I know that is all you care about, what else do teenagers have to do?
But, as you get a real job, I am going to help you financially and emotionally, so that you do not stake any money or more emotions into Howard.
You got lucky by staking your emotions into Howard...lucky that Chase Utely, Cole, and Lidge were on that team as the best players.
But that is gone. So the future is where we look now. The future for Howard is Dave Kingman and 2001 Greg Vaughn. He is extremely close to Kingman as we speak. 2001 Vaugh is only a few years away.
As for the Phillies future. They have a shot this year due to a weak division, and Chase Utley typical great play...and Ibanez playing out of his head. Howard is riding their coat tails with all the guys on base. No, you still don't understand that.
Three years from now, with 20 million going to a player who will be a below average MLB player, their chances are bleak. You will be seeing more Steve Jeltz years, unless they open up the bank.
BEWARE! Listen, you may not lose all your money again, and you may be happy...and just maybe find a female companion.
<< <i>I know that is all you care about, what else do teenagers have to do?
But, as you get a real job, I am going to help you financially and emotionally, so that you do not stake any money or more emotions into Howard.
You got lucky by staking your emotions into Howard...lucky that Chase Utely, Cole, and Lidge were on that team as the best players.
But that is gone. So the future is where we look now. The future for Howard is Dave Kingman and 2001 Greg Vaughn. He is extremely close to Kingman as we speak. 2001 Vaugh is only a few years away.
As for the Phillies future. They have a shot this year due to a weak division, and Chase Utley typical great play...and Ibanez playing out of his head. Howard is riding their coat tails with all the guys on base. No, you still don't understand that.
Three years from now, with 20 million going to a player who will be a below average MLB player, their chances are bleak. You will be seeing more Steve Jeltz years, unless they open up the bank.
BEWARE! Listen, you may not lose all your money again, and you may be happy...and just maybe find a female companion. >>
Howard did get a late start, blocked by Thome at 1b. He does play a solid first base, but the numbers don't lie. Over the next 4 to 6 years a decline is inevitable. Big guys with big swings don't age well.
<< <i>I am a Phillies fan, but I wonder how the 4th or 5th best player on the Phils last year could finish runner up in the NL MVP race? >>
Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple. They should stick to creating stories and hype so that kids like SteveK have something to look forward to besides popping the next pimple.
If one wants to understand, then read that ridiculous Ryan Howard for MVP thread. Read Dallasactuary's posts, skip all the other ones, and it should be fairly easy to follow. No need to retype what was written there already. This thread is dedicated to Howard's transformation to Kong, which is nearly complete.
Hoops, why keep ignoring that Kingman actually did a good job of maintaining the same ability as he aged? If Howard were to match Kingman's career trajectory that would mean he wouldn't slip too much from now until his mid-30s
<< <i>I am a Phillies fan, but I wonder how the 4th or 5th best player on the Phils last year could finish runner up in the NL MVP race? >>
Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple. They should stick to creating stories and hype so that kids like SteveK have something to look forward to besides popping the next pimple.
If one wants to understand, then read that ridiculous Ryan Howard for MVP thread. Read Dallasactuary's posts, skip all the other ones, and it should be fairly easy to follow. No need to retype what was written there already. This thread is dedicated to Howard's transformation to Kong, which is nearly complete. >>
<<< Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple >>>
Hoopster the boy genius has spoken. The writers are ignorant and he is the wise one.
<< <i>I am a Phillies fan, but I wonder how the 4th or 5th best player on the Phils last year could finish runner up in the NL MVP race? >>
Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple. They should stick to creating stories and hype so that kids like SteveK have something to look forward to besides popping the next pimple.
If one wants to understand, then read that ridiculous Ryan Howard for MVP thread. Read Dallasactuary's posts, skip all the other ones, and it should be fairly easy to follow. No need to retype what was written there already. This thread is dedicated to Howard's transformation to Kong, which is nearly complete. >>
<<< Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple >>>
Hoopster the boy genius has spoken. The writers are ignorant and he is the wise one. >>
Well said - at least you and Hoopster agree on one thing. The writers got Sauer vs. Roberts correct, too!
