<< <i>I sold a couple of more today. I am down to 6 4/21's that I am willing to sell but the price is going up today . I really don't care about selling them anyway. Will hold 12 good date boxes for myself. >>
I just opened one of my boxes of 4/21 for the heck of it. I found 1 die crack so it was not a terrible loss.
You are lucky, I have opened about 40 rolls that contained nothing but I have also opened a lot that were loaded as you will see on Tuesday when I show my MS67 list of 34 coins when they arrive from ANACS.
I finished opening the last of my 34 boxes and here are the results:
93 CDDR-001 (EXTRA THUMB) 29 CDDR-002 (SIXTH FINGER) 95 CDDR-003 44 CDDR-004 36 CDDR-004 WITH MALLET DIE CRACK 14 LARGE DIE CRACK (AT NGC NOW) 88 CHIN DIE CLASH
I have separated 10 cddr-001, 7 cddr-002, 5 cddr-003 and 4 cddr-004 and 8 cddr-004 with die crack worthy of grading. 34 coins ready for PCGS or NGC to designate them.
Some of the other varieties I didn't look for. A quick look for the easily noticeable ones. MY EYES ARE OLD
1 box of 4/14 0 5 boxes of 4/16 14 large die crack 5 boxes of 4/20 42 cddr-004, 34 with the mallet die break 2 boxes of 4/21 0 8 boxes of 4/27 71 cddr-001, 7 cddr-002, 78 cddr-003, 69 chin die clash 5 boxes of 4/29 0 8 boxes of 4/30 22 cddr-001, 22 cddr-002, 17 cddr-003, 38 cddr-004, 19 chin die clash
I have opened 90 boxes at this point. I still have 15 more to open. I have 3 rolls with errors showing on both ends from 4/30 boxes and I just bought one on ebay last night with an 001 on one end and heads showing on other end for $75.
I have not looked for any other errors than 001 and 002.
<< <i>Does all this mean that these errors are fairly common? >>
IMO, I believe it is going to depend on whether or not these are only found in the Mint Issued sets with certain dated boxes. If this is the case and they are rarely found in circulation bank wrapped rolls/boxes then I believe it won't be such a common find but a rarity.
I have been saying right along that there is not as many of these things as everyone is saying there is. Some people like me have a lot of them because we have been buying them from the beginning. Now the prices have started to climb as more people are getting involved and want to get in on the action. Everyone watching the PCGS forum should have an ample supply, if and when, the coins get a good head of steam.
I open a box of 9774 08:26 04/28 yesterday and found 6-001's. I am going to open a box of 9883 07:17 4/23 after the Red Sox game is over. I will let you know the results.
<< <i>You wanna wholesale any of those CDDR-02s to me? >>
No, those are the hard one's to get. I only have about 160 of them and what have not been shipped to ANACS will be after I get my first batch back on Tuesday.
<< <i>And what are you going to do with all the D rolls? >>
I sold 20 rolls early on and still have the rest. I also have about 5000 P mint coins to look through for all the other assorted errors if they are going to be worth anything.
<< <i>Bids, and new listings have been sluggish, today. Eveyone must be out for the day or started vacation.
I saw boxes today sell for $18, the same date 3 days ago sold for $61. >>
I don't know why eBay was so slow. We bought a few boxes for around that price last night. At the same time the auctions that we had ending we got killed on, and they were bullion items! I think it is just SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
I believe they are looking at the end coin through the holes in the box using a small camera. Am I correct in this? It sure would not work on sealed 2 roll sets.
<< <i>I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 . >>
I've bought 100 or thereabout LP2's and found plenty of 'secondary errors' mostly double thumbs.
I still have about 65 unopened "good dated" boxes---4/17 through 4/30.
So here's the question: would you sell these remaining boxes or open them and search them?? I enjoy the search, but the errors are selling for so little it hardly seems worth it.
Also, second question: what do you suppose the big buyers of LP2's intend to do........search or sell unopened????
