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I Thought My Coin was a Stunner....

I was mistaken she is Drop Dead Gorgeous!!! This pic does not even do her justice on hand...She just arrived today.Thanks Paul!image Oops sorry i forgot the grade: ANACS AU55
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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is gorgeous. Good luck with it and enjoy!

    Wow...
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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VERY Nice coin image

    What does she grade?

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    GrandAm :)
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    I hope it has much more original luster. Pretty rim coloring.
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  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Superb . . . . a real WOW!!!

    I'll second the grade question . . .

    Drunner
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    ANACS AU55
    Crazy colors image
  • It's got to be at least a 64!!!image
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  • PaleElfPaleElf Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Drop Dead Gorgeous!!! >>



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  • AT obverse...

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  • Beautiful!
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  • << <i>That is gorgeous. Good luck with it and enjoy!

    Wow... >>



    A bit too made up for my taste. I prefer my ladies to be the all-natural type. She has had a bit too extreme of a makeover.

    merse

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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Perhaps if the contrast of the picture hadn't been turned up on max we'd have a better idea of what the coin actually looks like. It probably is pretty but in the effort to "show off" what is good about the coin you are also showing off what is bad about it.

    Take some more pics, try different lighting and leave the contrast adjustment alone.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with what Realone has already said.
    LCoopie = Les
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I'm just guessing that the OBV looks more like this... (I took the liberty of trying to detweak your pic to what I think it might look like)... you can shoot me later if I offend you. I'd bet if your pics looked closer to this some of the responses in the thread might not have been so harsh.

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  • razzlerazzle Posts: 987 ✭✭✭
    Someone asked in another thread what we wanted Santa to bring. The Isabella would have been my choice. Wish I had it.
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,094 ✭✭✭
    Thanks, Joe. I am glad to hear you like it as well. Being the one who took the photos and sold him the coin, I can tell you that the photos were slightly juiced to make it look more like it does in hand. While doing this, the white parts look washed out, but they look nice in hand. It really is a nice, original coin. There are some light hairlines, which probably caused it to net to 55, which is common for this issue. It is a really nice coin in hand, and NT in my opinion.

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  • Nice color in the photo, and the OP says it's better than that. Waht's not to like? image
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  • lsicalsica Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭✭
    May have been cleaned at one point (or the pic may just be washed out), but that toning is NT
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For those who think that the lead coin in this thread is an MS-64, this coin is a PCGS MS-64. An MS-64 must have luster in the fields.

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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Cool die crack Bill.

    I still like the coin in the OP but just don't think it looks like the picture shows it. Maybe an old dip and retoned or maybe not.

    That said though, I am a sucker for colorful AU Izzy's... here is mine PCGS AU58

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  • << <i>I'm just guessing that the OBV looks more like this... (I took the liberty of trying to detweak your pic to what I think it might look like)... you can shoot me later if I offend you. I'd bet if your pics looked closer to this some of the responses in the thread might not have been so harsh.

    image >>



    Sorry guys i cant take a descent pic for the life of me. The Original Pic which is the sellers pic on the Very top of this thread is much closer to the actual coin less the lighting and flash ofcourse and still very attractive.Sorry nothing like the pic on this reply.No offense taken Rich. Most Probably dipped at one time and retoned. NT in my opinion and others that i have asked who specializes in NT coins before i purchased this from Paul. image I love your Isabela as well Richardship.image
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977
    The image leads me to believe cleaned and AT'd. Sorry, but I call them as I see them. I've been collecting commems for years and this one is not right.
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    It does look to have been dipped way back when, and then put in an album for many years. I like it! Great eye appeal!
    Nice pickup Joe image
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    sweet...i remember paul first posting it...and if i was to of had an isabella...that would be the one
    congrats
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's most certainly a dipped AU. Whether or not the coin is AT I don't know since I don't have that much faith in my ability to interpret the images.
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  • "An MS-64 must have luster in the fields." PCGS has published this as part of their grading criteria? If so i would like to see it as I think it would be a good thing so we could understand how their grades are arrived at.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,653 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I was mistaken she is Drop Dead Gorgeous!!! This pic does not even do her justice on hand...She just arrived today.Thanks Paul!image Oops sorry i forgot the grade: ANACS AU55
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    Stunner??? You betcha, Joe!!!! image