<< <i>Hoops, why keep ignoring that Kingman actually did a good job of maintaining the same ability as he aged? If Howard were to match Kingman's career trajectory that would mean he wouldn't slip too much from now until his mid-30s >>
It has nothing to do with Kingman's career trajectory!!!! All I am pointing out is that he is becoming Dave Kingman(albeit with a fantastic 2006 season that Kingman never had). And that it is the good lineup and luck that is fooling people into thinking he is much more than a Dave Kingman right now.
Howard had a fantastic year in 2006, then dropped to a very good one in 2007. Some good luck hitting with men on last year, coupled with a plethora of opportunites, gave Howard a boat load of RBI, thus fooling everyone into thinking that he is as good as he has been. However, when you understand his RBI total, you see that he is actually morphing into a Dave Kingman who happens to be in a great lineup. But these guys don't see that. They still see the RBI total(and are still blind as to why that is occuring. They say they understand, but then go ahead and post an RBI total with ignorance as to the context).
As for his career path, he is only going to get worse. When that smidge of bat speed goes, he will be awful. I am saying he will be more of a 2001/2002 Greg Vaughn by the time he is 34-35, hovering with an OPS+ from 100 to 85ish or lower.
It could get ugly quick for Howard.
Basically, when it is all said and done, he will be far closer to Dave Kingman, than to the HOF sluggers, or Pujols...whom these mopes have the stupidity of comparing him too(using RBI total as the barometer, LOL)...and even saying that they would rather have Howard over Pujols because he fits their team better. Stupidity. He isn't a shooting guard that is a better or willing defender(which I won't elaborate on because these guys won't get it).
Any chance Ryan Howard turns into a David Ortiz from a few years back ?
Ortiz started off slow in Minnesota, then came to Boston and made a few adjustments in his swing. The results are history.
Howard looks very unbalanced in his stance. His legs look wobbly when he is set to hit. If he changes that, I'm sure his hands will be more steady coming through the zone. Reggie Jackson had a very steady stance, but just couldn't catch up with the outside pitch because he wanted to pull everything. Ryan on the other hand will go to left field much more then Reggie.
The main difference between them is that Ortiz had THREE years like Howard's best season....slugging over .600 and getting on near/over .400. Ortiz showed that his best wasn't a fluke, and that he was for real, until lately where he isn't the same.
In Howard's case, his 2006 season where he truly was a great hitter(on his merit, and not based on the merit of his teammates providing tons of RBI chances), it may have been simply a career spike happening right away in 2006, or it may be the case where the league figured him out soon after that.
With Howard you see a drop in OPS+ from 167 to 144, to 124, and this year it is 119 so far. This measures HIM, not his teammates!!
But what coincided with that drop in OPS+ is a drop in plate discipline in each year. It is this that is hinting that the pitchers have figured him out a bit. His Strikeout/Walk ratio is getting worse each year.
Howard's Strikeout/BB ratio. The lower the better. 2006....1.68 2007....1.86 2008....2.46 2009....2.88
The league very well may have simply figured him out. With any drop in bat speed(which comes in your 30's), he could turn bad quickly.
Check out Ortiz's SO/BB ratios starting with his breakout 2003 season.
Very interesting comparison between Ortiz and Howard. If Ryan can cut down on his strikeouts, then he would be an incredible hitter. He is able to go to left field quite well. I think someone has to work with his stance. He is just so off balanced at the plate. Watch the way Manny Ramirez stays still throughout his set position and swing. Then watch how Ryan Howard gets so herky jerky when some difficult pitches come his way.
