U Think the holder means anything ?
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O.k - here's the coin , sold July 16 2006 @ Heritage for $126.50
and here it is again , sold Dec. 4 , 2006 @ Heritage for $402.00
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And lets not kid ourselves, dollar for dollar, especially for modern coinage, PCGS holders bring way more than NGC or ANACS holders.
I have no explanation as to why, I can just see that they do.
The name is LEE!
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shoot - all it needs now is a football and it will sell for over a grand !
<< <i>shoot - all it needs now is a football and it will sell for over a grand ! >>
This gives a whole new meaning to "Fantasy Football"...
<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ?? >>
The person who bought the ANACS coin definitely bought the coin and not the holder. He or she realized that they could flip it big time in different plastic. Good for them for recognizing the opportunity.
<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ??
shoot - all it needs now is a football and it will sell for over a grand ! >>
Somehow, I just don't think so.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ?? >>
Whoever bought this and crossed it DID buy the coin.
They SOLD the holder.
Still a rather sad commentary on the state of numismatics today, but the person who "bought the coin" in ANACS plastic made a nice score. As long as people are willing to pay stupid money for the right plastic around the same coin, more power to them, I guess.
<< <i>In this case, the holder meant everything!
And lets not kid ourselves, dollar for dollar, especially for modern coinage, PCGS holders bring way more than NGC or ANACS holders.
I have no explanation as to why, I can just see that they do. >>
one of the reasons with NGC is the fact they allow pcgs coins in there registry sets, i feel they should stop that practice and only allow ngc coins in.
i think it would help level the playing field. if pcgs only allows pcgs coins in , and you started a set well you need pcgs cions. pcgs is a smaller company , so less coins to grade and less pop numbers, that is another reason they bring more $$$$.
as always BUY THE COIN NOT THE HOLDER !!!!
one more point , i love pcgs , great company, but i here people say ngc can't grade , please even pcgs consults with them on many ventures.
to look for accurately graded coins in ANACS holders
that have great eye appeal,
and are selling at a discount
due to the holder they are in.
<< <i>I think this demonstrates,
to look for accurately graded coins in ANACS holders
that have great eye appeal,
and are selling at a discount
due to the holder they are in. >>
Agree. Buy the coin and not the slab or sticker.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>on more point , i'm really loving buying anacs coins lately, one for the very low cost and two, for nice coins to cross !!!! >>
My cross rate with old ANACS Bust type has been very low, FYI.
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<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ?? >>
Whoever bought this and crossed it DID buy the coin.
They SOLD the holder.
Still a rather sad commentary on the state of numismatics today, but the person who "bought the coin" in ANACS plastic made a nice score. As long as people are willing to pay stupid money for the right plastic around the same coin, more power to them, I guess. >>
Well said.
The only caveat worth mentioning is that we are looking at 3 year old results. Would there be a greater or lesser price difference in today's market?
I do have an idea though, wouldn't it be cool to really see if the holder makes all the difference? By, let's say, taking a close up of the coin obverse and reverse and placing two Ebay auctions.
The first would just show the coin with a high reserve.
The second would be the identical coin but showing the PCGS holder with the same description.
Most would venture to guess the slabbed coin would sell for more but I wonder by how much?
As we progress back in time , year by year, to 2001 , the Franklin's were bringing alot more money .
Then as you advance year by year , there is a downward trend .........until you arrive at today's slaughtered market .
One can learn a helluva lot by picking a date and grade from the Heritage archives , and then go back in time and view the images and prices realized
........except for the sporadic wonder coin ; the prices have drifted downwards- for many years
<< <i>Wonder what that same coin would bring today? I recently bought a 1950 PCGS MS-65 FBL (mostly white and very lustrous) for not too much more than the posted ANACS holder price. >>
Take the PCGS price guide cut it in half then deduct another 10% will give you what most coins are selling for now,
On this subject of the "coin in the holder" here is an interesting one for you all, IM looking at a 1962 MS 65 Franklin in an OGH Rattler, PCGS price guide is a $95.00 coin. I e-mailed the dealer and here is is actual reply..."
<< <i> my asking prices on the web page are for the recent graded blue tabs. ogh and ratlers i price according to how i grade the coin. i see 7795901 as strong shot at ms66 with vitual fbl's. this date has tremendous price differencials in grade upgrades and i probably would price around pcgs 66 non fbl price. >>
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He "guesses" it may have upgrade potential to MS 65 FBLs, I beg to differ not even close to FBL, (sorry no good pic)
PCGS MS 65 FBL is a $2000.00 coin and is asking MS 66 price guide @ $1000.00 for a coin in a $95.00 MS 65 holder...this is just another reason dealers piss me off...if it has such a shot why not crack it and send it.....