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    perfectionism plaques this hobby at it's core

    the debate of at or nt truly need not apply

    not to hijack this thread and beautifull isabella here but i bought this slq knowing it's at...even paid good $$$ for it...not by much though

    but sometimes...at/nt just doesn't matter as beauty is to the eye of the beholder...here bash my slq and leave that gorgeous isabella alone
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    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • I love that SLQ!imageimageimage
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    <<<Who would you buy a SLQ or any coin knowing it is at, and supporting the coin doctoring problem on top of it
    This is where our hobby turns to crap. a collector knowingly supporting crap behavior
    I can understand if you weren't aware and made an innocent mistake. >>>

    you crack me up realone

    it gets better...darn near any airplane you hop on to fly has a part made by such a fool too...lots n lots of landing gear rely on such a fool too
    ya know that c-17 was even proto-typed with such a fools insights and my h.a.r.m qualification work well it's team that was happy too

    coins...i don't speak for others...this is a coin forum and all
    but ponder why others speak for others as if...as if they've the only one with an i.q.
    to think of all the collectors who'd laff at the humble lil meek sector who are proud of their mashed in coins in folders that they are proud of only found in circulation

    i liked that slq...i bought it...laff at me all you want...call me names or partake a luara's stance and cry tha sky is falling

    the hobby goes on...happy new years to you too
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    sorry for being harsh but sometimes...nah...not sometimes...it is an important thing to all...humility and not taking things too seriously

    enjoy what ya like...let others stand as they do...it keeps um busy

    i'm just not important enough in my own mind that i could move a mountain or kill this hobby...a village idiot per se...but a happy one and you've no clue if you think i matter in the coinworld

    i'd rather not even read books on coins so that those who do have something new to share with me...it keeps something alive...i do my part

    my love of my kids,ladies and motorcycles far outweigh coins

    i will ad a final point though...i'm happy alot of ol coin doctors conserved alot of coins before our times when i look at some that never got the loving they needed and contamination destoryed um...i like dipping as a machinist...it just makes sense
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is another PCGS MS-64 Isabella quarter that is nicer than the first one I posted. This piece has original never dipped surfaces. There is some color in the toning, but the type of color that bring a premium. Still the message here is the color on the first piece that started this thread is too bright to be original.

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  • All i can say is i am happy with this Isabella and i just wanted to share with you the colors that makes her stand out. She might have been or not ...maybe so ...maybe not...but in the end She just makes me smile as i look at her and all of your coins too ...She truly brings joy to my imageimage
  • The Isabella in the OP is a perfect example of an NT coin.
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All i can say is i am happy with this Isabella and i just wanted to share with you the colors that makes her stand out. She might have been or not ...maybe so ...maybe not...but in the end She just makes me smile as i look at her and all of your coins too ...She truly brings joy to my imageimage >>











    Now, these are true words spoken out of a collectors mouth!!

    No better words describe how a true collectors feels.

    We do not know for absolute certainty that CB's Izzy is AT. In my opinion it is natural. I think that the
    image is just off and gives it the wrong appearance.

    As far as Teddy's SLQ...I also say............ how do we know for absolute certainty that this is AT?
    I will tell you that IMO it is natural!

    But what matters is the collector, these are not blatant AT'd coins...........they are questionable and in my book
    should not be damned for being questionable.

