it, got his real name, phone number, mailing address and google earth photo of his house. We contacted the FBI who never got back to us. In the second instance, I have a buyer sending me one of the "accidentally made the check out for $2000 extra" scam fake checks. I contacted the local police who never got back to me.
At least ebay will end the auction. They are slow but they will. They have to do some sort of validation. If the reports they're recieved just say "This is Fake" then how do they know it isn't just a competing seller trying to get this guy's listings taken down. You have to provide details that they can back up. they don't know coins. They see a coin in a PCGS slab and they assume it is real.
--Jerry >>
If the check was received via USPS mail (instead of just offered) try the postal inspectors office. Also, the Internet Crime Complaint Center
Actually both incidents could be reported to the ICCC.
It doesn't surprise me one bit that the FBI blew you off. I don't think there is a federal statute against "attempted fraud or theft." Unless a crime has been committed..... However, even once one has been it still has to be big enough for them to care.
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<< <i>If ebay cared they would hire a private investigator to accept delivery then file charges >>
HUH?
How does that work?
I'd be glad to do the same for free if it would work. But accepting delivery just gives you a fake coin in hand. You still don't know where the seller is.
As an aside, I've fingered two crooks in the past few months and nobody cared. One $30K coins was being sold on craigs list while it was in a forum member's safe. I contacted the buyer, arranged to buy it, got his real name, phone number, mailing address and google earth photo of his house. We contacted the FBI who never got back to us. In the second instance, I have a buyer sending me one of the "accidentally made the check out for $2000 extra" scam fake checks. I contacted the local police who never got back to me.
At least ebay will end the auction. They are slow but they will. They have to do some sort of validation. If the reports they're recieved just say "This is Fake" then how do they know it isn't just a competing seller trying to get this guy's listings taken down. You have to provide details that they can back up. they don't know coins. They see a coin in a PCGS slab and they assume it is real.
--Jerry >>
I would have been glad to write a check so long as they were willing to move in and make an arrest...
If the check was received via USPS mail (instead of just offered) try the postal inspectors office. Also, the Internet Crime Complaint Center
Actually both incidents could be reported to the ICCC.
It doesn't surprise me one bit that the FBI blew you off. I don't think there is a federal statute against "attempted fraud or theft." Unless a crime has been committed..... However, even once one has been it still has to be big enough for them to care.
<< <i>Someone should bid 30K and not pay should this auction not get nuked .
I think someone did.
Glad to see Ebay is right on top of this one.
Good work pcgs69,
scott
for the chinese entrepreneur.
Herb
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<< <i>All top TPG's need to keep a library with obverse and reverse images of the coins they have slabbed. Then when you look up a slab number for verification you can see the coin image as well. >>
You ok with grading fees doubling to pay for the photo service, database management, and storage requirements? and even if they do this, what about the millions of slabs already out there. The forgers can just forge those forever without ever touching the new stuff.
--Jerry
<< <i>With the bid at $6877.77 smoe unlucky winner is going to be very disappointed. In the old days you could contact the bidders and warn them off but now with eBay hidden buyer ID they are just SOL. >>
I think ebay has enough time to end this one. Otherwise scumnuker mike make a guest appearance on ebay. --Jerry
The higher price is very unfortunate but is probably the lesser of two evils and an unfortunate necessity.
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<< <i>With the bid at $6877.77 smoe unlucky winner is going to be very disappointed. In the old days you could contact the bidders and warn them off but now with eBay hidden buyer ID they are just SOL. >>
I think ebay has enough time to end this one. Otherwise scumnuker mike make a guest appearance on ebay. --Jerry >>
Or "Coin Serpico" Mark.