<< <i>I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 . >>
I've bought 100 or thereabout LP2's and found plenty of 'secondary errors' mostly double thumbs.
I still have about 65 unopened "good dated" boxes---4/17 through 4/30.
So here's the question: would you sell these remaining boxes or open them and search them?? I enjoy the search, but the errors are selling for so little it hardly seems worth it.
Also, second question: what do you suppose the big buyers of LP2's intend to do........search or sell unopened????
Thanks >>
I don't see the boxes getting too much over what you can get from the single coins in the future. Saving the sealed boxes for a big profit is not the right move to me. You might not get what you think and then you might see a thread on here how they found a ms68 from one of your boxes. As far as the big 1000 box sales I believe they will be searched and sent to ICG and sold for moon money on HSN by those ridiculous pitchmen.
<< <i>I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 . >>
I've bought 100 or thereabout LP2's and found plenty of 'secondary errors' mostly double thumbs.
I still have about 65 unopened "good dated" boxes---4/17 through 4/30.
So here's the question: would you sell these remaining boxes or open them and search them?? I enjoy the search, but the errors are selling for so little it hardly seems worth it.
Also, second question: what do you suppose the big buyers of LP2's intend to do........search or sell unopened????
Thanks >>
I don't see the boxes getting too much over what you can get from the single coins in the future. Saving the sealed boxes for a big profit is not the right move to me. You might not get what you think and then you might see a thread on here how they found a ms68 from one of your boxes. As far as the big 1000 box sales I believe they will be searched and sent to ICG and sold for moon money on HSN by those ridiculous pitchmen. >>
You would have to have the right date/inspector/AND time range boxes, AND have that info widely known. That info is still held in a very few hands imo. You would have to open hundreds of boxes and catalogue what variety came out of which box to really get an idea. I wouldnt save unopened boxes as the few that have the knowledge wouldnt bid it up very high on ebay.
ICG will NOT be getting them. They no longer answer the phone and I'm not sure if they are in business any longer. Figure HSN AND print ads. The vast majority of collectors have no idea about these coins. I figure 1-13 will be the promo coins. The later stuff I'm not hearing where its coming from and may be from early date reg production boxes or not. Dont see any large numbers of them for sale anywhere so they wont be the ones.
On a side note a dealer friend found a wddr17 all by its lonesome in a formative box in the good date range. He had 5 boxes all packed at the same time and found just the one coin. Maybe its one they found the error on and destroyed the vast majority with just a few survivors. Its kind of in the middle of all the dates being searched, so in all likelyhood either most were found and destroyed or they may be found in another mint product somewhere. I have yet to personally see any found in "special" mint rolls errors turn up in production coinage. I think it denotes some sort of quaranteening. I know the small date 60 and 70 stuff was, but those were working hubs and there was no special roll or bag order programs.
As to mintages. Everyones estimates are based on the memorial reverse die life. We have seen many cracked dies on the formatives which are rare in the later memorials. I've heard guestimates of 20k to 100k for each error. I would think the larger errors like wexler 1,2,3,6,7,11, & 13 would have very shortened lifespans due to being larger errors on the die in the first place. This would create more stress. Just a laymans opinion on that since I've never done an in depth die life study.
I have checked a lot of the 5 box sales on ebay and find many if not most have 2 different minutes spanned by those boxes. Figure max 8 boxes packed a minute over an 8 hour day. Some of the errors are being reported only being found over a 2 day span, while others are found here and there. The 2 day coins with an average of 10 coins per roll comes up around 75k coins if only found in one inspector code box and 150k if found in both inspectors boxes. I know the 8 per minute is a little high as is the 10 per box since most of the reports per type are 7-8 max. I think the 20-100k is close.
I had 5 boxes dated 4/27. I searched 3 and still have 2 unopened. I averaged about 25 errors per P roll so about 75 errors out of the 3 P rolls. Mostly cddr-001/wddr-003/wddr-001and the neck crack. I never searched the obverse on any of these. What would the other unopened boxes be worth knowing this?