"Because I can"
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and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
It's not supposed to make a difference (according to what Mr. Hall told me at L.B.), but it does.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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<< <i>Wonder what that same coin would bring today? I recently bought a 1950 PCGS MS-65 FBL (mostly white and very lustrous) for not too much more than the posted ANACS holder price. >>
Take the PCGS price guide cut it in half then deduct another 10% will give you what most coins are selling for now,
On this subject of the "coin in the holder" here is an interesting one for you all, IM looking at a 1962 MS 65 Franklin in an OGH Rattler, PCGS price guide is a $95.00 coin. I e-mailed the dealer and here is is actual reply..."
<< <i> my asking prices on the web page are for the recent graded blue tabs. ogh and ratlers i price according to how i grade the coin. i see 7795901 as strong shot at ms66 with vitual fbl's. this date has tremendous price differencials in grade upgrades and i probably would price around pcgs 66 non fbl price. >>
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He "guesses" it may have upgrade potential to MS 65 FBLs, I beg to differ not even close to FBL, (sorry no good pic)
PCGS MS 65 FBL is a $2000.00 coin and is asking MS 66 price guide @ $1000.00 for a coin in a $95.00 MS 65 holder...this is just another reason dealers piss me off...if it has such a shot why not crack it and send it..... >>
some jerks take the cake - a shot MS66 FBL 1962 is a $10,000.00 + coin ; tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine ...........
whats the fellers name ?
<< <i> It isn't like grading gem moderns is rocket science. The coins aren't counterfeit, haven't been whizzed, ....aren't worked. It's basically eye appeal, strike, and marks. >>
Don't be so quick to assume Gem Franklins haven't been worked.
BTW, nice '50 there Dr. Paw.
Another example of why the Heritage archives are the best numismatic resource on the net for so many reasons...
john
<< <i>What did the guy who bought it raw and submitted it to ANACS pay? You guys recognize the PCGS premium, but think the ANACS premium was OK? It isn't like grading gem moderns is rocket science. The coins aren't counterfeit, haven't been whizzed, ....aren't worked. It's basically eye appeal, strike, and marks. You know somebody bought the flatpack, substituted another coin, resold the flatpack, and added this coin to a submission. Total risk, $25 max., but the submitter DID have to get out of his underpants and visit a shop.
dude - with all due respect ..............what are you saying about a flatpack ??
if you bought 21 thousand worth of gold bullion in 2002 -you'd be sitting on about 75 k
u layed out 21 g's for this thing and today you'd be sitting on your foreskin
Sold For: * $21,275.00
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here is a NGC 1953 D MS67 from 2005 Heritage auction ; i gotta think it got crossed to PCGS ..........
i mean ; it's got that to die for look
<< <i>whats the fellers name ? >>
Not who came first to your mind...but check out the dealers selling Franklins in the "PCGS
Collectors Corner" you cant miss him....
"Because I can"
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The Capitol plastic holder they're always stored in. There weren't any 50 mint sets, and the later sets were trifold if memory serves, and proof sets were boxed, right?
John, I know some of the tough FBL's are engraved, and I shouldn't minimize the risk, but buying raw without paying a premium for the designation was what I was talking about.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>here's an example of what searching the Heritage archives can teach you .........
if you bought 21 thousand worth of gold bullion in 2002 -you'd be sitting on about 75 k
u layed out 21 g's for this thing and today you'd be sitting on your foreskin >>
Biggest mistake I made was selling 100 ozs bullion STs in 2002
Then started buying Franklins not long after....
"Because I can"
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<< <i>There is a 1950 MS 65 FBL on ebay for $179.00 BIN offer...back in line with the ANACS prices...miss those 2006 days???
<< <i>whats the fellers name ? >>
Not who came first to your mind...but check out the dealers selling Franklins in the "PCGS
Collectors Corner" you cant miss him....
my buddy Andy ??
"Because I can"
myurl The Franklin All Old Green Holder Set
<< <i>what are you saying about a flatpack ??
The Capitol plastic holder they're always stored in. There weren't any 50 mint sets, and the later sets were trifold if memory serves, and proof sets were boxed, right?
John, I know some of the tough FBL's are engraved, and I shouldn't minimize the risk, but buying raw without paying a premium for the designation was what I was talking about. >>
well there you go .........
