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  • << <i>Cuz they'd rather sell the risk for a profit rather than actually try it themselves >>



    Received e-mail back this morning with an asking price of $1000.00 for the 1962 MS 65 Rattler

    a $95.00 (PCGS price guide coin) he wants a grand for no guarantee if dosen`t upgrade, just thinks it has a shot...

    I wouldn`t have cracked it out anyway...

    Franklins are in the toilet, the coin is no MS 66, and not FBLs and at best would grade the same MS 65

    dealers that deal this way are scum bags to me, no matter what anyone has to say positive about them...



  • << <i><< Take the PCGS price guide cut it in half then deduct another 10% will give you what most coins are selling for now, >>



    Maybe for modern widgets, but not for classic material. I would *love* to buy slabbed half cents and large cents using your formula... >>



    Franklins are probably the ONLY series this formula works almost all the time at least now....

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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    dealers that deal this way are scum bags to me, no matter what anyone has to say positive about them...

    but have you not ever met a potlickin' scumsucking filthy scumbag that was a nice feller ?


  • << <i>but have you not ever met a potlickin' scumsucking filthy scumbag that was a nice feller ? >>



    You were 100% correct on your statement about Franklin dealers...
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    although this seller deals in far more then slabbed Franklin's ...........

    he still falls under the heading of a Franklin Dealer : and what do we know to be fact about ALL Franklin Dealers ?

    ( and most the people that collect them too ! )


  • << <i>he still falls under the heading of a Franklin Dealer : and what do we know to be fact about ALL Franklin Dealers ? >>



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    << <i>In this case, the holder meant everything!

    And lets not kid ourselves, dollar for dollar, especially for modern coinage, PCGS holders bring way more than NGC or ANACS holders.

    I have no explanation as to why, I can just see that they do. >>



    I agree, but I can think of a few reasons why this is so, but the main reason is:

    Most collectors do not know how to grade.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    agree, but I can think of a few reasons why this is so, but the main reason is:

    Most collectors do not know how to grade.




    .........you could even go further : very few dealers know how to grade

    in fact - there are probably only a big fistfull of World Class graders in the whole world image


  • << <i>.........you could even go further : very few dealers know how to grade

    in fact - there are probably only a big fistfull of World Class graders in the whole world >>



    Amen to that... its why IM pissed one is trying to sell me MS 65 graded..at MS 66 FBL on "I think so"...

  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    ....best to walk away from that deal -

    search out a new one - nicer, .....better , .......and at a fair price


    and let that anger go

    easy to say ; harder to do image


  • << <i>best to walk away from that deal -

    search out a new one - nicer, .....better , .......and at a fair price


    and let that anger go

    easy to say ; harder to do >>



    Very wise words grasshopper...image
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    ..you find one yet ?image


  • << <i>you find one yet ?
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    No but here is an interesting one, this coin was on e-bay July 2nd not into fingerprints on my Franklins..image. Decided to make an offer, in the time I made the offer someone made a better offer / better offer was accepted...needed coin for my set ticked had chance to do BIN hesitated lost out...the coin came back my way + 35.00 from what I could have had it for in the first place...taking a chance I can get past the fingerprints...is MS 66...Franklins are dead...yet I continue to fill the void...
  • Wow! I'll bet that 52 has real pizzazz!
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    pizza or not - finger prints turn me off ...period .

    I had some stunners , full blown Rainbow MS-66 early D mints - but the prints never go away .....they just become more

    and more troublesome .

    If your happy with it -that would be what counts - but for my money ; no dice
  • Yea, I hate fingerprints more than anything on a coin... will see if I can see past them with coin in hand...
  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    ..i thought I remembered you hated fingerprints ..............




  • << <i>i thought I remembered you hated fingerprints >>



    I do, prints maybe light enough to "see past"...coin sent on approval...

    Interesting thing fingerprints...sometimes getting worse over the years...

    Sometimes light enough they dont slap you upside the head...mostly concerned with one

    obverse front of / on his face....for the most part not as bad as some I have seen...

    In hand will tell....


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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845
    ...look's like it's plastered with them -front and back !


    you got the fever man ...........stick to your standardsimage

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