<< <i>I had 5 boxes dated 4/27. I searched 3 and still have 2 unopened. I averaged about 25 errors per P roll so about 75 errors out of the 3 P rolls. Mostly cddr-001/wddr-003/wddr-001and the neck crack. I never searched the obverse on any of these. What would the other unopened boxes be worth knowing this? >>
So around 6 per variety per roll? The neck crack is seen in a lot of dates I have heard. Doesnt matter what you tell people though, they will probably only want to buy the errors in confirmed state whether in bulk or singles. Very few people trust others nowadays especially on ebay.
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5/6/09 $49.99
CDDR-009 showing on end of roll $175
4/27/09 $32.09 & $33.09
4/29/09 $49.99
selected dates are on the move, the 5/6 ???
<< <i>I sold a couple of more today. I am down to 6 4/21's that I am willing to sell but the price is going up today . I really don't care about selling them anyway. Will hold 12 good date boxes for myself. >>
I just opened one of my boxes of 4/21 for the heck of it. I found 1 die crack so it was not a terrible loss.
Until I bought a 6/8 box, and nothing but horribly spotted coins. Every single coin had black spots.
You are lucky, I have opened about 40 rolls that contained nothing but I have also opened a lot that were loaded as you will see on Tuesday when I show my MS67 list of 34 coins when they arrive from ANACS.
<< <i> I haven't been skunked on any roll I've opened. >>
Wow!.....That's weird (and lucky)
<< <i> you will see on Tuesday when I show my MS67 list of 34 coins >>
Ummmmm.....you nailed thirty freakin' four 67's????? I AM impressed
I am real happy. I will get them Tuesday.
I was wrong:
36 67's
32 66's
10 65's
1 64
1 63
I don't know yet how many of these are 001's and how many are 002'2's but they are mixed all the way down the list of 80.
The one's I picked out did not have them. I went through about 300 coins to send those in.
If errors; you found 300 errors? How many boxes did you open?
93 CDDR-001 (EXTRA THUMB)
29 CDDR-002 (SIXTH FINGER)
95 CDDR-003
44 CDDR-004
36 CDDR-004 WITH MALLET DIE CRACK
14 LARGE DIE CRACK (AT NGC NOW)
88 CHIN DIE CLASH
I have separated 10 cddr-001, 7 cddr-002, 5 cddr-003 and 4 cddr-004 and 8 cddr-004 with die crack worthy of grading.
34 coins ready for PCGS or NGC to designate them.
Some of the other varieties I didn't look for.
A quick look for the easily noticeable ones. MY EYES ARE OLD
1 box of 4/14 0
5 boxes of 4/16 14 large die crack
5 boxes of 4/20 42 cddr-004, 34 with the mallet die break
2 boxes of 4/21 0
8 boxes of 4/27 71 cddr-001, 7 cddr-002, 78 cddr-003, 69 chin die clash
5 boxes of 4/29 0
8 boxes of 4/30 22 cddr-001, 22 cddr-002, 17 cddr-003, 38 cddr-004, 19 chin die clash
Joe
I have not looked for any other errors than 001 and 002.
<< <i>Does all this mean that these errors are fairly common? >>
Depends.....If you go through near 5000 coins like Pitboss you will find a bunch
...................If you go through 200 coins you may find zero ( my personal record is 4 straight rolls with NADA)
If you get a bunch you may think they are common, if you get none your opinion may be different
<< <i>Does all this mean that these errors are fairly common? >>
IMO, I believe it is going to depend on whether or not these are only found in the Mint Issued sets with certain dated boxes. If this is the case and they are rarely found in circulation bank wrapped rolls/boxes then I believe it won't be such a common find but a rarity.
I have been saying right along that there is not as many of these things as everyone is saying there is. Some people like me have a lot of them because we have been buying them from the beginning. Now the prices have started to climb as more people are getting involved and want to get in on the action. Everyone watching the PCGS forum should have an ample supply, if and when, the coins get a good head of steam.