    I am in no way shape or form for the coin doctor at all.
    I am merely saying that coins as such should not be condemned so quicklyimage



    Stefanie
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  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    Well here's my opinion.....its Beeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuutiful!
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>All i can say is i am happy with this Isabella and i just wanted to share with you the colors that makes her stand out. She might have been or not ...maybe so ...maybe not...but in the end She just makes me smile as i look at her and all of your coins too ...She truly brings joy to my imageimage >>




    Absolutely it is the collector whose own feelings are those that matter first but only for himself.
    But when someone presents a coin on these boards to show and tell and look for opinions and responses then there is nothing wrong with those responders to give their opinions too, agreeing or disagreeing, that is what this forum is all about. It isn't the forum of yesing but of learning. As for lasvegasteddy, he stated with certainty that he knows his coin is at, i trusted that there was a good reason for him to state that and went with his statement of fact.
    Lets not be afraid to voice all opinions here and if one only responses that agree with oneself then maybe that individual shouldn't be posting threads to an open forum. Most want to know if a coin is at or nt, and after knowing if the poster still feels the same about the coin then that poster can really know that it is a keeper. I personally want to know the cold hard truth about my coins, no matter what.









    Now, these are true words spoken out of a collectors mouth!!

    No better words describe how a true collectors feels.

    We do not know for absolute certainty that CB's Izzy is AT. In my opinion it is natural. I think that the
    image is just off and gives it the wrong appearance.

    As far as Teddy's SLQ...I also say............ how do we know for absolute certainty that this is AT?
    I will tell you that IMO it is natural!

    But what matters is the collector, these are not blatant AT'd coins...........they are questionable and in my book
    should not be damned for being questionable.

    I am in no way shape or form for the coin doctor at all.
    I am merely saying that coins as such should not be condemned so quicklyimage



    Stefanie >>




    Absolutely it is the collector whose own feelings are those that matter first but only for himself.
    But when someone presents a coin on these boards to show and tell and look for opinions and responses then there is nothing wrong with those responders to give their opinions too, agreeing or disagreeing, that is what this forum is all about. It isn't the forum of yesing but of learning. As for lasvegasteddy, he stated with certainty that he knows his coin is at, i trusted that there was a good reason for him to state that and went with his statement of fact.
    Lets not be afraid to voice all opinions here and if one only responses that agree with oneself then maybe that individual shouldn't be posting threads to an open forum. Most want to know if a coin is at or nt, and after knowing if the poster still feels the same about the coin then that poster can really know that it is a keeper. I personally want to know the cold hard truth about my coins, no matter what. The truth is what matters most to me. >>


















    I could not agree with you more that this board is for voicing your opinion. That is a fact!.

    We do not learn anything by browning our lips!




    I guess what stood out to me and finally made me post was the statement you made

    "This is where our hobby turns to crap. a collector knowingly supporting crap behavior
    I can understand if you weren't aware and made an innocent mistake"

    was a little strong for me. So I felt the need to express my opinionimage








    Stefanie
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  • Does anybody think a coin doctor AT'd this Isabella 50C?

    I say "no."

    My guess is that a collector dipped and stored it with the hope that the coin would retone.

    The coin is not big money enough for a doctor.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with what coinsarefun said.................both coins look good to me!image
  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    This thread is kind of like the grading companys, some say AT, some say 64 and some say NT. They is not a true defined line. I like the OP's coin. Whether it is NT or AT

    I also think Realone has a point to not feed the doctors

    This coin came from a fellow forum member so the doctor was not seller.

    Lasvegasteddy- Should realone check to see that the tires are aired up on his next flight to see Laura on his lear jet??? LOL J/K

    But now that the pot is stirred on coin doctors i am asking Realone to name names. You hear the docs are out there BUT no one ever wants to type it for all the see. Lets put Realone in charge of flushing out the docs, now that would be a step in the right direction. Submit the top 10 realone, some of the unwashed masses want to know.
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  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭


    << <i>Does anybody think a coin doctor AT'd this Isabella 50C?

    I say "no."

    My guess is that a collector dipped and stored it with the hope that the coin would retone.

    The coin is not big money enough for a doctor. >>



    Maybe it was done by a premed student.
  • Sure looks AT to me.
    A nice looking coin though.

    In my experience, "crazy colors" equals
    AT at least 99% of the time.


    Regards, Steve K.
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