<< <i>Very interesting comparison between Ortiz and Howard. If Ryan can cut down on his strikeouts, then he would be an incredible hitter. He is able to go to left field quite well. I think someone has to work with his stance. He is just so off balanced at the plate. Watch the way Manny Ramirez stays still throughout his set position and swing. Then watch how Ryan Howard gets so herky jerky when some difficult pitches come his way. >>
At Ryan's age, he has almost no chance of changing his basic fundamentals or cutting down on his Ks - it just doesn't happen at the MLB level. The only guy I can remember being successful at a transformation was Brian Downing. Also, comparing him to Manny is just plain unfair - Mike Schmidt wasn't the hitter Manny is (but very close).
Anyway, Ryan Howard is a good/great hitter, but I agree he will lack longevity and probably not a Hall of Famer to be. I am happy he is the Phils 1B - whare are ya gonna find someone better? Plus, he is the worst fielder I have ever seen.
Howard was huge tonight, got to give credit where credit is due...
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This is pretty funny comparing Ryan Howard to Dave Kingman of all people. Where in the world did you come up with Dave Kingman? Why not Rob Deer, Cecil Fielder, or any other power hitter that struck out alot?
In retrospect, Richie Sexson probably would have been more appropriate, since he is from the same era(more valid comparison)...especially since the teenieboppers like SteveK never saw Kingman play.
But Kong simply epitomizes that type of hitter, so why not.
MIAMI -- Ryan Howard has hit his 200th home run, reaching the milestone in fewer games than any player in major league history.
The Philadelphia Phillies' slugger achieved the feat in his 658th game, hitting his 23rd homer of the season in the sixth inning Thursday against Florida.
Ralph Kiner was previously the fastest player to reach 200 home runs. He did it in 706 games.
Howard is the eighth Phillies player to hit 200 homers.
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Unfortunately, Kingman had a whole bunch of .200 - .240 BA with 30-35 HR seasons, and that just wasn't good enough. Both players make Dick "Dr Strangeglove" Stuart look like Keith Hernandez in the field. The biggest difference I see is that Howard seems to be a respectable guy that is liked by teammates, media, fans, and the organization. Kingman was always in hot water with some or all of the above (remember the rat?). Even if Howard slips, he is more likely to do it gracefully and get more chances than Kingman did. Kingman hit 30+ Homers his last three seasons in baseball. I don't know if I can think of anyone else that accomplished that, unless there is a player that passed away early that I am forgetting. Howard will still have some work cut out for him to catch Kingman. One odd thing that I find is that when I was younger, the cutoff for the Hall of Fame was in the high 300's in homers. No player that had 400 homers was not in the Hall. And then guys like Kingman and Darrell Evans became eligible. Now there are a number of players that aren't even sniffing the Hall without a ticket that are over 400. Howard will likely join that group. A good career, but in the end, not Hall worthy. But few are.
Phillies slugger notched 11 homers, 33 RBIs in August
By Barry M. Bloom / MLB.com
09/03/09 6:21 PM ET
Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard has been selected as the Sharp Presents the National League Player of the Month for August. It is Howard's fourth career monthly award.
Howard batted .299 (32-for-107) with six doubles, one triple and 18 runs scored. He led the NL with 11 home runs and tied for the Major League lead with American League Player of Month Kendry Morales of the Angels at 33 RBIs for August.
Entering Thursday night's game against the Giants in Philadelphia, the 2006 NL Most Valuable Player has 214 career home runs, four shy of gaining sole possession of sixth place on the club's all-time list.
Overall, Howard is hitting .275 with 37 home runs, ranking him fourth in the Majors, and has already achieved a career-high 31 doubles and five stolen bases.
Howard looks like a guy who carries you when it counts. For all the bashing that other players receive for not being able to produce when it matters, below is his career numbers while playing on a playoff contending team.
Looks to me like he gets better as the year goes on, and flat rakes when the games are most important. He has carried them late, last year and this August. To me, this alone would seperate him from many other players considered in his class.
The best pitch to start a hitter off with is always strike one.
<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times. >>
<<< All he did was win player of the month. >>>
yea...and all he "also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season, and the Phillies have been a dam good ballclub ever since he arrived...that's no coincidence...come on...admit that you are wrong about Ryan Howard...confession is good for the soul.