I open a box of 9774 08:26 04/28 yesterday and found 6-001's.
I am going to open a box of 9883 07:17 4/23 after the Red Sox game is over. I will let you know the results.
Big ZERO guys.
<< <i>Fired up the dino lite and looked at that roll;
Big ZERO guys. >>
Interesting; I had a box from almost the same time 9883 and it had 003s & 004s
9774 10:30 4/30 3-003
9774 07:58 4.30 -0-
9774 13:16 4/28 -0-
9774 07:11 4/30 10-001 8-002 6-003
9883 07:39 4/30 5-001 6-002 11-003
9883 07:40 4/30 14-001 7-002 5-003
Hard to figure out where they are , the two 4/30 47 minutes apart went from 24 errors to zero.
I'm tired at looking at coins. Hope this helps you!
<< <i>You wanna wholesale any of those CDDR-02s to me? >>
No, those are the hard one's to get. I only have about 160 of them and what have not been shipped to ANACS will be after I get my first batch back on Tuesday.
I lost count but I know it is over 100 by now.
<< <i>And what are you going to do with all the D rolls?
Dunkin Donuts and the penny slots.
Joe
<< <i>And what are you going to do with all the D rolls?
I sold 20 rolls early on and still have the rest. I also have about 5000 P mint coins to look through for all the other assorted errors if they are going to be worth anything.
<< <i>s. I am going to open a box of 9883 07:17 4/23 after the Red Sox game is over. >>
Hmmm...I just came back from the Red Sox game (great seat Loge 115 behind the dugout) and found out I just bought 2 4/16's, 2 4/20's a 4/24 and a 4/30
I need a sponsor...I am addicted....but I can stop any time I want
I saw boxes today sell for $18, the same date 3 days ago sold for $61.
<< <i>I saw boxes today sell for $18, the same date 3 days ago sold for $61. >>
I know....None of my prime date purchases went over $25 inc. shipping
<< <i>Bids, and new listings have been sluggish, today. Eveyone must be out for the day or started vacation.
I saw boxes today sell for $18, the same date 3 days ago sold for $61. >>
What dates are you speaking of???
<< <i>Bids, and new listings have been sluggish, today. Eveyone must be out for the day or started vacation.
I saw boxes today sell for $18, the same date 3 days ago sold for $61. >>
I don't know why eBay was so slow. We bought a few boxes for around that price last night. At the same time the auctions that we had ending we got killed on, and they were bullion items! I think it is just SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 .
The 4/30's were $124.95 with free shipping.
<< <i>The 4/30's were $124.95 with free shipping. >>
Nice buy; I hope they weren't already searched.
I hope not either but that is the chance you take.
<< <i> Nice buy; I hope they weren't already searched. >>
Please let me in on the secret technique for searching a sealed roll in a sealed box (without CIA involvement)
I believe they are looking at the end coin through the holes in the box using a small camera.
Am I correct in this? It sure would not work on sealed 2 roll sets.
<< <i>I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 . >>
I've bought 100 or thereabout LP2's and found plenty of 'secondary errors' mostly double thumbs.
I still have about 65 unopened "good dated" boxes---4/17 through 4/30.
So here's the question: would you sell these remaining boxes or open them and search them?? I enjoy the search, but the errors are selling for so little it hardly seems worth it.
Also, second question: what do you suppose the big buyers of LP2's intend to do........search or sell unopened????
Thanks
<< <i>
<< <i>I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 . >>
I've bought 100 or thereabout LP2's and found plenty of 'secondary errors' mostly double thumbs.
I still have about 65 unopened "good dated" boxes---4/17 through 4/30.
So here's the question: would you sell these remaining boxes or open them and search them?? I enjoy the search, but the errors are selling for so little it hardly seems worth it.
Also, second question: what do you suppose the big buyers of LP2's intend to do........search or sell unopened????