..........trifold ??
<< <i>BINGO! >>
he's had a huge inventory of slabbed Franklins for 20 years, and I bought some along the way ........
he's a good man - must have a ton of money ........... he used to make a set pricelist and priced his coins by grade/service
guess he got smart in his old age .
But I must say if it had a shot - he would have already fired
Wooten used to cherry pick him !
<< <i>U Think the holder means anything ? >>
I'm beginning to learn that it does.
But I still buy older ANACS along with PCGS now.
"Bongo hurtles along the rain soaked highway of life on underinflated bald retread tires."
~Wayne
Is there a better way of drawing in more submissions?
Instead of a bean, the coin could eventually make MS66.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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now your talking ..........then it sells for a 1000$
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and that feller is right ; it usually is the same school of sharks that surround the boat -
no matter if it's a row boat or a Battleship
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<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ?? >>
Whoever bought this and crossed it DID buy the coin.
They SOLD the holder.
Still a rather sad commentary on the state of numismatics today, but the person who "bought the coin" in ANACS plastic made a nice score. As long as people are willing to pay stupid money for the right plastic around the same coin, more power to them, I guess. >>
The person who bought the coin in PCGS plastic likely had no idea that the coin was previously in another holder.
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<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ?? >>
Whoever bought this and crossed it DID buy the coin.
They SOLD the holder.
Still a rather sad commentary on the state of numismatics today, but the person who "bought the coin" in ANACS plastic made a nice score. As long as people are willing to pay stupid money for the right plastic around the same coin, more power to them, I guess. >>
The person who bought the coin in PCGS plastic likely had no idea that the coin was previously in another holder. >>
Should he really care?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Take the PCGS price guide cut it in half then deduct another 10% will give you what most coins are selling for now, >>
Maybe for modern widgets, but not for classic material. I would *love* to buy slabbed half cents and large cents using your formula...
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<< <i>Wonder what that same coin would bring today? I recently bought a 1950 PCGS MS-65 FBL (mostly white and very lustrous) for not too much more than the posted ANACS holder price. >>
Take the PCGS price guide cut it in half then deduct another 10% will give you what most coins are selling for now,
On this subject of the "coin in the holder" here is an interesting one for you all, IM looking at a 1962 MS 65 Franklin in an OGH Rattler, PCGS price guide is a $95.00 coin. I e-mailed the dealer and here is is actual reply..."
<< <i> my asking prices on the web page are for the recent graded blue tabs. ogh and ratlers i price according to how i grade the coin. i see 7795901 as strong shot at ms66 with vitual fbl's. this date has tremendous price differencials in grade upgrades and i probably would price around pcgs 66 non fbl price. >>
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He "guesses" it may have upgrade potential to MS 65 FBLs, I beg to differ not even close to FBL, (sorry no good pic)
PCGS MS 65 FBL is a $2000.00 coin and is asking MS 66 price guide @ $1000.00 for a coin in a $95.00 MS 65 holder...this is just another reason dealers piss me off...if it has such a shot why not crack it and send it..... >>
Cuz they'd rather sell the risk for a profit rather than actually try it themselves.
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<< <i>what about those Wailing Willies that tout " buy the coin -not the holder " ?? >>
Whoever bought this and crossed it DID buy the coin.
They SOLD the holder.
Still a rather sad commentary on the state of numismatics today, but the person who "bought the coin" in ANACS plastic made a nice score. As long as people are willing to pay stupid money for the right plastic around the same coin, more power to them, I guess. >>
The person who bought the coin in PCGS plastic likely had no idea that the coin was previously in another holder. >>
Should he really care? >>
No, but its sorta akin to finding out that those $1500 Gucci shoes were really made by some little podunk factory in Puxico, Missouri for about $15.
<< <i>This is the 1950 PCGS MS-65 FBL I bought for around $130, has a nice look IMHO.
Why did PCGS put FBL on the insert?
Herb
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<< <i>This is the 1950 PCGS MS-65 FBL I bought for around $130, has a nice look IMHO.
Why did PCGS put FBL on the insert?
Herb >>
Why not? You don't think it is FBL from those pics? Both TPGs saw it in hand.
Herb
<< <i>otay..................they saw it in hand and I'm just lookin at a pic.........................got it!
Herb >>
Course we don't know if it was submitted raw or for crossover. Then again CAC beaned a coin that PCGS said was FBL, but turns out it warn't really.