<< <i>Howard looks like a guy who carries you when it counts. For all the bashing that other players receive for not being able to produce when it matters, below is his career numbers while playing on a playoff contending team.
Looks to me like he gets better as the year goes on, and flat rakes when the games are most important. He has carried them late, last year and this August. To me, this alone would seperate him from many other players considered in his class. >>
Somebody made a Mantle/Howard comment in another thread...no way I'm saying that Howard is as good as Mantle...no way...but great players step up to the occasion and that's what Mantle did and that's what Howard does...and someday I believe Ryan Howard will join Mickey Mantle in the Hall of Fame....in which Dave Kingman is there as well whenever he buys a ticket for admission.
<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times. >>
<<< All he did was win player of the month. >>>
yea...and all he "also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season, and the Phillies have been a dam good ballclub ever since he arrived...that's no coincidence...come on...admit that you are wrong about Ryan Howard...confession is good for the soul. >>
Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him
<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times. >>
<<< All he did was win player of the month. >>>
yea...and all he "also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season, and the Phillies have been a dam good ballclub ever since he arrived...that's no coincidence...come on...admit that you are wrong about Ryan Howard...confession is good for the soul. >>
Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him >>
Living in the past? Isn't the just awarded "Player of the Month" the present??
come on...confess your sin of badmouthing Ryan Howard and the Phillies.
<< <i>Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him >>
<< <i>Living in the past? Isn't the just awarded "Player of the Month" the present?? >>
Why yes of course it is. That's why I said:
<< <i>We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received >>
not about the past which you rehashed
<< <i>"also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season >>
(the past)
Now go say ten Hail Marys and drink lots of beer. I am...the beer part
<< <i>Looks to me like he gets better as the year goes on, and flat rakes when the games are most important >>
Anyone would agree he has had one good October in his career so far. But anyone who says games count for more in the standings in Septmber than in June is just being foolish
<< <i>Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him >>
<< <i>Living in the past? Isn't the just awarded "Player of the Month" the present?? >>
Why yes of course it is. That's why I said:
<< <i>We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received >>
not about the past which you rehashed
<< <i>"also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season >>
(the past)
Now go say ten Hail Marys and drink lots of beer. I am...the beer part >>
i confess...I drink too much beer...or maybe not enough? LOL
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I have to say, with what he has accomplished personally and what the team accomplishments are.....he's already half way to the Hall of Fame. If he can maintain his current numbers and the Phillies win two more titles in the next 5 years, the guy can walk away from the game and he'll be a lock for the Hall. The funny thing is, it's very possible it can happen. Yes, it's a team game but there are players that stand out from the championship teams. He's the chosen one amongst the group. Sorry to Jimmy and Chase, but Howard's the Big Dog.
The Ryan Howard bashers want to admit yet that they were wrong? And that the statement "Ryan Howard transformation to Dave Kingman" is just plain ignorant and silly.
Come on...you all can do it...just admit it...you'll feel better. LOL
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But, as you get a real job, I am going to help you financially and emotionally, so that you do not stake any money or more emotions into Howard.
You got lucky by staking your emotions into Howard...lucky that Chase Utely, Cole, and Lidge were on that team as the best players.
But that is gone. So the future is where we look now. The future for Howard is Dave Kingman and 2001 Greg Vaughn. He is extremely close to Kingman as we speak. 2001 Vaugh is only a few years away.
As for the Phillies future. They have a shot this year due to a weak division, and Chase Utley typical great play...and Ibanez playing out of his head. Howard is riding their coat tails with all the guys on base. No, you still don't understand that.
Three years from now, with 20 million going to a player who will be a below average MLB player, their chances are bleak. You will be seeing more Steve Jeltz years, unless they open up the bank.
BEWARE! Listen, you may not lose all your money again, and you may be happy...and just maybe find a female companion.
<< <i>I know that is all you care about, what else do teenagers have to do?
But, as you get a real job, I am going to help you financially and emotionally, so that you do not stake any money or more emotions into Howard.