Thanks >>
I don't see the boxes getting too much over what you can get from the single coins in the future. Saving the sealed boxes for a big profit is not the right move to me. You might not get what you think and then you might see a thread on here how they found a ms68 from one of your boxes. As far as the big 1000 box sales I believe they will be searched and sent to ICG and sold for moon money on HSN by those ridiculous pitchmen.
I was a Monkey
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<< <i>I picked up a bunch of good date boxes last night including 5 -4/30 . >>
I've bought 100 or thereabout LP2's and found plenty of 'secondary errors' mostly double thumbs.
I still have about 65 unopened "good dated" boxes---4/17 through 4/30.
So here's the question: would you sell these remaining boxes or open them and search them?? I enjoy the search, but the errors are selling for so little it hardly seems worth it.
Also, second question: what do you suppose the big buyers of LP2's intend to do........search or sell unopened????
Thanks >>
I don't see the boxes getting too much over what you can get from the single coins in the future. Saving the sealed boxes for a big profit is not the right move to me. You might not get what you think and then you might see a thread on here how they found a ms68 from one of your boxes. As far as the big 1000 box sales I believe they will be searched and sent to ICG and sold for moon money on HSN by those ridiculous pitchmen. >>
You would have to have the right date/inspector/AND time range boxes, AND have that info widely known. That info is still held in a very few hands imo. You would have to open hundreds of boxes and catalogue what variety came out of which box to really get an idea.
I wouldnt save unopened boxes as the few that have the knowledge wouldnt bid it up very high on ebay.
ICG will NOT be getting them. They no longer answer the phone and I'm not sure if they are in business any longer.
Figure HSN AND print ads.
The vast majority of collectors have no idea about these coins. I figure 1-13 will be the promo coins. The later stuff I'm not hearing where its coming from and may be from early date reg production boxes or not. Dont see any large numbers of them for sale anywhere so they wont be the ones.
On a side note a dealer friend found a wddr17 all by its lonesome in a formative box in the good date range. He had 5 boxes all packed at the same time and found just the one coin. Maybe its one they found the error on and destroyed the vast majority with just a few survivors. Its kind of in the middle of all the dates being searched, so in all likelyhood either most were found and destroyed or they may be found in another mint product somewhere. I have yet to personally see any found in "special" mint rolls errors turn up in production coinage. I think it denotes some sort of quaranteening. I know the small date 60 and 70 stuff was, but those were working hubs and there was no special roll or bag order programs.
As to mintages. Everyones estimates are based on the memorial reverse die life. We have seen many cracked dies on the formatives which are rare in the later memorials. I've heard guestimates of 20k to 100k for each error. I would think the larger errors like wexler 1,2,3,6,7,11, & 13 would have very shortened lifespans due to being larger errors on the die in the first place. This would create more stress. Just a laymans opinion on that since I've never done an in depth die life study.
I have checked a lot of the 5 box sales on ebay and find many if not most have 2 different minutes spanned by those boxes. Figure max 8 boxes packed a minute over an 8 hour day. Some of the errors are being reported only being found over a 2 day span, while others are found here and there. The 2 day coins with an average of 10 coins per roll comes up around 75k coins if only found in one inspector code box and 150k if found in both inspectors boxes. I know the 8 per minute is a little high as is the 10 per box since most of the reports per type are 7-8 max. I think the 20-100k is close.
<< <i>I had 5 boxes dated 4/27. I searched 3 and still have 2 unopened. I averaged about 25 errors per P roll so about 75 errors out of the 3 P rolls. Mostly cddr-001/wddr-003/wddr-001and the neck crack. I never searched the obverse on any of these. What would the other unopened boxes be worth knowing this? >>
So around 6 per variety per roll? The neck crack is seen in a lot of dates I have heard.
Doesnt matter what you tell people though, they will probably only want to buy the errors in confirmed state whether in bulk or singles.
Very few people trust others nowadays especially on ebay.