You got lucky by staking your emotions into Howard...lucky that Chase Utely, Cole, and Lidge were on that team as the best players.
But that is gone. So the future is where we look now. The future for Howard is Dave Kingman and 2001 Greg Vaughn. He is extremely close to Kingman as we speak. 2001 Vaugh is only a few years away.
As for the Phillies future. They have a shot this year due to a weak division, and Chase Utley typical great play...and Ibanez playing out of his head. Howard is riding their coat tails with all the guys on base. No, you still don't understand that.
Three years from now, with 20 million going to a player who will be a below average MLB player, their chances are bleak. You will be seeing more Steve Jeltz years, unless they open up the bank.
BEWARE! Listen, you may not lose all your money again, and you may be happy...and just maybe find a female companion. >>
Howard did get a late start, blocked by Thome at 1b. He does play a solid first base, but the numbers don't lie. Over the next 4 to 6 years a decline is inevitable. Big guys with big swings don't age well.
If he grows a Kong stache, will you too? Well, at least maybe when you are old enough.
Just don't go out and invest in anything with Howard...you will lose.
This has been another public service announcement.
in that linuep he should have no less than 150 RBI yearly.....
image pujols in that lineup...200 rbi is a possibility
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The kid Hoopster is probably looking for that card on ebay. LOL
<< <i>I am a Phillies fan, but I wonder how the 4th or 5th best player on the Phils last year could finish runner up in the NL MVP race?
Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple. They should stick to creating stories and hype so that kids like SteveK have something to look forward to besides popping the next pimple.
If one wants to understand, then read that ridiculous Ryan Howard for MVP thread. Read Dallasactuary's posts, skip all the other ones, and it should be fairly easy to follow. No need to retype what was written there already. This thread is dedicated to Howard's transformation to Kong, which is nearly complete.
why keep ignoring that Kingman actually did a good job of maintaining the same ability as he aged? If Howard were to match Kingman's career trajectory that would mean he wouldn't slip too much from now until his mid-30s
<< <i>
<< <i>I am a Phillies fan, but I wonder how the 4th or 5th best player on the Phils last year could finish runner up in the NL MVP race?
Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple. They should stick to creating stories and hype so that kids like SteveK have something to look forward to besides popping the next pimple.
If one wants to understand, then read that ridiculous Ryan Howard for MVP thread. Read Dallasactuary's posts, skip all the other ones, and it should be fairly easy to follow. No need to retype what was written there already. This thread is dedicated to Howard's transformation to Kong, which is nearly complete. >>
<<< Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple >>>
Hoopster the boy genius has spoken. The writers are ignorant and he is the wise one.
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<<< Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple >>>
The writers are ignorant and he is the wise one. >>
Finally, you got something right.
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<< <i>I am a Phillies fan, but I wonder how the 4th or 5th best player on the Phils last year could finish runner up in the NL MVP race?
Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple. They should stick to creating stories and hype so that kids like SteveK have something to look forward to besides popping the next pimple.
If one wants to understand, then read that ridiculous Ryan Howard for MVP thread. Read Dallasactuary's posts, skip all the other ones, and it should be fairly easy to follow. No need to retype what was written there already. This thread is dedicated to Howard's transformation to Kong, which is nearly complete. >>
<<< Pure baseball ignorance on the writers part, plain and simple >>>
Hoopster the boy genius has spoken. The writers are ignorant and he is the wise one.
Well said - at least you and Hoopster agree on one thing. The writers got Sauer vs. Roberts correct, too!
<< <i>Hoops,
why keep ignoring that Kingman actually did a good job of maintaining the same ability as he aged? If Howard were to match Kingman's career trajectory that would mean he wouldn't slip too much from now until his mid-30s >>
It has nothing to do with Kingman's career trajectory!!!! All I am pointing out is that he is becoming Dave Kingman(albeit with a fantastic 2006 season that Kingman never had). And that it is the good lineup and luck that is fooling people into thinking he is much more than a Dave Kingman right now.
Howard had a fantastic year in 2006, then dropped to a very good one in 2007. Some good luck hitting with men on last year, coupled with a plethora of opportunites, gave Howard a boat load of RBI, thus fooling everyone into thinking that he is as good as he has been. However, when you understand his RBI total, you see that he is actually morphing into a Dave Kingman who happens to be in a great lineup. But these guys don't see that. They still see the RBI total(and are still blind as to why that is occuring. They say they understand, but then go ahead and post an RBI total with ignorance as to the context).
As for his career path, he is only going to get worse. When that smidge of bat speed goes, he will be awful.
I am saying he will be more of a 2001/2002 Greg Vaughn by the time he is 34-35, hovering with an OPS+ from 100 to 85ish or lower.
It could get ugly quick for Howard.
Basically, when it is all said and done, he will be far closer to Dave Kingman, than to the HOF sluggers, or Pujols...whom these mopes have the stupidity of comparing him too(using RBI total as the barometer, LOL)...and even saying that they would rather have Howard over Pujols because he fits their team better. Stupidity. He isn't a shooting guard that is a better or willing defender(which I won't elaborate on because these guys won't get it).
Any chance Ryan Howard turns into a David Ortiz from a few years back ?
Ortiz started off slow in Minnesota, then came to Boston and made a few adjustments in his swing. The results are history.
Howard looks very unbalanced in his stance. His legs look wobbly when he is set to hit. If he changes that, I'm sure his hands
will be more steady coming through the zone. Reggie Jackson had a very steady stance, but just couldn't catch up with the outside
pitch because he wanted to pull everything. Ryan on the other hand will go to left field much more then Reggie.
The main difference between them is that Ortiz had THREE years like Howard's best season....slugging over .600 and getting on near/over .400. Ortiz showed that his best wasn't a fluke, and that he was for real, until lately where he isn't the same.
In Howard's case, his 2006 season where he truly was a great hitter(on his merit, and not based on the merit of his teammates providing tons of RBI chances), it may have been simply a career spike happening right away in 2006, or it may be the case where the league figured him out soon after that.
With Howard you see a drop in OPS+ from 167 to 144, to 124, and this year it is 119 so far. This measures HIM, not his teammates!!
But what coincided with that drop in OPS+ is a drop in plate discipline in each year. It is this that is hinting that the pitchers have figured him out a bit. His Strikeout/Walk ratio is getting worse each year.
Howard's Strikeout/BB ratio. The lower the better.
2006....1.68
2007....1.86
2008....2.46
2009....2.88
The league very well may have simply figured him out. With any drop in bat speed(which comes in your 30's), he could turn bad quickly.
Check out Ortiz's SO/BB ratios starting with his breakout 2003 season.
2003....1.43
2004....1.77
2005....1.22
2006....0.98
2007....0.93
2008....1.06
2009....1.89
Ortiz was far different. Once he reached his level, he kept it there.
He is able to go to left field quite well. I think someone has to work with his stance. He is just so off balanced at the plate. Watch
the way Manny Ramirez stays still throughout his set position and swing. Then watch how Ryan Howard gets so herky jerky when
some difficult pitches come his way.
<< <i>Very interesting comparison between Ortiz and Howard. If Ryan can cut down on his strikeouts, then he would be an incredible hitter.
He is able to go to left field quite well. I think someone has to work with his stance. He is just so off balanced at the plate. Watch
the way Manny Ramirez stays still throughout his set position and swing. Then watch how Ryan Howard gets so herky jerky when
some difficult pitches come his way. >>
At Ryan's age, he has almost no chance of changing his basic fundamentals or cutting down on his Ks - it just doesn't happen at the MLB level. The only guy I can remember being successful at a transformation was Brian Downing. Also, comparing him to Manny is just plain unfair - Mike Schmidt wasn't the hitter Manny is (but very close).
Anyway, Ryan Howard is a good/great hitter, but I agree he will lack longevity and probably not a Hall of Famer to be. I am happy he is the Phils 1B - whare are ya gonna find someone better? Plus, he is the worst fielder I have ever seen.
Be fair Hoops no one ever said that. What they did say was that they were content having Howard, no on made any claim that they
would prefer Howard over Pujols. They basically did not want to get into what if they had Pujols......
Steve
<< <i>..and even saying that they would rather have Howard over Pujols because he fits their team better.
Be fair Hoops no one ever said that. What they did say was that they were content having Howard, no on made any claim that they
would prefer Howard over Pujols. They basically did not want to get into what if they had Pujols......
Steve >>
You're right, fair enough.
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<< <i>I felt in light of his clutch K just a minute ago this thread needed to be pulled back to the top... >>
Did Kingman even get into an AS game?
And he was steroid-free, LOL!!
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In retrospect, Richie Sexson probably would have been more appropriate, since he is from the same era(more valid comparison)...especially since the teenieboppers like SteveK never saw Kingman play.
But Kong simply epitomizes that type of hitter, so why not.
The Philadelphia Phillies' slugger achieved the feat in his 658th game, hitting his 23rd homer of the season in the sixth inning Thursday against Florida.
Ralph Kiner was previously the fastest player to reach 200 home runs. He did it in 706 games.
Howard is the eighth Phillies player to hit 200 homers.
Any HR accomplishment in this era, in relation to the history of other era's, must be taken with a grain of salt.
Ryan Richie Kingman Howard hits HR's well...too bad he sucks at pretty much everything else. Hence, his new name.
1979 Cubs 97 Runs 48 HR's 115 RBI's 131 K's .288 BA .613 SLG .956 OPS
1984 A's 68 Runs 35 HR's 118 RBI's 119 K's .268 BA .505 SLG .826 OPS
Unfortunately, Kingman had a whole bunch of .200 - .240 BA with 30-35 HR seasons, and that just wasn't good enough. Both players make Dick "Dr Strangeglove" Stuart look like Keith Hernandez in the field. The biggest difference I see is that Howard seems to be a respectable guy that is liked by teammates, media, fans, and the organization. Kingman was always in hot water with some or all of the above (remember the rat?). Even if Howard slips, he is more likely to do it gracefully and get more chances than Kingman did. Kingman hit 30+ Homers his last three seasons in baseball. I don't know if I can think of anyone else that accomplished that, unless there is a player that passed away early that I am forgetting. Howard will still have some work cut out for him to catch Kingman. One odd thing that I find is that when I was younger, the cutoff for the Hall of Fame was in the high 300's in homers. No player that had 400 homers was not in the Hall. And then guys like Kingman and Darrell Evans became eligible. Now there are a number of players that aren't even sniffing the Hall without a ticket that are over 400. Howard will likely join that group. A good career, but in the end, not Hall worthy. But few are.
Phillies slugger notched 11 homers, 33 RBIs in August
By Barry M. Bloom / MLB.com
09/03/09 6:21 PM ET
Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard has been selected as the Sharp Presents the National League Player of the Month for August. It is Howard's fourth career monthly award.
Howard batted .299 (32-for-107) with six doubles, one triple and 18 runs scored. He led the NL with 11 home runs and tied for the Major League lead with American League Player of Month Kendry Morales of the Angels at 33 RBIs for August.
Entering Thursday night's game against the Giants in Philadelphia, the 2006 NL Most Valuable Player has 214 career home runs, four shy of gaining sole possession of sixth place on the club's all-time list.
Overall, Howard is hitting .275 with 37 home runs, ranking him fourth in the Majors, and has already achieved a career-high 31 doubles and five stolen bases.
<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times.
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July: .296/.401/.591, 39 HR
August: .286/.374/.584, 44 HR
September: .317/.435/.716, 44 HR
Looks to me like he gets better as the year goes on, and flat rakes when the games are most important. He has carried them late, last year and this August. To me, this alone would seperate him from many other players considered in his class.
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<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times. >>
<<< All he did was win player of the month. >>>
yea...and all he "also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season, and the Phillies have been a dam good ballclub ever since he arrived...that's no coincidence...come on...admit that you are wrong about Ryan Howard...confession is good for the soul.
<< <i>Howard looks like a guy who carries you when it counts. For all the bashing that other players receive for not being able to produce when it matters, below is his career numbers while playing on a playoff contending team.
July: .296/.401/.591, 39 HR
August: .286/.374/.584, 44 HR
September: .317/.435/.716, 44 HR
Looks to me like he gets better as the year goes on, and flat rakes when the games are most important. He has carried them late, last year and this August. To me, this alone would seperate him from many other players considered in his class. >>
Somebody made a Mantle/Howard comment in another thread...no way I'm saying that Howard is as good as Mantle...no way...but great players step up to the occasion and that's what Mantle did and that's what Howard does...and someday I believe Ryan Howard will join Mickey Mantle in the Hall of Fame....in which Dave Kingman is there as well whenever he buys a ticket for admission.
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<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times. >>
<<< All he did was win player of the month. >>>
yea...and all he "also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season, and the Phillies have been a dam good ballclub ever since he arrived...that's no coincidence...come on...admit that you are wrong about Ryan Howard...confession is good for the soul. >>
Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
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<< <i>Let's see if some here will admit that they were wrong. >>
All he did was win player of the month.
Did they have that award back when Kingman played? If they did, I'm sure he would have won it a few times. >>
<<< All he did was win player of the month. >>>
yea...and all he "also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season, and the Phillies have been a dam good ballclub ever since he arrived...that's no coincidence...come on...admit that you are wrong about Ryan Howard...confession is good for the soul. >>
Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him
Living in the past? Isn't the just awarded "Player of the Month" the present??
come on...confess your sin of badmouthing Ryan Howard and the Phillies.
<< <i>Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him
<< <i>Living in the past? Isn't the just awarded "Player of the Month" the present?? >>
Why yes of course it is. That's why I said:
<< <i>We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received >>
not about the past which you rehashed
<< <i>"also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season >>
(the past)
Now go say ten Hail Marys and drink lots of beer. I am...the beer part
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>Looks to me like he gets better as the year goes on, and flat rakes when the games are most important >>
Anyone would agree he has had one good October in his career so far. But anyone who says games count for more in the standings in Septmber than in June is just being foolish
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<< <i>Stop living in the past Steve. We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received that prompted you to dredge up this thread.
Looks like you're the one who needs to go see Father O'malley for confession. Just don't turn your back on him
<< <i>Living in the past? Isn't the just awarded "Player of the Month" the present?? >>
Why yes of course it is. That's why I said:
<< <i>We are talking about the player of the month award that he just received >>
not about the past which you rehashed
<< <i>"also" did was win a MVP, win HR titles, win RBI titles, help to win a WS championship last season >>
(the past)
Now go say ten Hail Marys and drink lots of beer. I am...the beer part
i confess...I drink too much beer...or maybe not enough? LOL
<< <i>2006....1.68
2007....1.86
2008....2.46
2009....2.88 >>
2005-Rookie of The Year
2006-Most Valuable Player
2007-NL East Title
2008-World Series Champs
2009-NL East Title
I have to say, with what he has accomplished personally and what the team accomplishments are.....he's already half way to the Hall of Fame. If he can maintain his current numbers and the Phillies win two more titles in the next 5 years, the guy can walk away from the game and he'll be a lock for the Hall. The funny thing is, it's very possible it can happen. Yes, it's a team game but there are players that stand out from the championship teams. He's the chosen one amongst the group. Sorry to Jimmy and Chase, but Howard's the Big Dog.
Come on...you all can do it...just admit it...you'll feel better. LOL
Dave Kingman career OPS+ : 115
Really not that close.
CLUTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<< <i>Clutch City Howard comes through again when it counts the most. Pujols is yet again watching the Phils from home in the post season.
CLUTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
100!
I gotta admit -- Howard has really stepped up after I started the "Is Howard the next Rob Deer" thread last year.
Plus, his Subway commercials are funny!